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Offline Art Cutler

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Source of Imperial Name in 1930s Fleetwood Bodies
« on: February 06, 2018, 03:52:13 PM »
I am helping our chapter editor with an article on a 1931 Cadillac model 4855 5 Passenger Imperial Cabriolet.  Does anyone know if "Imperial" had a specific meaning for Fleetwood bodies or was it just a sales tool?  The build sheet lists a Fisher Order Number.  Were these normally assigned to Fleetwood bodies after the 1925 purchase of Fleetwood by Fisher?  Appreciate any insight on this.

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Offline Barry M Wheeler #2189

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Re: Source of Imperial Name in 1930s Fleetwood Bodies
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2018, 04:09:30 PM »
"Imperial" was assigned to car bodies with divided windows between the driver and the passenger compartment. There were both five and seven passenger styles. At one time I had a 1941 Series 6733 Imperial (7 passenger) and a 1941 Series  6719F. I may be wrong in considering the "F" cars as "Imperials." So, to be safe, I would recant slightly and say that the 7533 cars are considered "Imperials" and the five passenger division cars are "formal" sedans. That may be getting to splitting hairs.

With a little more ambiguity I can go to Washington...
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Re: Source of Imperial Name in 1930s Fleetwood Bodies
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2018, 10:11:22 PM »
Thanks Barry!
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Re: Source of Imperial Name in 1930s Fleetwood Bodies
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2018, 04:59:30 AM »
I always thought Imperial denoted division window, whether 19 or 33 designation?
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Offline Barry M Wheeler #2189

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Re: Source of Imperial Name in 1930s Fleetwood Bodies
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2018, 07:32:49 AM »
I looked in the front of the Master Parts Book and wasn't sure, so I gave my convoluted explanation, figuring that someone would trip me up. Whatever... We're all pretty close anyhow.
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Re: Source of Imperial Name in 1930s Fleetwood Bodies
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2018, 11:32:38 AM »
"Imperial" was assigned to car bodies with divided windows between the driver and the passenger compartment. There were both five and seven passenger styles. At one time I had a 1941 Series 6733 Imperial (7 passenger) and a 1941 Series  6719F. I may be wrong in considering the "F" cars as "Imperials." So, to be safe, I would recant slightly and say that the 7533 cars are considered "Imperials" and the five passenger division cars are "formal" sedans. That may be getting to splitting hairs.

With a little more ambiguity I can go to Washington...

Art and Barry,

    A fascinating little issue!  I looked up in several sales brochures from 1931 (also 1930 and 1936) to see how
the various models are identified. I believe that Barry had it right originally. In both 1930 and 1931 there are models, both 5 passenger and 7 passenger, identified as Imperials. So I think that Imperial meant chauffeur-driven with the division glass, irrespective of the number of passengers. In one 1931 Cadillac it refers to an Imperial cabriolet model -- I think there are three different Imperials in that brochure. I have not found any V8 Cadillac model Imperials with just 5 passengers,  but V8s do exist as 7-passenger Imperial models. For 1936 I did not find a 5-passenger Imperial model.

    In practical terms, I believe that Imperials were almost always 7-passenger limousines with division windows -- at least in most years over the decades.

    Let me know if this isn't clear, or if you have further questions. I can check the Data Books -- which I haven't done yet.

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