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Title: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: 64\/54Cadillacking on March 04, 2016, 11:00:06 PM
 Time and time again I ask myself, "Why".

Why do I own the cars I own, and where do I fit in this modern world of people that are into the latest and greatest goods and devices. It's not just old cars I like so much, but everything from old 1920's Victorian style homes to old chromed out appliances, and 60's-70's stereo receivers like Marantz.

Close friends of mine just don't understand the artistic flair and quality that many older things embedded. There was once a time when this country built amazing stuff, from architectural giants with pizzaz like the Empire state building and the Chrysler building, to cool cars and war machines. Today modern designs have gone sleek and boring. New condo towers and office buildings looks horribly generic and bland, they are no match to the old pre war buildings from the 1940's on down that are of gothic type with lots of detail and great shapes and depth. Same for new refrigerators, washer machines and stoves. Bland and more bland with cheap plastic components even on very expensive models. The old 40's-70's appliances were amazing styled and had a lot of quality built into them. I know a guy that still has his grandparents maytag washer machines from 1961, It still works too! I also know a auto shop with mostly old timers that work there, and they have a busted up rusty 1950 refrigerator that has never broke down and is still working to this day. The only problem is that they use a bungee cord to keep the door closed. So there's proof that a lot of older things were better made.

I'm not some old guy that is yearning for the past either, but a young man with an old soul perhaps. Cadillacs used to be cars for the young aspiring professional, now that title since the 90's goes to BMW unfortunately.

Call me crazy, but I love a huge car that floats down the road in complete comfort, looks cool doing so, and with doors and a hood that feels like it's carved out of huge piece of concrete.

Yesterday I parked my 64 next to a 15 CTS, and I just laughed to myself on how lame that Cad looks next to my 64. I mean no offense to the new Caddys out there, but they still look like toys, have no presence  and are a joke compared to Cads from the past regardless how fast and teched out they are.

So why do you love your old Caddy? What makes it so special and awesome to you?  :D
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Bobby B on March 05, 2016, 01:19:48 AM
I'm the only person in my household without a "Smart" Phone, so I hear you. Old School, and always will be. No time, use, or interest for a lot of stuff in today's world. Cars, Music, Life, Architecture, etc. not the same anymore. People have lowered their standards to what's acceptable. Everything now is leased or on credit, and most people are over-extended just to keep up with the Joneses, and the latest and greatest in our newly disposable society. We could go on and on about this, but the reason we do it is because it's something that just makes you feel good, brings back great memories of they way life used to be, and maybe a sense of accomplishment that there is something you own in today's world that is actually repairable, and requires some old fashioned thinking to do it. We hate them when they break or leave us stranded, but we love them even more when we figure out what went wrong and fix it. They feed our heads with a sense of accomplishment that no on else could give you. We should all be proud that we are keeping a bit of history alive. But unfortunately, the hobby is not for everyone, and that might actually be a good thing.  Let's face it, the "Thumbs-up" can really turn a bad day around……
                                                                                          Bobby
Title: Re: What makes you love your old Caddy so much ?
Post by: 64\/54Cadillacking on March 05, 2016, 04:03:04 AM
Quote from: Bobby B on March 05, 2016, 01:19:48 AM
I'm the only person in my household without a "Smart" Phone, so I hear you. Old School, and always will be. No time, use, or interest for a lot of stuff in today's world. Cars, Music, Life, Architecture, etc. not the same anymore. People have lowered their standards to what's acceptable. Everything now is leased or on credit, and most people are over-extended just to keep up with the Joneses, and the latest and greatest in our newly disposable society. We could go on and on about this, but the reason we do it is because it's something that just makes you feel good, brings back great memories of they way life used to be, and maybe a sense of accomplishment that there is something you own in today's world that is actually repairable, and requires some old fashioned thinking to do it. We hate them when they break or leave us stranded, but we love them even more when we figure out what went wrong and fix it. They feed our heads with a sense of accomplishment that no on else could give you. We should all be proud that we are keeping a bit of history alive. But unfortunately, the hobby is not for everyone, and that might actually be a good thing.  Let's face it, the "Thumbs-up" can really turn a bad day around……
                                                                                          Bobby

True that. Right on Brotha! 8)

Some new things are better, like HDTV's but there is a huge segment of our society that "thinks" something that is new is automatically better. Vacuum cleaners is another example of how crappy appliances have become. I still use my mother's old Kirby Heritage 2 Legend vacuum cleaner that she bought in the 80's which she gave to me. The damn thing just keeps ticking on and there hasn't been any problems with it. It sucks up dust and dirt so much better than the throw away plastic bagless vacs that usually break in a couple of years.

Back on topic.

The thrill and throwback feel that one experiences in a classic Cad is second to none especially when you're cruising to some oldies music, a little Motown like Smokey Robinson, the Temptations or Deano and Sinatra, that in itself takes you back in time and makes you realize how cool and pampered one felt in a Cadillac.  I appreciate and admire the craftsmanship that went into building these old tanks as well. The days when robots didn't exist, Cadillacs were built so precisely and finely that you'd think maybe a Cad or 2 might have slipped past the quality control checklist seeing how many they produced. By the 70's, it was a different time, an era which cost cutting measures were being implemented. But one things for certain, Cadillacs always had the best engineering and powertrain combo compared to the rest of the industry and that has always been Caddys strong suit.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Big Apple Caddy on March 05, 2016, 09:14:22 AM
Quote from: 64CaddieLacky on March 04, 2016, 11:00:06 PM
Why do I own the cars I own, and where do I fit in this modern world of people that are into the latest and greatest goods and devices. It's not just old cars I like so much, but everything from old 1920's Victorian style homes to old chromed out appliances, and 60's-70's stereo receivers like Marantz.

You're just an oddball.  Seriously though, your sentiments are not unique to today and have been repeated for ages although mostly by the older generations of any given time.  There have always been some who prefer classics, or items of the past, over new or contemporary things no matter what the decade.  Decades from now there will be people longing for the “good old days” of the 2010s.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Scot Minesinger on March 05, 2016, 09:46:25 AM
Have written this before, the reason I love my 1970 DeVille Convertible is that it is a rear drive American V-8 Automobile that seats 6.  I got into the hobby in 2005 when I wanted such a car and had to go back to 1970 to buy one.  True, GM had the 71-75 full size scissor top models, but after discovering I had to buy an older car, did the research and Cadillacs from 1968-1970 were the best option in terms of parts availability, cost, style, and of course that great 472 high compression engine.  Bought my red 1970 DVC at a local car show in November.  Over ten years later it still is a joy.

Now, I love it because it drives so nice, looks amazing, so comfortable, and a major eye catcher.  When you increase gas pedal pressure there is no annoying delay or reaction that is detectable when a modern car activates all 8 cylinders.  The climate control is way better than a modern one in terms of comfort and quiet.  Has everything a modern car interior is equipped with except cup holders and nav.  The roads are salted today or I would be driving it.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Jon S on March 05, 2016, 10:07:53 AM
I love my Caddy because I grew up with it.  My dad went from Oldsmobile 98's to a Buick Roadmaster to the Cadillac.  I was 12 when he brought the new car home.  It was his "Sunday car," so it never saw the rain and we had a 1959 Pontiac for everyday.  Whenever I drive the car, it brings back memories.

I have to say, I enjoy driving it and receiving thumbs up.  I DO NOT enjoy parking it and having non-collectors gauk at it or pass by closely with baby strollers.  Also, there is always someone there (an expert) to inform me that the car is not an original color as they have never seen a Versailles green one before.

I have five cars . . . three classics, a becoming classic 2004 Mustang GT and a Jeep Grand Cherokee.  I tend to use the Jeep quite a bit as I'm not afraid to park it and leave it as I do my chores.  Even my 1998 grand Cherokee with 246,000 miles looks like new and I park it far away from the crowds and walk to my destination.

