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2014 Cadillac ELR shown at NAIAS today

Started by Rich S, January 15, 2013, 07:32:37 PM

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Rich S

Today at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit, Cadillac unveiled the production version of the 2014 Cadillac ELR Coupe--a hybrid model. Here is an overview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqoTXNkXdBs

This vehicle is styled like the Concept Car called the Cadillac Converj. The powertrain is derivative from the Chevrolet Volt but has a regeneration-on-demand feature, similar to down-shifting, when slowing the car.
Rich Sullivan CLC #11473

1971 Eldo Conv., 2013 CTS Cpe

"Cadillac Kid" Greg Surfas 15364

They were originally talking about a power train that was going to be FAR SUPERIOR to the Volt.  Now we have a "pretty' $70,000.00 Volt.  I certainly hope Cadillac does a bit more by release time.
Greg
Cadillac Kid-Greg Surfas
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72 Eldo Cpe  (now cruising the sands in Quatar)
73 Coupe deVille
75 Coupe deElegance
76 Coupe deVille
79 Coupe de ville with "Paris" (pick up) option and 472 motor
514 inch motor now in '73-

The Tassie Devil(le)

And the presenter was sure trying to get the heads of GM to agree that it was just a tarted-up Volt.

Time for a longer floor pan so that extra batteries can be carried, as this would make it different to the Volt.   No substitute for more Cubes, sorry, Volts.

Bruce. >:D
'72 Eldorado Convertible (LHD)
'70 Ranchero Squire (RHD)
'74 Chris Craft Gull Wing (SH)
'02 VX Series II Holden Commodore SS Sedan
(Past President Modified Chapter)

Past Cars of significance - to me
1935 Ford 3 Window Coupe
1936 Ford 5 Window Coupe
1937 Chevrolet Sports Coupe
1955 Chevrolet Convertible
1959 Ford Fairlane Ranch Wagon
1960 Cadillac CDV
1972 Cadillac Eldorado Coupe

Guidematic


I'm not convinced that any variation of the EV will ever make an impact in the car market. There are too many compromises, and the cost is still far out of line.

That price they gave was with a $7,500 credit. So, imagine if the gov't eliminated that credit, you could conceivably have a $90,000 ELR.

But looking at it from another angle, it is still far less expensive than the electric only Tesla.

Mike
1970 Fleetwood Brougham 68169
1985 Eldorado Coupe 6EL57
1988 Eldorado Biarritz 6EL57
1990 Brougham d'Elegance 6DW69
1994 Fleetwood Brougham 6DW69

"Cadillac Kid" Greg Surfas 15364

This car will be competing with the Tesla (I believe it is a model) S, which claims a 250 mile range with 0-60 performance of about 4.5 seconds and a "Supercharger" which can give you a full charge in less than 1/2 hour.
If Cadillac doesn't get this right before it is actually released, I fear the Marque will only further diminish in the eyes of the public.
Greg
Cadillac Kid-Greg Surfas
Director Modified Chapter CLC
CLC #15364
66 Coupe deVille (now gone to the UK)
72 Eldo Cpe  (now cruising the sands in Quatar)
73 Coupe deVille
75 Coupe deElegance
76 Coupe deVille
79 Coupe de ville with "Paris" (pick up) option and 472 motor
514 inch motor now in '73-

Mike Josephic CLC #3877

I would not want to be sitting on a pile of lithium ion batteries -- in any car regardless who makes it.  Despite the claims that they are "safe" and cannot catch on fire I don't believe it.  In an accident
you would be toast, despite what GM claims. 

Witness the new Boeing 777 "Dreamliner", which is now grounded by the FAA.  That's due to
a number of incidents of fires breaking out in the bays below the passenger area which hold
similar type batteries.  The "old" technology in previous planes deployed a wind driven turbine
generator from the underside of the plane that provided enough power to run all of the essential electronics.

Cadillac is ready to start selling another clone of a cheaper design with fancy trim -- do you
remember the Cimarron?  You would think they learned a lesson from that.

