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1939 lasalle fanbelt

Started by dheddaeus, June 07, 2012, 01:59:07 PM

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dheddaeus

I am looking for a source for a 1939 LaSalle fan belt.  I ordered one from AllCad.com, but it is too long and too narrow (7/8" wide x 39 5/8" long).  I think the size should be 1" wide x 35 1/2" - 37 1/2" long.  I think I can Live with the 7/8" wide but there is not enough adjustment in the fan pulley for the 39 5/8" length.

Does anyone know the original length and width of a 1939 fan belt?  I think the same belt is used on 1939 and 1940 LaSalles and 1939 to 1947 Cadillacs with the flathead V-8 engine.  The belt I got from All Cadillac is a Gates TR28386.

Thanks,
Dave Heddaeus

pauldridge

Go on the Goodyear belt sizing website:  http://www.goodyearep.com/productsdetail.aspx?id=11752

They have belts up to 1" in width.  To determine the size I needed for my '40 sixty special, I just took an old belt, cut it, wrapped it over the two pulleys, then measured the remaining distance between.. add that to the length of the belt and you're good to go.
Phil Auldridge
Austin, TX
1940 60S as well as MGA, Stingray, '39 Ford Coupe, BMW 3.0 CS, '59 Jaguar, '51 Hudson Hornet, '64 and '70 Mercedes roadsters, and Nash-Healey LeMans Coupe
[img]http://www.auldridge.org/images/hdricon.jpg[/img]

Steve Passmore

If I read that site correctly Paul their 1" belts only start at 46" long up to 59". At 39" Dave has no further adjustment, even allowing for the extra 1" taking up a bit of play I think 46 would be much too long . This has been a constant problem for both my 37 and 38 cars, they have wide pulleys and these belts from All Cads are no good at all.
Jim Stamper has very kindly been trying to obtain one in your country for me with no success so he and I both run with the 7/8" which sadly sits in the bottom of the pulley and has the tendency to screech if not adjusted very tight, not a lot of good for the bearings, The earlier cars actually should have 1 1/8".
So if theres a solution to this I would love to know about it. Here in the UK Imperial sizes are no longer available.  This subject has been covered before on this forum, it would seen changing to post war pulleys is one answer but the belt adjuster is much shorter.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

1939

Hi Dave,

I purchased my fan belt from Cooper's before they went out of business.  The belt they sold me is a gates green stripe 2, part number 44411.

I hope this helps,
Dave
David Schumacher
1939 Lasalle 5019

pauldridge

Here's a source for that Gates 44411 referenced.. no description as to width nor length:
http://www.finditparts.com/products/2492174/gates-corporation-44411
Phil Auldridge
Austin, TX
1940 60S as well as MGA, Stingray, '39 Ford Coupe, BMW 3.0 CS, '59 Jaguar, '51 Hudson Hornet, '64 and '70 Mercedes roadsters, and Nash-Healey LeMans Coupe
[img]http://www.auldridge.org/images/hdricon.jpg[/img]

dheddaeus

Thanks for the info Dave. I am using the same Gates belt 44411 and a friend with 1940 LaSalle has the same belt.  I have also bought items form Coopers but they seem to have gone away.  These Gates belts I think are the right size but they are no longer made as far as I know.  Seems to be the right part number and right size,  but where can we buy some? 

Dave Heddaeus
CLC #25949





























dheddaeus

Thanks Phil, I will give the source a try.

Dave Heddaeus

Steve Passmore

Dont know how old that link is Phil but when you put that part number into Gates web site it comes up "No such item found"
and no such number exists on their catalog of belts so its hard to check sizes? maybe they changed the numbers?  I see its listed under Truck Belt.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

Tom Knoebel

Quote from: 1939 on June 10, 2012, 09:59:02 AM
Hi Dave,

I purchased my fan belt from Cooper's before they went out of business.  The belt they sold me is a gates green stripe 2, part number 44411.