Bottom line - it's wonderful to have a beautiful classic, but it's work to keep it that way.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: gary griffin on March 05, 2016, 11:17:07 AM
Whats not to love? My only real problem is undersized garage (4 bays and a lift) and bank account. Retirement would be boring without the challenges of restoring and maintaining my cars and motorcycles.

Every vehicle has a different appeal to me. One example is my 1957 60S. I got my drivers license in November of 1956, and went to a new car show and fell in love with the 57 Cadillac's, and finally I have one. My LaSalle is my Birth year car. The 42 just snuck up and fell in my lap sorta!  I need 1/3 of the house I now have and 3 times the garage.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: 59-in-pieces on March 05, 2016, 12:04:49 PM
IMHO - our classic Caddy's  ground us.
They act as our touchstones - center us - when things start going sideways.
They offer stability in an otherwise warp speed, me first,  disposable world.
I can remember my Dad - who had Cads for as long as I could recall - bringing home his new 1965, and remarking - When did Cadillac get so much plastic - bending to the relentless competition of the bottom line (no offense to the owners of 65's, gr8 cars).
I can recall about to get my drivers license in High School, and my Dad asking me if I wanted Mom's Cad - which was to be traded in for his new Cad.  The answer was quick, NO, those cars are for old people (yikes it's a wonder I wasn't knocked into next week calling my Dad old).
And, when did the Lemon Laws go into effect, as an indictment against automotive design and construction - but I don't recall they were focused on Cads.
Boy have things changed - and me too -
Just let me climb into my time capsule - drive away - and I'm a happy man.
Have fun,
Steve B.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: LenInLA on March 05, 2016, 11:55:02 PM
I think it's genetic. I like "old" things. My office is filled with late 18th century American furniture and various antiques. Makes me happy to look at them. If it were up to my wife we'd change everything every few years.

Old luxury cars don't drive as well as new luxury cars. I've driven the new caddies and they are better - in every respect - than my 76 Eldorado. So frankly I don't much agree with the folks who claim their 1970 caddy drives better than a 2016 model.

I think we like old cars because we like old houses; old appliances; old furniture. It's not a rational 'like', but just a very subjective - and somewhat uncommon - sentiment.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Caddyholic on March 06, 2016, 02:30:20 PM
Because it's not a chevy. Everybody owns a chevy.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: signart on March 07, 2016, 09:34:06 AM
How I roll.. and how I chill... pretty much the same reasons. Hard to impress me with anything new.

Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: cadillac ken on March 08, 2016, 10:14:08 AM
C. Asaro:  I couldn't agree more with all you said.  And even though I am an old guy now, I always gravitated to the old cars.  Even in High School when all my buddies lusted after the "new" muscle cars; '69 Mustangs, '70 Challengers and Cudas, Camaros, etc. I was driving my '36 Ford.  They didn't get it.

Why do I love my old Cadillacs?  The quality. The style and design of even the simple things like knobs and handles. The feeling like designers actually thought about every thing they put on paper.  But most of all the appreciation of the dedication of these engineers and designers to constantly push themselves to revamp and redesign a new look and new car every year without the use of computers. Working hand and hand and achieving a remarkable level of quality and fit with most everything working in perfect synchronicity.

For me being an artist at heart, I just could not resist the curves, style, and detail of the old stuff.  As I got older, my appreciation for these cars only grew. These are cars that could only be built in America.  Wide open roads, wide open spaces allowed for the huge wheelbases and stances of the classics from the 20's and 30's.  Folks often wonder aloud to me about the imports of the time: "why so small?".  They don't realize that most european countries have tight roads, limited parking spaces, and that some alleyways doubled as roads.  Not very conducive to the huge rolling works of art we were fortunate to have had here in America.

I guess the new generations have just grown accustom to a throw away existence.  Maybe they don't expect things to last or maybe the manufacturers realize today's consumer quickly tires of their purchases.  Maybe it's just a catch 22: Make cheap unimaginative products because you know the consumer is easily bored or is it the consumer is easily bored because you make cheap unimaginative products (?)

Maybe there's still hope.  As I have aged my tasted have changed some.  I have grown to appreciate antique furniture more than I used to.  When I was young I couldn't have cared less about a remarkable Art Deco bedroom set. Good on you for being a younger guy and being ahead of the curve!
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Big Apple Caddy on March 08, 2016, 11:27:19 AM
Regarding today's "throw away" society, cars on average are lasting longer in recent decades than decades past.  Thanks to longer/better warranties, less rust issues, etc., it is much more common to see 10+ year old vehicles on the road as daily drivers today than it was decades ago.   Cars used to be parked/junked much more quickly.  The average age of cars on the road today is over 11 years but it was less than half that 50+ years ago.  The car market used to be much more "throw away" than it is today.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: cadillac ken on March 08, 2016, 12:24:04 PM
... except for the knobs that fall off, the handles that break, the A/C system failures, the plastic (instead of bronze) bushings that rapidly deteriorate and fall apart. The plastic gears that strip, Leather that is worn out at less than 10K miles, yes, I agree.  Today's cars are less rusty and run better longer.

I own a very expensive import that has had the shifter bushings replaced, the shift rod fail (with the replacement bushing swedged on so instead of replacing the bushings you have to replace the entire rod at $180). The plastic gear in the odometer has failed twice (send off and have repaired-- three weeks without a speedo). And am on my 3rd, yes, 3rd A/C evaporator due to poor engineering which results in leaks (aluminum and copper combo-- how that works I couldn't tell you).  Oh and had to replace an aluminum A/C line because the manufacturer didn't get the concept of Cathodic reaction (steel clamp with no rubber insulator that would have cost all of about .05.)

I admit today's cars "last longer" but the build quality of the little things will drive you nuts if you do decide to keep a car for any length of time.  And of course the manufacturers are counting on the fact that you won't.

Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: D.Yaros on March 08, 2016, 02:06:23 PM
Quote from: Big Apple Caddy on March 08, 2016, 11:27:19 AM
Regarding today's "throw away" society, cars on average are lasting longer in recent decades than decades past.  Thanks to longer/better warranties, less rust issues, etc., it is much more common to see 10+ year old vehicles on the road as daily drivers today than it was decades ago.   Cars used to be parked/junked much more quickly.  The average age of cars on the road today is over 11 years but it was less than half that 50+ years ago.  The car market used to be much more "throw away" than it is today.

Back in the 50's, once/if a car racked up 50K on the odometer it was time to start looking for a replacement vehicle!
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Caddyholic on March 08, 2016, 04:11:34 PM
Ken Don't buy imports.

GM perfected plan obsolesces. (Cadillac included) It was Al Sloans Matra.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Joe V on March 08, 2016, 09:44:10 PM
A love of old cars was passed down and took hold many many years ago.  But for me, my Cadillac has history, life lessons, and memories that will last a life time.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Scot Minesinger on March 08, 2016, 11:07:06 PM
I'm with Caddyholic, don't buy imports.  My 2006 Dodge Charger hemi was purchased 09/2005 and it just turned over 102k miles.  It looks and drives brand new, and my teenage kids put 40k of that mileage on it.  Once I bought my 1985 Caprice w/305 V-8 used in 1987 every American car has lasted as long as I wanted to drive and maintain it.  The 1978 Olds Delta 88 before the Caprice exemplified GM bad quality - parts failed frequently, knobs broke, just terrible build quality. 

Usually I drive them to 200k miles or ten years.  Now I work at home and so cars last longer.

Seriously any car now has so much computer and high tech stuff, not sure I would buy one without some extended dealer warranty.

My 1970 Cadillacs need more attention.  They always seem to need a little something.  They are more work than the newer cars.  But they are worth it.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: 64\/54Cadillacking on March 08, 2016, 11:09:00 PM
I think if a person simply maintained an old 40's-70's Cadillac and kept it in tip top shape, I don't think there was any reason why they couldn't last way over 100,000 miles. Cadillac engineering was the best of the best at the time.

