1936 V12 Engine mounts DOes anyne have pictures / potential suppliers??

[F Melbourne]

Hi I am  new to the forum.  I have been helping out with a friends 1936 Cadillac V12.  One of the engine mounts has failed and on removal it is apparent that hey were built up from non genuine parts.  It may be that the structure the mount attached to may have also been fabricated to suit the non genuine mount.  Also the engine was originally out of a 1932 Cadillac and I am not sure if the same mount was used in both 1936 and 1932 V12 engines.  My friend would really like to install the original style mounts to the engine which is currently being overhauled.  After much searching of the internet I haven't found anything to help identify what constitutes the original mounts and mounting components are for the front and back of the motor or what they look like ( although the front mount is more urgent).  Appreciate if anyone can point me towards photos or drawings or a potential supplier.  My friend is slowly going over the whole car between car events and it is getting better and better every year  PS also chasing up headlight lenses 

Regards Fred   

[Steve Passmore]

Sold my V12 a few years back so can't help you with that Fred.  Still have a 70 series V8 but a little different in the engine mount department. Pretty sure no one is re-producing them though.  Ty Stinson might be able to give you a picture, although, not much room down the front of those engines. I think the mounts are the same as 37.
lens are on eBay all the time. here's a pair.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-1937-38-Buick-Headlight-Lens-SET-2-IN-ORIGINAL-BOX-CADILLAC-1937-ALL-MODELS-/292079625846?hash=item44014d6676:g:hLoAAOSwTM5Y6BLM&vxp=mtr

[31caddy]

try www.steelerubber.com

[Steve Passmore]

Sadly Ritch they only offer a Revulcanization  service. I found that out when I had my V12. Not much help if you don't have any.

[31caddy]

Sadly Ritch they only offer a Revulcanization  service. I found that out when I had my V12. Not much help if you don't have any.

Maybe so. I saw the revulcanization service for certain mounts. I also saw various engine mount cushions listed for sale when I specified a 1932 Model 370B (V12) or a 1936 Series 90/ 370D. Since the OP's car has a different year engine installed, I don't know if the factory mounting scheme is applicable anyway. ( Neither does the OP). Perhaps some of the mount cushions listed by Steele for a 1932 V12/370B would help. I also have some various 1931 engine mounts ( the metal parts) available, but don't know how they compare to '32 or '36 pieces. The  355A V8 mounts were very similar ( in some instances the same ) to the 1931 (370A) V12, but different from later cars. I'm willing to spend some time in my parts book/parts heap if the OP will provide some pictures/more info of what he has, and what he thinks he needs.

Update: The 1931 Metal mount parts that I have won't help. They are significantly different than the 1932 pieces. The parts manual illustrations and numbers indicate that 1932 V12 mounting pieces are different than 1936 as well. I would recommend the OP purchase a 1928-1936 Cadillac parts manual off of ebay. There are some illustrations in section 11 that should help. Without seeing the car , My suggestion would be to locate the metal pieces (Dick Shappy) and cushions ( Steele Rubber) for a 1932 370B that bolt to the engine, and then fabricate whatever tabs/brackets are needed to connect these to the '36 chassis. Everyday street rodder type work.

[F Melbourne]

Gee thanks for the quick responses.  This is great info.   Is there any photos of the original mounts anywhere??  regards Fred

[Steve Passmore]

This may help you a little from the shop manual. It's from the 37/38 manual but it's the same in the 36 manual, it's just that its too poor a picture to reproduce. The bottom right shows the 90 series front mount and the text say it's the same for the 85 series.

[F Melbourne]

I really appreciate the feedback.  Still don't think I am 100% the way there.  I finally got back to the car which is distributed at a few different shops and places and got some photos ( hopefully by posting the photos the internet will be somehow richer and others may benefit).  I will start by saying that the rubber mount has been made up from what I can tell and its the correct part that we are chasing.  From what we can ascertain the car was originally a V8 and apart from 2 holes in the top of the rail for each of the cobbled up mounts nothing else is visible on the frame ( There are some holes slightly further back in the side of the frame that may be locations for the V8 mount??).  There is also some welding in the area of the front hole so the baseplate on the mount has been made to take this into account.  I appreciate the leads on the rubber mounts that are available but I have trouble seeing how the round square edged rubber ( in either 2" or 2 5/8" ) would fit the cast iron conical frame receptacle that is bolted to the motor ( this may not be the correct item either.  Can anyone identify the bracket that is on the 1932 V12 that now lives in the 1936 fleedwood.  and if so what are the correct mounts and arrangement for it?  Thanks in anticipation Fred

[F Melbourne]

sorry missed a dimensional sketch on the engine bracket where the rubber isolator I assume was meant to fit.  Hopefully if this can be identified that will hopefully also lead me to the isolator. If it doesn't if one isn't available the correct height / chassis attachment would also be of help.  regards Fred

[Steve Passmore]

Fred, If the car originally had a V8 it would be a 70/75 series. What does the cowl plate say?
The holes you see on top the frame rail are no indication of a V8 engine because the V8 engine for 36 mounted to those two big cast eyelets to see at the front which is part of the centre steering bracket.
There were two long arms that protruded out from the timing cover. The back mounts were part of the bell housing casting.  These series (70/75/80/85) were made to take either the V8 or the V12 engine so had the mounts for both.  Chassis number or cowl plate will determine which series it is.

[F Melbourne]

Thanks Steve I will check the cowl plate.  does that front engine mounting bracket look right for this application?  Would you know or know where I could get picture or details on the rubber mount that suits this mount assembly?  Really appreciate you taking the time to respond.  Regards Fred  PS t may take a coupe of days for me to get down to the car

[Steve Passmore]

Those original 1936 V8 mounts even if you could find them would not work on your V12 Fred. There were two arms bolted to the block casting each side of the timing cover. They sat on a steel plate about 9" wide which was bonded to rubber which then bolted through those two eyelets. Completely different than the V12 which had twin mounts each side of the timing cover like yours.

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[tozerco]

Hi Steve,

The car was originally a '36 75 series that had the '32 V12 "transplanted" into it (the engine came from the north of the West Coast of the US where it had been frozen with water still in the "jacket") so there is not much original about it in this engine mount department and the cowl tag won't help much (if it still has one). I think, if the owner wants original the task will be almost impossible. It is a nice car that did many miles after the 12 was dropped in.