Mike
1955 Cadillac Eldorado
1973 Cadillac Eldorado
1995 Cadillac Seville
2004 Escalade
1997 GMC Suburban 4X4, 454 engine, 3/4 ton
custom built by Santa Fe in Evansville, IN
2011 Buick Lucerne CX
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The Tassie Devil(le)

Plus, don't forget the Escalade, which in itself was just a tarted-up Chevrolet.

Bruce. >:D
'72 Eldorado Convertible (LHD)
'70 Ranchero Squire (RHD)
'74 Chris Craft Gull Wing (SH)
'02 VX Series II Holden Commodore SS Sedan
(Past President Modified Chapter)

Past Cars of significance - to me
1935 Ford 3 Window Coupe
1936 Ford 5 Window Coupe
1937 Chevrolet Sports Coupe
1955 Chevrolet Convertible
1959 Ford Fairlane Ranch Wagon
1960 Cadillac CDV
1972 Cadillac Eldorado Coupe

Chris Cummings

But don't forget how much Escalade contributed to Cadillac sales (and hence, its survival as a marque).

Badge engineering is a tricky game, and hard to get right.

Chris Cummings
20072

"Cadillac Kid" Greg Surfas 15364

IMHO, Paying more than twice the price of a Volt for a Volt with a different skin and a few additional bells and whistles would not bode well for the intelligence of the purchaser.  Again, just my thoughts.
Greg Surfas
Cadillac Kid-Greg Surfas
Director Modified Chapter CLC
CLC #15364
66 Coupe deVille (now gone to the UK)
72 Eldo Cpe  (now cruising the sands in Quatar)
73 Coupe deVille
75 Coupe deElegance
76 Coupe deVille
79 Coupe de ville with "Paris" (pick up) option and 472 motor
514 inch motor now in '73-

Gene Beaird

Quote from: Mike Josephic  CLC #3877 on January 18, 2013, 12:27:10 AM
<SNIP>

Witness the new Boeing 777 "Dreamliner", which is now grounded by the FAA.  That's due to
a number of incidents of fires breaking out in the bays below the passenger area which hold
similar type batteries.  The "old" technology in previous planes deployed a wind driven turbine
generator from the underside of the plane that provided enough power to run all of the essential electronics.

Cadillac is ready to start selling another clone of a cheaper design with fancy trim -- do you
remember the Cimarron?  You would think they learned a lesson from that.

Mike

That's '787 Dreamliner', and luckily, if the car did start smoking, it's not quite the same chore of finding a place to 'put 'er down' than it would be in a 787.   ;D
Gene Beaird,
1968 Calais
1979 Seville
Pearland, Texas
CLC Member No. 29873

Chris Conklin

I would think that leveraging some GM tech to get a high MPG car into the line-up is the goal here. They need to make up ground for their fleet average mileage and impending regulations/requirements. Helps them to keep selling those trucks and "V" performance variants. And doing it before the other luxury marquees.
Chris Conklin

R Schroeder

#11
$90,000.00 at 16.9 % interest would give me $15,200.00 bucks a year for gas. I don't think anybody spends that on gas. Just not into gas / electric cars I guess.


Roy

The Tassie Devil(le)

Plus, for the Greenies, don't forget about the amount of pollution that is created making the thing, and then think about the cost of replacing the batteries at the end of their life-span, and the cost of recycling the old ones.

Plus, the car that gets traded in for the new one, will take amounts of energy to eventually recycle that.

I know we need to create employment, but the makers need to create different things to make us feel like we NEED to replace something that is not as new.

People forget about things like that.

Bruce. >:D

'72 Eldorado Convertible (LHD)
'70 Ranchero Squire (RHD)
'74 Chris Craft Gull Wing (SH)
'02 VX Series II Holden Commodore SS Sedan
(Past President Modified Chapter)

Past Cars of significance - to me
1935 Ford 3 Window Coupe
1936 Ford 5 Window Coupe
1937 Chevrolet Sports Coupe
1955 Chevrolet Convertible
1959 Ford Fairlane Ranch Wagon
1960 Cadillac CDV
1972 Cadillac Eldorado Coupe

Roger Zimmermann

#13
Quote from: Roy Schroeder on January 18, 2013, 08:53:59 PM
$90,000.00 at 16.9 % interest would give me $15,200.00 bucks a year for gas. I don't think anybody spends that on gas. Just not into gas / electric cars I guess.