Sure there's more smaller things to fail on an old car, or a vacuum hose to leak, but generally Cadillacs back then were overbuilt. In my experience my 64 has held up amazingly well for how old it is.

Zero cracks on the dash, door panels that are in pristine condition, all the chrome is still bright and shiny with no pitting. Steering wheel is also in great shape. Pretty much the entire interior is in very nice shape besides for some cracks on the driver's seat (typical), and slight wear on the passenger's side, but everything is original and for it's age, I am very surprised by the quality of the fit and finish and the longevity of the materials used during these years. And like some have mentioned already that these old Caddys were built by craftsman with real skills, no robotics to make sure every line was even, or measurements were exact.

Nothing cheap or plastic to break or fall off either. I honestly believe Cadillacs of the 50's-70's were designed to last a longer time than what many people expected.

It's just like that little old lady that still drives her 57 Chevy Bel Air that was purchased new. It's her daily driver and should wouldn't drive anything else.

Check out the vid!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwcRG2aEi3s
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Rich S on March 09, 2016, 10:50:32 AM
Thanks, C. Asaro, great video! What a lady and what a car!  8)
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Big Apple Caddy on March 09, 2016, 01:08:07 PM
Quote from: cadillac ken on March 08, 2016, 12:24:04 PM
... except for the knobs that fall off, the handles that break, the A/C system failures, the plastic (instead of bronze) bushings that rapidly deteriorate and fall apart.

Things like what you describe may happen with some cars but, again, better average reliability and durability, longer/better warranties, etc. have kept cars on the road much longer and with many more miles than decades ago.   Not necessarily with the same owner (that 11 year old car may be on its second, third or more owner) but longer as viable daily drivers.  Cars on average were "disposed of" at much faster rates in the past.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Big Apple Caddy on March 09, 2016, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: 64CaddieLacky on March 08, 2016, 11:09:00 PM
I think if a person simply maintained an old 40's-70's Cadillac and kept it in tip top shape, I don't think there was any reason why they couldn't last way over 100,000 miles. Cadillac engineering was the best of the best at the time.

Perhaps but the reality was a bit different.  Growing up in the 1970s/80s I recall plenty of ads for relatively new (5-10 years old or older), relatively low mileage Cadillacs being offered as "back lot specials", "mechanic's specials", etc.   Old archived newspapers from those decades and especially before showed a lot of the same.  Cars, including Cadillacs, whether it was due to rust or mechanical issues typically didn't last as long and were parked or junked at a faster rater than modern cars today.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: cadillacmike68 on March 15, 2016, 11:52:20 PM
I have an article from Colleectible Automobile Oct 2003 on the 1967-70 Cadillacs.

It starts off with the following:

1967-70 Cadillac: Riding the Crest of success.

The lead in:
Cadillac rode out the latter years of the sixties with a strikingly fresh and clean design, a powerful new engine (the 472 V8) and a raft of added comfort and safety features.

It then reads:

The Cadillacs of 1967 through 1970 were some of the most luxurious, most powerful, and best equipped cars ever manufactured.

That's still true even when compared to modern cars.

Look what was available as either standard or optional in 1967-70 Cadillacs:

Automatic Climate Control Heating and Air conditioning. Introduced in1964, you just set a temperature and the car delivers the right amount of air at the right temperature and in the right locations to keep the car at your desired set temperature. It also always diverted a small amount of air to the windshield at all times to prevent fogging and would not "freeze" you in cold weather because it has a built in delay in cold weather until the coolant temp reached 100F. Even today, air conditioning is an option and many do not offer automatic temp control.

Tilt and Telescoping steering wheel. many modern so called  "tilts" are no more than a small shift.

Power windows, power vent windows (4 in the Fleetwood 60s), door locks antenna, trunk release, trunk pull-down. The windows have a lock-out switch and a bypass switch for use with the car shut off (there is no need to have the car on to raise the windows).

Interior courtesy lights up to 8 depending on the model, plus a trunk light, glove box light, map light, rear seat reading lamps (on Fleetwoods).

Cruise Control
Twilight Sentinel automatic headlights with a variable shutoff delay
Guidematic auto high-lo beam dimmer
Automatic Level Control
Auto parking brake pull-off, the brake releases as soon as the car is put in any gear with the engine running.
Rear window De-fogger
Cornering lights
Dual zone air conditioning (Fleetwood 75s only)
Three speed wipers with a 4 jet washer
8 way power seat (dual split power in 1970 Fleetwoods)
Heated front seats
Front and rear center armrests
Deep cut pile carpeting
3 or 4 ash trays with lighters in each one
Power sunroof (or a power top on the convertible)
Electric clock (too bad mine keep going belly up)
Locking glove box
Dual outside rear view mirrors (1968 -70)
Visor vanity mirror
Fully carpeted / finished trunk
Insulated hood lining
Variable ratio power steering
Disc front brakes (1968 and later) with a dual cylinder power boosted master cylinder
Radios with a signal seeking tuner
Rear seat fold down footrests (Fleetwood Brougham only)

More paint, trim color, and fabric combinations than any 3 or 4 modern cars put together.

Very few EPA regs (none in 1967 and only a couple silly underhood contraptions in the next 3 years).

Little, if no outside plastic trim.



Oh yeah, and plenty of room for 6 adults.

Sure you can get a new car with a 15 speaker surround system, navigation system integrated bluetooth, heads up display, adaptive cruise control, etc. My STS has that and more, but it's cramped with 5 and really won't fit 5 adults, and it doesn't have some features that GM removed over the years like cornering lights, parking brake pull-off, and trunk pull-down.

And it doesn't have the grace and elegance of the 67-70 model years.

Sure they require you to pay attention to them to keep them running right, but it's not hard, and the reward you get while driving one is substantial.

The power of the 1968-70 Cadillac is unbelievable.

I have an original April 1968 volume of Consumer Reports where they tested and reviewed the 1968 sedan deVille. The wrote that the Cadillac was "the fastest accelerating car they had ever tested" and that "only the Toronado and Corvette specialty cars had better acceleration".

They probably didn't test any hopped up GTOs Camaros or Mopars,  but in reality only a very small percentage of the so-called muscle cars were sold with the really powerful engine options. Cadillacs actually had more power than many muscle cars sold back then, and certainly had more torque than all of them.

That said, I do like the 1993-1996 Fleetwoods. These were the last of the full size RWDs and the level of interior comfort and quietness is unsurpassed.  Interestingly, these two 4 yer periods share the same trait of having a new much more powerful engine in the 2nd through 4th year of the period.  In the 60s it was the V8 472 introduced in 1968 and the 1990s featured the LT1 V8 in the 1994-96s making the latter three years more desirable in both groups.

The ride these cars give is special, the looks, striking and they have an air of sophistication, grace and elegance that no modern car can ever hope to capture.

That's why I like them and enjoy owning and driving them.









Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Scot Minesinger on March 16, 2016, 09:13:39 AM
Mike,

I wish you could be a little more positive on the virtues of the 1967 through 1970 Cadillacs - just kidding obviously.  Could not agree with what you wrote more.  In many ways my 970 Cadillacs are superior to modern cars.  I bought gas for $1.47 per gallon the other day, filling up my tank for $19.13 in the Crown Vic PI.  Now that prices are that low, gas mileage is not much of a factor.  I would certainly rather drive one of my 1970 Cadillacs than a daily driver modern car.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: "Cadillac Kid" Greg Surfas 15364 on March 16, 2016, 10:34:55 AM
Scott,
Just try and find gas under $1.80 (87 Octane) in your area now.  Gasoline prices have never been a real concern of REAL Cadillac aficionados. It is sort of like chiseling on the price of hay to feed a Thoroughbred race horse.  If you don't feel the cost of the ride is worth it, get off the ride.
Greg Surfas
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Big Apple Caddy on March 16, 2016, 11:32:31 AM
Quote from: cadillacmike68 on March 15, 2016, 11:52:20 PM
Sure you can get a new car with a 15 speaker surround system, navigation system integrated bluetooth, heads up display, adaptive cruise control, etc. My STS has that and more, but it's cramped with 5 and really won't fit 5 adults, and it doesn't have some features that GM removed over the years like cornering lights, parking brake pull-off, and trunk pull-down.
The 2009 STS was the midsize Cadillac.   The DTS was the fullsize that year and offered more interior passenger volume than the DeVille/Fleetwood from 30+ years earlier despite being over a foot shorter in exterior length.



