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Jay gives a nod to the 49

Started by Joe V, November 20, 2017, 11:14:44 PM

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Joe V

His facts may be skewed but Jay definitely has an opinion about the 49 Cadillac.

youtu.be/WH4aMZapC6Q?t=7m52s

James Landi

Thanks for posting--- so great to hear Jay affirm the leadership of the Cadillac division. There was a time during the late 50's when RR was using Cadillac engines and transmissions in their cars. Additionally: The link below takes you to the NYTimes "WHeels" section where a review of the new highly innovative "super cruise" appears.  The review is highly entertaining an very positive review. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/business/cadillac-super-cruise.html?em_pos=large&emc=edit_ws_20171120&nl=wheels&nlid=46763028&ref=img&te=1&; Happy day,  James

Steve Passmore

Quote from: James Landi on November 21, 2017, 08:25:24 AM
. There was a time during the late 50's when RR was using Cadillac engines and transmissions in their cars.

Unquote

Really?  Can you tell me where that's written?
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

Caddy Wizard

I don't know if RR ever used a Cadillac engine.  But they definitely used a Cadillac transmission.  No one could make an automatic transmission as good as GM back then...
Art Gardner


1955 S60 Fleetwood sedan (now under resto -- has been in paint shop since June 2022!)
1955 S62 Coupe (future show car? 2/3 done)
1958 Eldo Seville (2/3 done)

Steve Passmore

Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

Jay Friedman

Some years ago a Rolls Royce restorer here in the Atlanta area told a group of us Cadillac guys visiting his shop that RR used the first (1940-55) version of Hydramatic well into the 1960s.  This, of course, was long after Cadillac and others switched to the 2nd Jetaway version.
1949 Cadillac 6107 Club Coupe
1932 Ford V8 Phaeton (restored, not a rod).  Sold
Decatur, Georgia
CLC # 3210, since 1984
"If it won't work, get a bigger hammer."

Steve Passmore

That could be true but they never used a Cadillac engine.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

The Tassie Devil(le)

#7
I do know that RR used the Hydromatic to replace their own troublesome transmission.

The story goes that when they stripped one down, they were horrified at the "quality" of the internals, and the engineers said that the insides were too rough for anything to go into a RR, so they polished everything internally, and when they put it back together, it wouldn't work.

They called on GM to find the problem, and once the GM technicians saw what they had done, they virtually said. "don't touch the internals, that is how they are designed to work."

Seems that perfection doesn't have to be smooth and polished.

Bruce. >:D
'72 Eldorado Convertible (LHD)
'70 Ranchero Squire (RHD)
'74 Chris Craft Gull Wing (SH)
'02 VX Series II Holden Commodore SS Sedan
(Past President Modified Chapter)

Past Cars of significance - to me
1935 Ford 3 Window Coupe
1936 Ford 5 Window Coupe
1937 Chevrolet Sports Coupe
1955 Chevrolet Convertible
1959 Ford Fairlane Ranch Wagon
1960 Cadillac CDV
1972 Cadillac Eldorado Coupe

1949

Really  ?  Power steering ?   Air conditioning  ?
MICHAEL LYNCH
Wisconsin

Glen

From Rolls-Royce: The History of The Car by Martin Bennett ISBN 0-668-03619-2 Page 66. 
Glen Houlton CLC #727 
CLCMRC benefactor #104

49 Convertible

I, too, agree they used the GM Hydramatic.  Having owned both a 53 & 54 Bentley Motorcar  one a right hand drive and one a left hand drive both Hydramatics.  They (RR) or maybe GM for RR did add a "servo" to the side of the transmission which was used to assist the brakes in the rear.  (Servo had arms which connected to 1/4 inch steel rods that went to rear axle which had levers connected to rods that went to ear rear drum to assist in braking) Nearly 30 years since owning these cars not sure memory is 100% correct but the transmission was modified for the "servo" in 53, 54, 55 and possibly later cars.
Herman Desser
clc # 19416

dochawk

I think it was the 70s Cadillac history where I read that initially RR licensed and modified the design, but after a couple of years, sourced them from GM as the "improvements", well, didn't improve it.

hawk
1972 Eldorado convertible,  1997 Eldorado ETC (now awaiting parts swap from '95 donor), 1993 Fleetwood but no 1926 (yet)

tozerco

Quote from: Steve Passmore on November 21, 2017, 08:42:18 AM
Quote from: James Landi on November 21, 2017, 08:25:24 AM
. There was a time during the late 50's when RR was using Cadillac engines and transmissions in their cars.

Unquote

Really?  Can you tell me where that's written?

Steve,

The Rolls Royce Camargue at least had a three speed GM turbohydramatic transmission in the 1970's:

The Camargue shared its platform with the Rolls-Royce Corniche and Silver Shadow. It was powered by the same 6.75 L V8 engine as the Silver Shadow, although the Camargue was slightly more powerful. The transmission was also carried over â€" a General Motors Turbo-Hydramatic 3-speed automatic.
John Tozer
#7946

'37 7513
'37 7533

Joe V

#13
Jay gives a second nod to the 49, alternate facts and all.  Wonder why he doesn't have one?

https://youtu.be/LgMZDC-mK08?t=17m22s