Roy
If you like, I will lend you that amount for just 5%! I don't know where you found a 16.9% interest...

The suggestion that Cadillac need that kind of vehicle because of CAFE makes sense. It was also the reason why they came with diesel engines...
1956 Sedan de Ville (sold)
1956 Eldorado Biarritz
1957 Eldorado Brougham (sold)
1972 Coupe de Ville
2011 DTS
CLCMRC benefactor #101

R Schroeder

#14
Roger , I play the stock market, and one of the stocks I own is AGNC. Bought it at $29.65 per share. It pays out 5 bucks a share in a dividend. At that buy price , I get 16.9 % interest / dividend per year. If stock price goes up, I also get the gain. It is also in a IRA , so I don't pay taxes on it until I draw it out.
It is one of 14 different companies that I am in.
Roy

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AGNC

Roger Zimmermann

Interesting dividend! Unfortunately (or fortunately), not available from here. I used to "play" more or less the same game; loose some, did some gains. I'm now selling what I bought 2 or 3 years ago when the stock value was low. The best deal I did was with gold. Kept it some years and sold at 100% profit!
1956 Sedan de Ville (sold)
1956 Eldorado Biarritz
1957 Eldorado Brougham (sold)
1972 Coupe de Ville
2011 DTS
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Jeff Wilk

Sorry guys but if anyone is following the electric car market you will see that the Tesla S has them all beat hands down.   Technology, style, function, and price.  GM should buy them out and slap a Cadillac crest on them and look like geniuses instead of playing their cimmaron/volt game here. IMO

Jeff
"Impossible Only Describes The Degree Of Difficulty" 

Southern New Jersey

1959 Cadillac Fleetwood Sixty Special
1975 Eldorado Convertible (#12 made)
1933 Phaeton Chevrolet - "Baby Cadillac"
1933 Master Sedan Chevrolet - "Baby Cadillac"

SOLD
1976 Cadillac Mirage (factory authorized Pick-Up)
1958 Cadillac Sixty-Special
1958 Cadillac Sixty-Special
1958 Cadillac Sedan
1958 Cadillac Coupe Deville

David King (kz78hy)

The ELR should be a very fine car.  I have a Volt and it is hands down the best car I have ever owned.  It has the highest owner satisfaction numbers in Consumer Reports of people wanting to buy again.

The cost is high and even with that, GM is losing money on them.  Lots of technology in those cars and that Caddy is one I would love to have someday.

The  other electrics are cool to look at, but it will be interesting to watch how they do.  All of the others together do not equal the  number of Volts delivered and in service. 

The GM Voltec system is very safe and probably over engineered.  At least least they are not catching fire in the garage like the Fiskers are.

My 2 cents.

David King
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R Schroeder

I drove my buddies new Ford Fusion Hybrid. That is gas electric too.
The only thing I didn't like was when you hit 35 mph the engine would start. If you slowed down it would stop.
I don't know if it was suppose to be like that, but 35 wasn't the speed you wanted to travel at.
Roy

The Tassie Devil(le)

Sounds like when driving one of these new electric things, one has to change their driving style.

If that is the case, I will stay with Petrol (which I intend to do right from the start)   The only electrical thing I need in my cars is the capacity to operate the Starter Motor.   Oh, and the rest of the gadgets.

Bruce. >:D
'72 Eldorado Convertible (LHD)
'70 Ranchero Squire (RHD)
'74 Chris Craft Gull Wing (SH)
'02 VX Series II Holden Commodore SS Sedan
(Past President Modified Chapter)

Past Cars of significance - to me
1935 Ford 3 Window Coupe
1936 Ford 5 Window Coupe
1937 Chevrolet Sports Coupe
1955 Chevrolet Convertible
1959 Ford Fairlane Ranch Wagon
1960 Cadillac CDV
1972 Cadillac Eldorado Coupe