Quote from: cadillacmike68 on March 15, 2016, 11:52:20 PM
The power of the 1968-70 Cadillac is unbelievable.

I have an original April 1968 volume of Consumer Reports where they tested and reviewed the 1968 sedan deVille. The wrote that the Cadillac was "the fastest accelerating car they had ever tested" and that "only the Toronado and Corvette specialty cars had better acceleration".

They probably didn't test any hopped up GTOs Camaros or Mopars,  but in reality only a very small percentage of the so-called muscle cars were sold with the really powerful engine options. Cadillacs actually had more power than many muscle cars sold back then, and certainly had more torque than all of them.
No doubt good for the time but still only average or even slow by modern (especially sports/performance car) standards.

As I posted earlier, there has always been a preference by some for classics or items from the past over new/contemporary no matter what the decade.  It's why hobbies dealing with classic and antique items have long existed and will long continue to exist.  People back in the 1960s and 1970s preferred classics of that time over the new/modern cars just as decades from now there will be people preferring the classic 2010s over modern cars of that future era.

Of course, much of the preferences are subjective and/or assessed through rose-colored glasses.  It's about personally feelings and not necessarily a matter of being "right" or "wrong."
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Scot Minesinger on March 16, 2016, 08:14:38 PM
Greg,

I bought this gas just last week at exit 150 on rt 81 in Virginia.  Seemed unusual at the time.

Was just saying often the objection to large cars is gas mileage and now it should not be.  The price of gas to me has never mattered because it is a small part of the ownership cost operating nice cars.  In fact one of the good things back a decade ago when it was $4/gallon was less traffic, which is a problem in DC suburbs.  Never have I not driven my car due to the cost of gas.

I agree with you.  The cost of the ride is worth it with these Cadillacs we all enjoy so much.

Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: 64\/54Cadillacking on March 17, 2016, 06:13:59 AM
Just got 2 new WW tires for my 64, now it's in the shop getting an alignment. The love and attention I give to my cars is more than I give to my family sometimes!!  ;D

I honestly wouldn't know what else to do with my free time if it wasn't for my cars, and now that gas is reasonable priced, I tend to drive my Cad more often. But even so, I've spoiled myself too much driving the 64 recently with the lower gas prices, so I'm going to cut back a little and start taking it to local car shows and functions that are coming up this spring and summer.

I also get tired of people constantly asking me if I will sell the car, or that they're interested in "buying it" right then and there. I enjoy the courteous exchanges with strangers, but it does start to get annoying.

Do you guys drive your oldie Cads all the time, or only on weekends, or special occasions?
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: LenInLA on March 17, 2016, 08:52:25 AM
I've been driving my 1976 Eldorado 2-3 times a week on errands and family visits. My insurance policy limits me to 2000 miles a year - which is pretty much sufficient. I anticipate hitting 1500 miles.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: "Cadillac Kid" Greg Surfas 15364 on March 17, 2016, 11:50:55 AM
My "cure" for people that have watched too many "car" shows when they ask "would you consider selling it?" is
to say yes, and suggest the price that i would actually sell the car at.  Usually stops right there.
Greg Surfas
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Scot Minesinger on March 17, 2016, 05:45:41 PM
Weather is nice now and sure enjoying driving the 1970 Cadillacs.  When people ask to buy my Cadillac, it is taken as a compliment, and I just say no and that is the end of that.  Further, I tell them that the least expensive one is the nicest they can afford and not to buy one site unseen.  Anyone who wants to buy your car is complimenting your good judgment and taste - take it as a positive about you.  This is another thing I love about my Cadillac - every one wants it.  No one ever asked to buy one of my daily drivers except my 1995 RWD Fleetwood back in the late 1990's after they stopped making them.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Rich S on March 17, 2016, 11:36:55 PM
I've had people follow me places to ask whether I would sell my old Cadillac! I've also been asked while at red lights, too! Although I have typically said, "Not for sale!" I guess I should be quick to ask, "How much?" Maybe someone will offer an exorbitant amount?

This discussion reminds me, that in the late '90's, I was dining at a city club and one of the other members I did not know, but recognized from her "older" Cadillac was dining there. I had observed her '71 Fleetwood Brougham (triple Sable Black with Opera Lamps and Lamp Monitors and in perfect condition) for many years and on many occasions--the woman was in her eighties--and I asked my friend the hostess, "Who is the lady dining over there [describing her]?" I was told her name, and an hour or so later, the hostess returned to me and said, "I told 'Mrs. T' that she had a young gentleman admirer over here who had asked her name, since he says he really likes your car! 'Mrs. T' said to tell you, 'You'll have to get in line! Every time I buy gas, someone wants to buy my car!'" I thought she was sharp to give me that answer. As I left, we spoke, and she said the car was stored in the winters when she headed to Florida, and it had never been used in bad weather. Around a year or two later, I read an obituary for her that said she had moved to the mid-west to an Assisted Living facility to be near her relatives (she had no children) as her health had declined. I hope one of them got the car and preserved it, as I no longer saw it anywhere. It was a true "survivor" Black Beauty.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: russ austin on March 18, 2016, 11:34:11 AM
I love my Cad because I made great memories in my 63 at the age of 17.  I dont own the same exact car, but I do own the same exact year and model.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: cadillacmike68 on March 25, 2016, 12:07:26 AM
Quote from: Big Apple Caddy on March 16, 2016, 11:32:31 AM
The 2009 STS was the midsize Cadillac.   The DTS was the fullsize that year and offered more interior passenger volume than the DeVille/Fleetwood from 30+ years earlier despite being over a foot shorter in exterior length.


No doubt good for the time but still only average or even slow by modern (especially sports/performance car) standards.

As I posted earlier, there has always been a preference by some for classics or items from the past over new/contemporary no matter what the decade.  It's why hobbies dealing with classic and antique items have long existed and will long continue to exist.  People back in the 1960s and 1970s preferred classics of that time over the new/modern cars just as decades from now there will be people preferring the classic 2010s over modern cars of that future era.

Of course, much of the preferences are subjective and/or assessed through rose-colored glasses.  It's about personally feelings and not necessarily a matter of being "right" or "wrong."

But the DTS of 2006-12 had a sideways mounted FWD engine that was throttled back to 275HP while my STS is a proper RWD car with nearly 50HP more and more than 50 ft-lbs more torque.  With the factory Y rated tires and no computer limited governor, it literally flies.

The DTS may have more back seat legroom than a 1968 DVC (the DVC has a slightly forward rear seat compared to coupes or sedans), but there is NO WAY that it has more front seat legroom. I've been in them. and it DOESN'T have more rear seat leg room than the Fleetwoods from 1965-1976 either.


Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Bill Caddyshack on March 25, 2016, 08:55:57 AM
EVERYTHING! Of course!

We love a great deal about our Caddy. Love the lines. It is a classic work of art! Since we can only know the last owner, but wondering about previous owners. Their life styles. Did someone wash it in their driveway and make the neighbors jealous? Since it was a high end car, 1960 Eldorado, did it live at a mansion?

Sitting behind the steering wheel, looking through a 56 year old view, where did it go? Who drove it?

As to us, it is always a great treat to drive it. Super comfortable, yet very powerful, when the three two barrel carburetors kick in with a roar!

