Author Topic: Main and / or rod bearings failure in 1968 DVC  (Read 2539 times)

Offline Jeff Rose CLC #28373

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Re: Main and / or rod bearings failure in 1968 DVC
« Reply #100 on: November 01, 2017, 04:57:59 PM »
Just don't get one of those cheapie oil pressure gauges. I pulled what was left of my hair out when I got one. It would drop to near 0 at a stoplight and I thought it was due to not really having pressure. It wasn't until I noticed I lost about 15 psi when my lights were on that I realized it was a cheap gauge and an older charging system.
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Offline chrisntam

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Re: Main and / or rod bearings failure in 1968 DVC
« Reply #101 on: November 01, 2017, 05:01:34 PM »
I have this and a standard water temp gauge:

http://www.digi-panel.com/

I don't have the trans temp gauge, but it was tempting....

Electric oil pressure gauge uses a bell shaped sender.  The voltage gauge just hooks a wire into the existing electrical to monitor the voltage.   The engine temp portion monitors the engine temp via a ring type connector that is bolted (like a washer) under a bolt on the t-stat housing.  Mine consistently reads metal temp from 200 to 230 or so.  I have a 180 stat in it and the water temp is about 190. 

It's hard to tell exactly what the pressure/voltage/temp is as each bar is a range.  The colors are green when in the acceptable range, yellow for caution and red for turn the engine off.

Kinda pricey, but it works for me.  A standard 3 gauge package may provide more "detailed" information and would be at least $100 less.  I liked the compact design of this.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2017, 05:13:43 PM by chrisntam »
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Offline TJ Hopland

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Re: Main and / or rod bearings failure in 1968 DVC
« Reply #102 on: November 01, 2017, 10:26:25 PM »
I too have the digi-panel and really like it.    Mine does not match the reading of an IR gun at the sensor but does match the reading I get from my EFI which is in the port under the distributor so I assumed that was intentional since the metal may be cooler than the coolant?

I am amazed that in bright sun you can still see the active bar yet at night its not too bright. 
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Offline cadillacmike68

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Re: Main and / or rod bearings failure in 1968 DVC
« Reply #103 on: November 03, 2017, 01:17:31 AM »
The 1968s had a built in temp gauge, so I only need an oil gauge and a volts gauge. I will try to find a quality oil gauge and a matching volts gauge. My new Derale vented trans pan has a fitting for a trans temp gauge, so i Could use that for the temp part of a 3 gauge set.

Who makes good gauges? I remember Sun but they seem to be long gone...
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"Cadillac" Mike
Current:
1968 DeVille Convertible
1996 Fleetwood Brougham
2009 STS NorthStar Platinum ed RWD
2011 CTS PRemiun ed Sedan RWD
Past:
2008 CTS Premium ed Sedan AWD
2005 CTS Hi-Feature Sedan RWD
2000 ElDorado ESC Hard Boot Convertible
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Offline TJ Hopland

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Re: Main and / or rod bearings failure in 1968 DVC
« Reply #104 on: November 03, 2017, 10:52:53 PM »
Stuart Warner is still around.  VDO is also a brand that seems to be respected.
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75 Eldo rusty but trusty
80 Eldo Diesel
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Offline cadillacmike68

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Re: Main and / or rod bearings failure in 1968 DVC
« Reply #105 on: November 05, 2017, 10:17:13 PM »
I found the Stewart Warner pages. Lots of options. I like the power line series with the light blue center. Electrical oil gauge only for me. No pressurized oil line running to my dash that will spew oil when it breaks.. No Way.

The engine is back in. We have a small issue with the transmission oil cooler lines. as I noted on another thread I bought lines for a 1969-70. They are the correct size and overall shape, but are about 2 inches too long. We'll have to do some creative bending or cut them back by the transmission and fit a coupler in. 