I hope this helps,
Dave

I just received an oil pump from Bob he is still open his number is 818-972-2642
Tom Knoebel

1939 LaSalle 5019, 1940 5019, 1940 5019, 1940 5011

JohnWNY

McVey's has them.  Look on their website.

39LaSalleCaddad

fan belts all sold out at mcveys

John Washburn CLC 1067 Sadly deceased.

Folks,

McVey has sold out his belts and if not they are not the best belts.

I did an article in the SS on this some time ago which listed the belts for the flat heads and their dimension. It is listed in the CLC directory under the listing for SS articles.

The Johnny
John Washburn
CLC #1067
1937 LaSalle Coupe
1938 6519F Series Imperial Sedan
1949 62 Series 4 Door
1949 60 Special Fleetwood
1953 Coupe DeVille
1956 Coupe DeVille
1992 Eldorado Touring Coupe America Cup Series

tturley

What is the procedure for replacing belt that drives the water pump and generator on a flathead ?
I have .loosened pivot bolt and locking bolt on rye generator and have belt on crank pulley and generator pulley but can't quite get it over the water pump pulley. So very close but not quite.

Is there a trick ?
Member # 28929
1940 Lasalle model 5019
2011 Escalade platinum Edition
1995 Ford F-150
2015 Buick Enclave

Glen

Quote from: John Washburn CLC 1067 on September 25, 2017, 06:41:38 PM
I did an article in the SS on this some time ago which listed the belts for the flat heads and their dimension. It is listed in the CLC directory under the listing for SS articles.

The Johnny
Page 30 in November 2013 of the Self Starter. 
Glen Houlton CLC #727 
CLCMRC benefactor #104

Steve Passmore

Quote from: tturley on September 25, 2017, 09:01:34 PM
What is the procedure for replacing belt that drives the water pump and generator on a flathead ?
I have .loosened pivot bolt and locking bolt on rye generator and have belt on crank pulley and generator pulley but can't quite get it over the water pump pulley. So very close but not quite.

Is there a trick ?

It means that someone fitted a belt slightly too small because it was all they could get. Try taking out one bolt of the generator and letting it drop a little. You may have to loosen the fan belt to drop that pully first.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

tturley

Is the past SS archived somewhere?
Member # 28929
1940 Lasalle model 5019
2011 Escalade platinum Edition
1995 Ford F-150
2015 Buick Enclave

Bill Ingler #7799

 There appears to be a good demand for new belts for our flat head Cadillacs. This might make McVey think about making another run of both generator as well as fan belts. Having run Gates and belts from McVey on my 41 and 47, I prefer the belts from McVey. The belts from Gates never seated all the way down inside the pulley walls and over time the belt would get noisy and start to wear the  sides of the belt .The McVey belts were a wrapped belt and fit perfectly in the pulleys. The belts were quit even after several thousand miles on the belts.   Bill

tturley

I just spoke with mcvey and they said they will not make more. I am in need of a water pump- gen belt now as mine broke on 40 LaSalle
Do you know the size or part number for thatbelt
Member # 28929
1940 Lasalle model 5019
2011 Escalade platinum Edition
1995 Ford F-150
2015 Buick Enclave

Brad Ipsen CLC #737

Most likely the reason they won't make any more is because they fail.  I had one fail after a few thousand miles.  Have had good luck for 20,000 miles now with the replacements available from normal suppliers (cogged green stripe) The printing will come off with lacquer thinner and 3M red pad so they don't look quite so ugly.
Brad Ipsen
1940 Cadillac 60S
1938 Cadillac 9039
1940 Cadillac 6267
1940 LaSalle 5227
1949 Cadillac 6237X
1940 Cadillac 60S Limo

tturley

Do you remember the size or part# us are using
Member # 28929
1940 Lasalle model 5019
2011 Escalade platinum Edition
1995 Ford F-150
2015 Buick Enclave