People always smiling. Pictures. Videos (even on the expressway). Thumbs up, everywhere. Always surprised that people say that their parents had one, but they usually can't remember if it was a Cadillac or something else, maybe a different car, maybe it was a station wagon ... But they loved their memories about bygone areas.

Every time we are parked, people come over and ask to buy it or they ask how long I had it? Or how long I had it? Did I restore it?

Seems so banal to reply I bought it in June 2015, so I tell them, with a wink, that when my parents married they got it as a wedding present from my paternal grandfather. That I was actually conceived in the back seat! Look at all the room! I went with them everywhere when they drove and that they gave it to me on my sixteenth birthday when I got my driver's license. I would NEVER sell it!

And that is the truth. Not For Sale. 8)
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Big Apple Caddy on March 25, 2016, 09:07:58 AM
Quote from: cadillacmike68 on March 25, 2016, 12:07:26 AM
The DTS may have more back seat legroom than a 1968 DVC (the DVC has a slightly forward rear seat compared to coupes or sedans), but there is NO WAY that it has more front seat legroom.

I was speaking overall passenger volume and more specifically 2009 (i.e. 2006-11) vs. 1979 (i.e. 1977-79) as just one example BUT since you brought up front legroom for 1968 models.......

Front legroom for 1968 models
Sedan DeVille = 41.2”
Coupe DeVille = 41.2”
DeVille Convertible = 40.9”
Fleetwood Brougham/Sixty Special = 42.1”
Fleetwood Seventy-Five = 40.9”
Fleetwood Seventy-Five Limousine = 40.3”

Front legroom for 2006-2011 DTS = 42.5”
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Scot Minesinger on March 25, 2016, 12:12:25 PM
It really is horrifically unfair to the DTS to be compared to 1968 Cadillac.  The 1968 Cadillac is far superior from a dimensional perspective, and of course many others.  Obviously the rear leg room is compromised when a DTS makes 42.5" of legroom in front (just a longer power seat track).  If the DTS was rear drive, there probably would be one in my garage right now.  I think given the choice most people reading this forum would rather own a 1968 Cadillac in top condition over a DTS in great condition.

Back on topic, one of the reasons we all enjoy our Cadillacs is they offer so many advantages that new cars lack.  The older Cadillacs that offer fewer advantages over newer cars are not very collectible.  As an example a 4.1 powered Cadillac is generally less collectable than a 331/365/390/429/472/500/425 powered Cadillac because the 331/365/390/429/472/500/425 Cadillacs are large, amazing looking, comfortable, great drivers, and powerful.  The cool factor for any 1960's or older Cadillac trumps newer cars. 
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Big Apple Caddy on March 25, 2016, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: Scot Minesinger on March 25, 2016, 12:12:25 PM
I think given the choice most people reading this forum would rather own a 1968 Cadillac in top condition over a DTS in great condition.
Given that this is a classic Cadillac/LaSalle focused forum, that may be true at least as far as preferring a classic (not necessarily a '68) over newer.   In the general population, the opposite would be much more the case.   Not that any of this really matters.   


Quote from: Scot Minesinger on March 25, 2016, 12:12:25 PM
Back on topic, one of the reasons we all enjoy our Cadillacs is they offer so many advantages that new cars lack.  The older Cadillacs that offer fewer advantages over newer cars are not very collectible.  As an example a 4.1 powered Cadillac is generally less collectable than a 331/365/390/429/472/500/425 powered Cadillac because the 331/365/390/429/472/500/425 Cadillacs are large, amazing looking, comfortable, great drivers, and powerful.  The cool factor for any 1960's or older Cadillac trumps newer cars.
Preferring new vs. old or old vs. new is largely a subjective thing and not necessarily a matter of being right or wrong.  It's too bad more can't simply appreciate classics (of all ages!) for what they are and new(er) cars for what they are instead of trying so much to critically compare the two.  When it comes to subjective things (which can be a big part of the appreciation/enjoyment of cars), it's really unfair to say any year/decade/era of Cadillac or cars in general is best, superior or trumps another.  Everyone has their own opinions and preferences.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: cadillacmike68 on March 29, 2016, 12:39:38 AM
Someone was drunk with the power seat switch when they took those measurements. The front seat in EVERY RWD 1968 Cadillac has the same dimensions except the Fleetwood 75 which were a bit taller and had a little more headroom. I've owned and driven 1968, 69 and 70m Cadillacs and aside from options and seat material (and seat backs) they are virtually the same up front. This includes Fleetwood 75 cars.

Quote from: Big Apple Caddy on March 25, 2016, 09:07:58 AM
I was speaking overall passenger volume and more specifically 2009 (i.e. 2006-11) vs. 1979 (i.e. 1977-79) as just one example BUT since you brought up front legroom for 1968 models.......

Front legroom for 1968 models
Sedan DeVille = 41.2”
Coupe DeVille = 41.2”
DeVille Convertible = 40.9”
Fleetwood Brougham/Sixty Special = 42.1”
Fleetwood Seventy-Five = 40.9”
Fleetwood Seventy-Five Limousine = 40.3”

Front legroom for 2006-2011 DTS = 42.5”
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: 64\/54Cadillacking on March 29, 2016, 07:34:21 AM
I honestly find it hard to believe certain specs that automakers claim sometimes when it comes to interior dimensions.

For instance my 94 Fleetwood Bro legroom specs seem untrue. The specs are

Front legroom 42.5 inches
Rear legroom  43.9 inches

Now there is no way that the rear seat legroom is anywhere near close to being 44 inches, because just sitting back there, the legroom seems tight especially with the seat all the way back, or even half way back. The dimensions can't be accurate.

But in my 64, the rear seat legroom seems much greater even though the specs are a good 2-3 inches less than the 94 Fleet.

And in my 78 Lincoln Continental, the specs are like 42 inches of rear seat legroom, but that car triumphs both my 94 and my 64 Cadillacs in rear seat leg and knee room, it's like sitting in a mini limo in that car plus the shoulder room seems and feels much greater than in my Cadillacs.

I guess the absolute best part of owning my 64 is it's quality of materials, fit and finish, and chrome trim everywhere. I am really big on quality and how a car is built, because if you'r buying a luxury car, you want to make sure that the company didn't cheapen out on anything, and I believe Cadillacs up to 65 were the pinnacle and the last of what Cadillac truly strived for when it built it's cars before the bean counters and cost cutting measures took effect the years that came after.  Not to take away the greatness of the later Cadillacs, because they are all great cars in their own right, and looked very sharp as well

But I can't stand cheap plastic in cars, but I understand the use of it. We can't escape it either especially in modern cars, including most of today's luxury cars, so this another reason why I so love my 64 to death, it's oozes class, and a sense of a well built machine, nothing cheap inside that I can find. Everytime the car is parked somewhere and I see someone checking it out, everyone that sees it usually makes the same exact comments to me.

"Wow look at all that beautiful chrome and tail fins, Man.....now THAT'S a REAL Cadillac!"  8) :D

I guarantee you, nobody is going to walk up to the owner of a DTS or an STS, or a CTS and say the same thing.

Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Big Apple Caddy on March 29, 2016, 08:53:58 AM
Quote from: cadillacmike68 on March 29, 2016, 12:39:38 AM
Someone was drunk with the power seat switch when they took those measurements. The front seat in EVERY RWD 1968 Cadillac has the same dimensions except the Fleetwood 75 which were a bit taller and had a little more headroom. I've owned and driven 1968, 69 and 70m Cadillacs and aside from options and seat material (and seat backs) they are virtually the same up front. This includes Fleetwood 75 cars.

1968 measurements are according to 1968 Cadillac Data Book, each listed has less front legroom than the 2006-2011 DTS.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Big Apple Caddy on March 29, 2016, 08:56:39 AM
Quote from: 64CaddieLacky on March 29, 2016, 07:34:21 AM
I honestly find it hard to believe certain specs that automakers claim sometimes when it comes to interior dimensions.