Still need to have the carbie put back on, the new Derale trans pan and filter installed, trans motor mount, and probably a lot of wires, hoses & belts.  The Derale pan has a fitting for a temp sender so that's a third gauge option if i want it.   Here's a link to it:

https://derale.com/products/transmission-pans/cooling-pans/6an-male-x-3-8-barb-detail

Of course I used some of my Hirsch paint to get rid of that black.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2017, 07:25:05 AM by cadillacmike68 »
Regards,
"Cadillac" Mike
Current:
1968 DeVille Convertible
1996 Fleetwood Brougham
2009 STS NorthStar Platinum ed RWD
2011 CTS PRemiun ed Sedan RWD
Past:
2008 CTS Premium ed Sedan AWD
2005 CTS Hi-Feature Sedan RWD
2000 ElDorado ESC Hard Boot Convertible
1995 Fleetwood Brougham
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1970 Fleetwood Brougham
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Offline cadillacmike68

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Re: Main and / or rod bearings failure in 1968 DVC
« Reply #106 on: November 10, 2017, 07:51:28 AM »
Engine is back in.  Trying to get the Powermaster 150 Amp alternator to correctly light up the "GEN" light. And of course the batteries need charging.

Pics:
Regards,
"Cadillac" Mike
Current:
1968 DeVille Convertible
1996 Fleetwood Brougham
2009 STS NorthStar Platinum ed RWD
2011 CTS PRemiun ed Sedan RWD
Past:
2008 CTS Premium ed Sedan AWD
2005 CTS Hi-Feature Sedan RWD
2000 ElDorado ESC Hard Boot Convertible
1995 Fleetwood Brougham
1973 Sedan DeVille
1970 Fleetwood Brougham
1969 DeVille Convertible

Offline TJ Hopland

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Re: Main and / or rod bearings failure in 1968 DVC
« Reply #107 on: November 10, 2017, 10:33:42 AM »
I think Powermaster makes adapter harnesses that include the bypassing the external regulator.   
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75 Eldo rusty but trusty
80 Eldo Diesel
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Offline cadillacmike68

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Re: Main and / or rod bearings failure in 1968 DVC
« Reply #108 on: November 10, 2017, 04:03:51 PM »
I already have it. Just need to verify existing in car wires and get it properly set up.

The shop got it started today. They say its running fine. !!!!! 
Regards,
"Cadillac" Mike
Current:
1968 DeVille Convertible
1996 Fleetwood Brougham
2009 STS NorthStar Platinum ed RWD
2011 CTS PRemiun ed Sedan RWD
Past:
2008 CTS Premium ed Sedan AWD
2005 CTS Hi-Feature Sedan RWD
2000 ElDorado ESC Hard Boot Convertible
1995 Fleetwood Brougham
1973 Sedan DeVille
1970 Fleetwood Brougham
1969 DeVille Convertible

Offline chrisntam

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Re: Main and / or rod bearings failure in 1968 DVC
« Reply #109 on: November 10, 2017, 05:40:15 PM »
Looks great!  That engine will never be that clean as it is now!

Tell me about the transmission pan.

Looks like the trans cooler lines fit.

It also looks like you're putting it back together to last for the long haul.

If we had a two thumbs up thingy, I'd use it here!

chris.
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Offline cadillacmike68

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Re: Main and / or rod bearings failure in 1968 DVC
« Reply #110 on: November 10, 2017, 11:27:59 PM »
Thanks Chris,

The trans cooler lines were about 2 inches too long. We had to do some creative bending to make them shorter. That was the only issue, but it was a PITA because they don't want to bend!

The pan is a Derale standard vented TH400 pan.

link:  http://derale.com/products/transmission-pans/cooling-pans/6an-male-x-3-8-barb-detail

I got the same type of T fitting you did for oil pressure. I'll look for an SW gauge for it and a volts gauge.

I want to keep it until I can't rive any longer, so might as well do things right. Everything in it worked (except the clock and I have one that works), so I want to keep it working.

Yeah, I'm sure it will dirty up quite quickly once I start running it again.
Regards,
"Cadillac" Mike
Current:
1968 DeVille Convertible
1996 Fleetwood Brougham
2009 STS NorthStar Platinum ed RWD
2011 CTS PRemiun ed Sedan RWD
Past:
2008 CTS Premium ed Sedan AWD
2005 CTS Hi-Feature Sedan RWD
2000 ElDorado ESC Hard Boot Convertible
1995 Fleetwood Brougham
1973 Sedan DeVille
1970 Fleetwood Brougham
1969 DeVille Convertible