Interior measurements are supposed to be based on guidelines provided by SAE International, for example:

All Interior Dimensions are defined with an adjustable front seat in its rearmost normal driving position, resulting in the Design H-Point being positioned at the Seating Reference Point (SgRP) position. All other adjustable features, such as an adjustable steering wheel and adjustable seat height, a seatback that adjusts independently from the Seat Cushion, power 4-way or 6-way seats, etc., shall be positioned in their normal driving position as specified by the manufacturer. Steering wheel shall be positioned with from the wheels in straight-ahead position.

All interior dimensions for designated seated positions are defined on the Y-Plane centerline of the occupant, unless otherwise defined in the dimensions definition. The H-Point machine and two-dimensional drafting template specified in SAE J826 shall use the 95th percentile leg segments.

For heavy-duty trucks, suspension seats will be positioned as specified by the vehicle manufacturer in the normal driving position with any fore and aft isolator locked out.

MAXIMUM LEG ROOM-ACCELERATORâ€"The dimension measured along a line from the Ankle Pivot Center to the Rearmost Design H-Point (see 14.1) plus 254 mm (10 in) measured with the right foot on the Undepressed Accelerator Pedal defined from the SgRP location. The Rearmost Highest or Rearmost Lowest Design H-Point location, or any point in between, may be used if a larger value is obtained. This assumes that the seat is not rotated and design Cushion Angle is maintained. For vehicles with SgRP to heel (H30) greater than 405 mm, the accelerator pedal may be depressed as specified by the manufacturer. If the accelerator is depressed, the manufacturer shall place foot flat on pedal and note the depression of the pedal.

EFFECTIVE SGRP LEG ROOM-ACCELERATORâ€"The dimension measured along a line from the Ankle Pivot Center to the SgRP-front plus 254 mm (10 in) measured with right foot on the Undepressed Accelerator Pedal. For vehicles with SgRP to heel (H30) greater than 405 mm, the accelerator pedal may be depressed as specified by the manufacturer. If the accelerator is depressed, the manufacturer shall place foot flat on pedal and note the depression of the pedal.

EFFECTIVE SGRP LEG ROOM-SECONDâ€"The dimension measured along a line from the Ankle Pivot Center to the SgRP-second plus 254 mm (10 in). The foot may be placed on the floor pan with the centerline of the leg segment up to 127 mm either side of the Y plane occupant centerline.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: cadillacmike68 on March 29, 2016, 05:14:58 PM
Quote from: Big Apple Caddy on March 29, 2016, 08:53:58 AM
1968 measurements are according to 1968 Cadillac Data Book, each listed has less front legroom than the 2006-2011 DTS.

The fact still remains that all the Calais and DeVilles have identical wheelbases, and the coupes and convertibles have the same size doors. Maybe the mounting holes in the body are in slightly different places. 

Plus,  and this is significant, the newer cars have a Much longer seat travel. My 1996 goes so far back that I could not hope to reach the pedals and I'm not short.

On rear leg foot, they newer cars count open area under the front seats.  This was decidedly not necessary in 60s and 70s 133" wb Fleetwood Broughams, because they were so huge in the back seat, they had footrests back there!

Cool, so the new cars with the long throw travel measure front legroom with the seat all the way back. I'll bet they measure rear leg room with the front seat all the way forward.  :P

The full size FWDs do have a nice expansive front leg room I remember my LeSabre had the same space ad the DeVilles back in 1992, but that's because they are FWD and the floor could be kept wider. Heck, even 1990s - early 2000s Eldorados & Sevilles have impressive front leg room.

But we are getting off the topic here.

Quote from: 64CaddieLacky on March 29, 2016, 07:34:21 AM
I honestly find it hard to believe certain specs that automakers claim sometimes when it comes to interior dimensions.

For instance my 94 Fleetwood Bro legroom specs seem untrue. The specs are

Front legroom 42.5 inches
Rear legroom  43.9 inches

Now there is no way that the rear seat legroom is anywhere near close to being 44 inches, because just sitting back there, the legroom seems tight especially with the seat all the way back, or even half way back. The dimensions can't be accurate.

But in my 64, the rear seat legroom seems much greater even though the specs are a good 2-3 inches less than the 94 Fleet.

And in my 78 Lincoln Continental, the specs are like 42 inches of rear seat legroom, but that car triumphs both my 94 and my 64 Cadillacs in rear seat leg and knee room, it's like sitting in a mini limo in that car plus the shoulder room seems and feels much greater than in my Cadillacs.

I guess the absolute best part of owning my 64 is it's quality of materials, fit and finish, and chrome trim everywhere. I am really big on quality and how a car is built, because if you'r buying a luxury car, you want to make sure that the company didn't cheapen out on anything, and I believe Cadillacs up to 65 were the pinnacle and the last of what Cadillac truly strived for when it built it's cars before the bean counters and cost cutting measures took effect the years that came after.  Not to take away the greatness of the later Cadillacs, because they are all great cars in their own right, and looked very sharp as well

But I can't stand cheap plastic in cars, but I understand the use of it. We can't escape it either especially in modern cars, including most of today's luxury cars, so this another reason why I so love my 64 to death, it's oozes class, and a sense of a well built machine, nothing cheap inside that I can find. Everytime the car is parked somewhere and I see someone checking it out, everyone that sees it usually makes the same exact comments to me.

"Wow look at all that beautiful chrome and tail fins, Man.....now THAT'S a REAL Cadillac!"  8) :D

I guarantee you, nobody is going to walk up to the owner of a DTS or an STS, or a CTS and say the same thing.

I partly agree with you 64. however, I don't think the quality started decreasing until 1971 or 72.  And the late 60s cars have a much better engine.  The materials in my 1968, and the 69 & 70s that I had when I was younger are top quality. Besides, the use of (durable) plastic lamp sockets (with their own ground wires!) means you don't have to remove half the rear bumper to change a tail light like you have to do in a 65. even a side marker or cornering light requires a lot of disassembly to change out.

Lincoln didn't down size until 1979, so a 77 or 78 Lincoln was the same as the 76 and earlier Cadillacs and those Lincoln sedans were big.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Scot Minesinger on March 29, 2016, 09:58:53 PM
Mike,

79 was the last year of the Large Lincoln (same as 76), but 78 was the last year of the 460 engine in a car (still in trucks), the 79 had a 400 engine.  My friend's Dad in high school bought one because it was the last year, very underpowered.  My 1968 Thunderbird would eat it alive on the open road, well on any road as it handled and stopped better too.


All,

I think the quality of cars started to drop off quickly in 1975, as I notice fit and finish, wiring and the like really is not amazing in a 1975 Cadillac compared to a 74. I think innovation really reduced in mid 1960's, as not much new great ideas emerged much after 1970 (first year of anti-lock brakes):

1960 Cadillac compared to a 1970, better brakes, better engine, better transmission, climate control, tilt wheel, twilight sentinel, and etc.  Now the 1960 is cooler looking though.  Don't get me wrong the 1960 is quite nice and desirable.  Look at the 1980 Cadillac as compared to the 1970, the 1970 is superior or equal technologically.  I wrote this just to show that between 1960 and 1970 there were many improvements, whereas there were not between 1970 and 1980 comparatively.

Drove my 1970 Cadillac today, and it is so fun to have all these people admire it and ask questions - one of my favorite things about the Cadillacs!
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: 64\/54Cadillacking on March 30, 2016, 01:50:01 AM
Quote from: Scot Minesinger on March 29, 2016, 09:58:53 PM
Mike,

79 was the last year of the Large Lincoln (same as 76), but 78 was the last year of the 460 engine in a car (still in trucks), the 79 had a 400 engine.  My friend's Dad in high school bought one because it was the last year, very underpowered.  My 1968 Thunderbird would eat it alive on the open road, well on any road as it handled and stopped better too.


All,

I think the quality of cars started to drop off quickly in 1975, as I notice fit and finish, wiring and the like really is not amazing in a 1975 Cadillac compared to a 74. I think innovation really reduced in mid 1960's, as not much new great ideas emerged much after 1970 (first year of anti-lock brakes):

1960 Cadillac compared to a 1970, better brakes, better engine, better transmission, climate control, tilt wheel, twilight sentinel, and etc.  Now the 1960 is cooler looking though.  Don't get me wrong the 1960 is quite nice and desirable.  Look at the 1980 Cadillac as compared to the 1970, the 1970 is superior or equal technologically.  I wrote this just to show that between 1960 and 1970 there were many improvements, whereas there were not between 1970 and 1980 comparatively.

Drove my 1970 Cadillac today, and it is so fun to have all these people admire it and ask questions - one of my favorite things about the Cadillacs!

You know Scott, I almost came close to buying a Tan 69 Sedan Deville while I had my 72 Cad many many years ago. It was in top notch shape, and very clean as well. I clearly remember going for a test drive and feeling a very big difference in not only the solidarity, but the extra power of the pre-smog 472, the build quality and even the ride quality was much better in the 69, than my 72 was. You hardly felt any bumps in that car. The 69's and 70 are also one of my favorite Cadillacs.

The huge shark like grill, tall massive hood, and the fender lines really make them pretty bad ass looking! But yeah by the downsized years, Cadillacs were still Caddys persay into the 80's if we're talking Broughams specifically, but the really last of true great ones probably was the 70, but for the Eldorados, I would say up until 76.

My 78 Lincoln is slow, lol, the 400 is so underpowered, but it's not that bad. On the freeway it's a dream to drive and can easily keep up with traffic, I just have to be extra careful not to get too comfortable because the car can literally make you fall asleep as the car cradles you down the road, it's that quiet, and plush riding.  ;D
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on March 30, 2016, 04:55:09 AM
I love the fact that Cadillac decided to place the 8.2 Litre badge into the front fender spear in 1972.

There is nothing nicer than pulling up in a line of traffic, with vehicle/s, on either side, and seeing the driver, or passenger looking at the car, then seeing the 8.2 Litre badge.   Their eyes open wider, and their bottom jaw drops, knowing that their car has an engine so much smaller than they thought possible.

Bruce. >:D
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Tpicks55 on April 03, 2016, 04:56:49 PM
Its funny when I was growing up I always wanted a car with style.  I could never own a cadillac until recently while getting close to retirement.  I use to drool over the 70's cadillacs and one day I bought one and now restoring it.  While doing this I bought a 94 Deville which just to drive around.  I love the way it floats and accelerates.  I just recently went and drove a couple new cadillacs.  I was really in love with the looks but upon driving them I was left with a dissapointment.  They ride  more stiff and I felt the road bumps more  than I thought I should have.  Needless to say  I probably will just stay with my old cad and keep it running.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: 64\/54Cadillacking on April 03, 2016, 09:15:19 PM
Quote from: Tpicks55 on April 03, 2016, 04:56:49 PM
Its funny when I was growing up I always wanted a car with style.  I could never own a cadillac until recently while getting close to retirement.  I use to drool over the 70's cadillacs and one day I bought one and now restoring it.  While doing this I bought a 94 Deville which just to drive around.  I love the way it floats and accelerates.  I just recently went and drove a couple new cadillacs.  I was really in love with the looks but upon driving them I was left with a dissapointment.  They ride  more stiff and I felt the road bumps more  than I thought I should have.  Needless to say  I probably will just stay with my old cad and keep it running.


The new ones might be very quiet, handle great and have every single new tech feat on the market, but one thing that has been missing in the newish Cadillacs for years is that very soft, isolated smooth ride that you got in a older RWD Cadillac. You really can't achieve that kind of ride quality without a long wheelbase, soft springs, and a very solid body construction especially with most new luxury cars having larger wheels and rubber band tires..
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: 59-in-pieces on April 14, 2016, 11:22:05 AM
What makes us love our Cadillac cars.....
We drive what was once the STANDARD OF THE WORLD.
The Cadillac brand was synonymous with:
INNOVATION IN THE MECHANICAL WORKINGS OF AUTOMOBILES - but no more,
CUTTING EDGE DESIGNS - but no more,
SOPHISTICATED CREATURE COMFORTS - but no more.
AND A FIRM GRIP ON STATUS "HEY, LOOK AT ME -  I'VE MADE IT" - but sadly no more.

What do you think of when you see a:
Mercedes - great engineering, lasts for ever, status
BMW - powerful, road worthy, youthful,
Lexus & Infinity - over priced, almost made it, on my way to a BMW or Mercedes.
Lincoln - tying to catch up,
Newer Cadillac - Oliver Twist - "Please sir, may I have some more" - a fading actress trying to recapture old glories - SAD TO SAY.

If we're told to "DARE GREATLY", then act bold, don't sneak up on it with baby steps, but go after it - RELEASE THE HOUNDS and build - and as with NIKI "JUST DO IT"

CIEL
EL MIRAJ
V 16
ELR CONVERJ (?)
ECOJET

The soap box is now yours.
Have fun,
Steve B.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Big Apple Caddy on April 14, 2016, 12:02:22 PM
Quote from: 59-in-pieces on April 14, 2016, 11:22:05 AM
Mercedes - great engineering, lasts for ever, status
Mercedes-Benz isn't quite the great engineering, status symbol, etc. it used to be.  Their world changed starting in the 1990s when Lexus and Infiniti came in with less expensive, quality (perceived or genuine) products that took a lot of business from Mercedes-Benz as well as Cadillac and others.

Prior to then, Mercedes-Benz used to be high priced cars that often sold for at or near sticker price.  After the Japanese luxury invasion, Mercedes-Benz was offering big incentives, cutting sticker prices, etc. and the new competition was forcing them to push out products more hastily than before.


Quote from: 59-in-pieces on April 14, 2016, 11:22:05 AM
BMW - powerful, road worthy, youthful,
They too were affected by the new Japanese competition.


Quote from: 59-in-pieces on April 14, 2016, 11:22:05 AM
Lexus & Infinity - over priced, almost made it, on my way to a BMW or Mercedes.
I wouldn't necessarily call them overpriced.  They helped push the luxury market down in price.


Quote from: 59-in-pieces on April 14, 2016, 11:22:05 AM
Lincoln - tying to catch up,
Newer Cadillac - Oliver Twist - "Please sir, may I have some more" - a fading actress trying to recapture old glories - SAD TO SAY.
Both affected by new and stronger import competition.

Cadillac, Lincoln, Mercedes-Benz and other luxury brands are competing against each other today more than ever.  Overall, I'd say the imports are winning because today's market wants the attributes imports were known for more than they want the attributes that once made Cadillac and Lincoln popular.  Cruising land-yacht coupes and sedans just aren't "in" like they once were.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: 59-in-pieces on April 14, 2016, 01:58:04 PM
Perception is REALITY.
Marketing puts forth the images, and we interpret them, and convert our perceptions into actions, of buying, and more popularly leasing, our cars.
And sadly still - even after dissecting each marque - the inescapable conclusion is that Cadillac is no longer the Standard of the World.
Cadillac - there is much more work which needs to be done, before that perception can return.
In the mean time, like others in this group, I will continue to drive and enjoy my classic Cads, and one XLR.
Signing off this subject - don't need a Pen Pal.
Have fun,
Steve B.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: 64\/54Cadillacking on April 16, 2016, 10:39:55 PM
Marketing in a way is a tool that used to deceive and lie to the general public. Some of it can be honest, but the majority of what we see on TV, in print Ads, or online is all "Fluff".

But a lot of people are really stupid and fall into the marketing trap and believe or think that what they just saw on TV is a "must" have item because a celebrity told them so. ???

People need to think for themselves, and not allow others to dictate what is cool, what is popular, and kind of cars they should be driving.

It's like with all these tiny compact and subcompact cars all over the road, whoever is marketing those toys on wheels is doing a genius job on brain washing people into buying such death traps and advertising them as the next "Cool car to be seen in" Ala the Fiat 500. :o

I personally don't fall for such things, and my Classic Cad, and the majority of the classic Cadillacs look a million times better than the new ones, and I guarantee you, bystanders, and onlookers will give the old Cadillacs way more attention, focus and props than any new CTS, ATS or XTS on the road. Because the new Cads simply lack the excitement, they lack the presence, the sleek Sexy "Bad Ass"Cadillac styling, and acres of chrome for anyone to even care. The old Cadillacs make you feel like a Boss, while the new ones??? Fuggutboutit.  :-\
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Blade on April 17, 2016, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: 59-in-pieces on April 14, 2016, 11:22:05 AM
What makes us love our Cadillac cars.....
We drive what was once the STANDARD OF THE WORLD.
The Cadillac brand was synonymous with:
INNOVATION IN THE MECHANICAL WORKINGS OF AUTOMOBILES - but no more,
CUTTING EDGE DESIGNS - but no more,
SOPHISTICATED CREATURE COMFORTS - but no more.
AND A FIRM GRIP ON STATUS "HEY, LOOK AT ME -  I'VE MADE IT" - but sadly no more.
The whole problem started when Cadillac (and others) started to compete and 'mimic' the imports. Copies usually don't turn out as good as originals (except for the Japanese) but that's what we see with these cars even today: trying to copy to compete with others and when you are busy copying others you can never be a leader. Public opinion has shifted about what luxury and leaders should be from the 'you made it' to 'now you have to work even harder' and cars have to follow that. This required US car manufacturers to go through a dramatic change while others were already setup for this trend as Europe and Japan never had a 'you made it' luxury vehicle just practical quality cars. Cadillac was a leader because it realized the new trends themselves and adjusted to them themselves. For the past few decades this seems to be answered from looking at others and when you're looking at others you follow others. This is the problem that needs to be corrected and for Cadillac (or anyone) to be a leader just need to believing in their own intuitions, talents and just themselves again.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Big Apple Caddy on April 17, 2016, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: Blade on April 17, 2016, 12:02:06 AM
The whole problem started when Cadillac (and others) started to compete and 'mimic' the imports.

I think it was an unavoidable situation.  Cadillac saw their traditional models in sales declines while luxury imports were on the rise.  They either had to 'mimic' the imports, where the customers were going, or be satisfied with lower and lower sales since fewer and fewer contemporary buyers wanted the types of cars that once made Cadillac popular.

It was a lot easier for Cadillac to compete when their competition was basically just Lincoln.  It was a lot easier for Cadillac to be doing well when domestics overall were doing better.  Excluding pickups, ALL of the top 10 selling vehicles in the U.S. last year were import brand models.

New and stronger import competition plus changing tastes towards imports created an all-new ballgame.  Cadillac had to change because the buyers and the market did.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Scot Minesinger on April 19, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
Cadillac currently is coming back (positive momentum) and starting to offer the right product, but it is going to be a while until they have a full product offering.  I think a CT6 coupe and CT6 convertible (or coupe only with retractable metal hardtop - that looks good) would really be a move in finishing off the line nicely.  The CT6 sales upcoming will determine a lot about their future.

Funny we all have our perceptions of marketing, and being biased on Cadillac, my impressions of luxury brands are:

MB, nice, but trading on their name is what I hear from a lot of people that drive them.  Probably could enjoy a nice S series with a V-8.

BMW, I have driven these cars and they are terrible.  The 5 series V-6 is not powerful, not comfortable and poorly laid out, rather drive a 1995 Malibu.

Lexus, reliable nice, but do not care for the current styling

Infiniti, reliable OK, but again do not care for the styling

Jag:  The XJ would be the one to get and probably could enjoy that car.

In any event with any new car would not buy one without an extensive FACTORY warranty, inclusive of loner car program.

Back to the topic- classic Cadillacs why:  There is nothing like them, they drive very well and keep up with modern traffic, which is a miracle considering they are 40 to 50 years old.  Try driving a 1925 Cadillac in 1970 traffic.  When I'm driving my 1970 Cadillacs many other drivers are envious.



Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: 64\/54Cadillacking on April 19, 2016, 11:39:22 PM
If all is well, and the braking system is up to snuff, I don't see why a 50's-70's Cadillac can't be driven on a daily basis.

One thing I really miss in new cars, including new Cadillacs, is the massive interiors. The CT6 will probably still feel kinda small compared to our Classics. Imagine driving a 70's Fleetwood around town? I mean back in the day, you could easily  fit like 8 people in one of those, and go for a night out in supreme comfort, style, and feel like a President or a King. Nothing today even comes close to giving you that "Statesman" like feeling as the old ones do. I really miss that in the classic Cads.

The only other modern car I can think of that would be on par to a Fleetwood, especially to a 65 Fleetwood Bro, would be a RR Phantom. Obviously the Phantom is a superior car, but for size comparison and overall luxury, that would be the closest classic luxury car I can think of that I'd rather be chauffeured in if I was a rich man.
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Acmemopars on February 13, 2018, 05:54:39 PM
This is why.

I've been recycling cars for 26 years, mostly Mopars and those are one of my favs... but the car below is a 1957 Cadillac Eldorado Seville that has been garaged and turned off, sitting since 1979.  Parked because someone stole the dual carbs and intake.  I bought it in as-is condition, not running, motor locked up, interior dirty and dusty, flat tires from the 70's still on it, and unsure of what I was in for.

This car is a survivor and still wears its original interior, seats, carpet and headliner, cloth top, paint, number's matching 365 dual carb motor and tranny (both rebuilt).  It cleaned up great, runs great and it still looks good and everything still works (except the clock).  There is very little plastic or anything else for that matter that wears out or deteriorates, a few things, but not many.

The muscle cars of the 70's (love em) just don't last like these old Caddys.

Why you ask ?
Because of cars like "Macho Grande" below :)




Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Cape Cod Fleetwood on February 14, 2018, 12:58:34 AM
What a fun thread to read. The emotion from so many was so real.
Whether a rolling museum or a personal time capsule (as is my case), aren't we all so -
blessed?
With that blessing comes the responsibility to The Car to keep it alive for generations to come
and to share it with those who show interest, they are the future caretakers of these cars when we die.
We are all so lucky, so blessed.
Laurie!
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: BJM on February 14, 2018, 08:34:03 AM
Why do I love my 68 Eldorado?  I believe it is my favorite car of all time and I have owned well over 275 cars from 20 + manufacturers. It's the only one I come back to. 

Physical beauty, basically rolling art to me.  But a unique driving experience as well. Nobody else made it or figured it out, except Cadillac. 
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: ithaca1230 on February 14, 2018, 04:22:37 PM
Well for me it was love at first sight! There she was sitting in a driveway as I drove by. She must have winked or something cause I had to pull over and turn around and go back to check her out. Had to stop back on the way back and a couple other times before I took her home! Everybody kept asking me what was wrong with me wanting a old boat like that (1974 Fleetwood). Not sure if it was cause she is big, black, has that cloth gold interior or the way she floats. Its just love at first sight!
Title: Re: Why do you love your Caddy?
Post by: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on February 14, 2018, 04:38:24 PM
By pure chance, I was reading an Indiana history magazine today at the library before checking out my latest Bosch & Dave Robicheaux novels. There was an article about the wealthy and famous that lived in Indianapolis back in the 1920s. One such mentioned was a gentleman who had owned one of my 1941 Cadillacs. I think it was the fast back coupe with the SO leather front seat. He was a stock broker. It's rather neat to have some connection with those people who had some of the history in your home town. I never did find out anything about the original owners of my two Series 67 limos, though.