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Title: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on September 29, 2011, 10:26:12 PM
Engine out last month and car down to rolling chassis.  Parts bagged and labeled.  Almost all new parts that I needed have been ordered except new top and maybe $500 of other misc parts...lol, i say that now!

Brought parts to sandblaster last week and he finished Mon.  I painted with R-M epoxy primer yesterday (Pics of parts in paintbooth attached).  Car being sandblasted underneath Saturday and then I will then prime bottom of car.  First car where I'm doing the priming and the much of the bodywork.  However, I will not attempt painting the car the original firemist blue   :)

Sent some pics yesterday to last person to actually drive this car....back in 1980!!   ;D  I tracked him down from a registration left in the glove compartment and contacted him a couple of years ago.  He was happy that the car will be coming back to life  :) 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Brad Hemingson CLC #18437 on September 30, 2011, 01:40:09 PM
Nice to see someone with '66's other than Ralph and I. It seems to be an orphan year even though I love the body style. Post lots of pics.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on September 30, 2011, 01:57:38 PM
Thanks and sure!  Undercarriage is getting sandblasted today.  I'm getting ready to prime and paint underneath later. 

Not sure why auth manual says undercarriage is grey. My two 66's are both black...can confirm under gas tank too.     
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Brad Hemingson CLC #18437 on September 30, 2011, 03:35:21 PM
That's strange. Mine are black or black undercoat.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on September 30, 2011, 06:11:28 PM
Chaz,

You’ll have a great car when done. IMHO ’66 is the last true Cadillac before the government started designing cars.

The gray is primer as the underbody was not painted. If you are going for authenticity you should clear coat the primer with a flat finish. Primer is porous allowing moisture to eventually attack the metal.

BTW, the most difficult thing on a ’66 is getting the screw in that holds the interior door handles on the shaft…….Just wait. You’ll see.

Please post pics.

Ralph
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on September 30, 2011, 08:52:51 PM
Quote from: Archie Calise on September 30, 2011, 02:07:21 PM
I admire your ambition.  Good luck.  66 is a real nice year.  Here's a pic of mine...

Wow...nice pics---beauty!!  Thanks
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on September 30, 2011, 09:00:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on September 30, 2011, 06:11:28 PM
Chaz,

You’ll have a great car when done. IMHO ’66 is the last true Cadillac before the government started designing cars.

The gray is primer as the underbody was not painted. If you are going for authenticity you should clear coat the primer with a flat finish. Primer is porous allowing moisture to eventually attack the metal.

BTW, the most difficult thing on a ’66 is getting the screw in that holds the interior door handles on the shaft…….Just wait. You’ll see.

Please post pics.

Ralph

Ralph thanks!  I was going to leave it grey, but I am positive it was black underneath and never painted, so went with black :).  Original unmolested pic attached.  I tracked down the last owner before my purchase and he knew the original owner and the car was never disassembled and painted.  I also have confirming pictures of the black under the gas tank.  I have the 69 authenticity manual too and it's great to have those, but there is always a possibilty that the guides may not be 100% accurate.  I believe recently an update was made to list anodized bolts on bumpers for example.  I guess I will just have to bring the proof when judged  ;)  I better print the pic (I also have a video) when car is ready for shows  ;D

Thx for the heads up on the handle!!

Thanks!!
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on September 30, 2011, 09:57:23 PM
Some more pics from today.  Sandblasting.  Check out the original Marlin Blue Iridescent Paint still under trunk lid....will be painting car that orig color. 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on September 30, 2011, 09:58:08 PM
I then epoxy primed (R-M 589) and painted with Eastwood Extreme Chassis Black.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on October 01, 2011, 09:52:36 AM
Chaz,

I don’t understand the comment about “anodized bumper bolts”. Anodizing is a protective surface for aluminum only. The large bumper bolts -1/2” diameter- are carriage bolt style and made of steel. Therefore, they can’t be anodized. I believe the bumper bolts were silver cad plate.

Ralph
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on October 01, 2011, 03:34:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on October 01, 2011, 09:52:36 AM
Chaz,

I don’t understand the comment about “anodized bumper bolts”. Anodizing is a protective surface for aluminum only. The large bumper bolts -1/2” diameter- are carriage bolt style and made of steel. Therefore, they can’t be anodized. I believe the bumper bolts were silver cad plate.

Ralph

Oops sorry, posting too late, actually meant yellow zinc chromate.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on October 09, 2011, 10:38:21 PM
Whew, engine bay done (before and after attached), inside of trunk painted (still have to repair sides), and floor painted. 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on October 30, 2011, 08:08:25 PM
Started replacing rear brackets today.  Welder in 2nd pic.

Anyone know where to get replacement body mount bushings?
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on December 14, 2011, 07:29:24 PM
Rear brackets underneath done.   New side floorpans in, new rear bushings installed. 
Before and after.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 26, 2012, 08:19:31 PM
Quarter patch panels on pass side almost done.  Looks real nice now behind the quarter.  All cleaned up, sanded primed and painted behind the quarters.   Was fun getting the line on bottom straight!   ;D

Tough to tell in my phone pics, but super straight and no warpage at all. 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on December 29, 2014, 04:31:25 PM
Back on the '66, now that the '65 Eldo on the road.  Didn't like the way the front end looked after painting, so removed front fenders/inner fenders, all suspension and redid the right way ;).  All apart and getting painted today.

Also, all rims blasted and painted this week.
Inner fenders painted and done
Radiator support painted and done
Trans cross member painted-done

Working on A-Arms and lower control arms tonight-removing bushings. 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on December 29, 2014, 05:09:37 PM
Chaz,

It looks great. I particularly like your front jack. You won’t be sorry for going back and re-doing the front chassis. It does show with the hood open.
When I tackle something I always remember an old machinist from my early working days who was famous for saying “There’s never enough time to do it right, but always time to do it over again.”
These are really nice cars to live with and enjoy when finished, and definitely worth the extra effort.

Ralph
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Bill Young on December 29, 2014, 09:46:38 PM
I Love the 1966 DeVille Conv. The Marlin Blue will be perfect. You will Love that Car to drive when it is completed. A Friend of mine has a tripple Green '66 DeVille conv. low mileage non air Car and it is a dream to drive. Don't forget a rebuilt steering box it makes the car feel new.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on December 31, 2014, 05:19:08 PM
Thanks guys!  Here's the updates for today.

Front end all painted.  Tires getting mounted.  Rest of small parts getting painted black.  Chuck

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on December 31, 2014, 05:45:18 PM
A few more pics.  The radiator support came out great.  Air cleaner and hood release too.  My hood release was black, but I have seen these gold (yellow zinc) as FYI.

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 02, 2015, 04:42:16 PM
All tires done...with correct wheels weights on front ;)  Waiting for some used upper control arms next week so I can put the front suspension together.  One of my A arms bent in press when removing ball joint.  I'll let my friend do the next one  :D

Picking up a plating kit Tuesday to clean up and plate all the nuts and bolts. 

http://www.caswellplating.com/electroplating-anodizing/zinc-plating-kits.html (http://www.caswellplating.com/electroplating-anodizing/zinc-plating-kits.html)
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 03, 2015, 11:01:13 PM
Few more updates today:
Inner fenders painted a few days ago...just picked up...the pic shows my fingerprints after thoroughly dry, but they actually look great ;)
Front brakes disassembled.
Small parts painted, brackets, jacks, etc...
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 09, 2015, 10:36:22 PM
Control arm bushings and ball joints all removed today.  I noticed on the lower control arm bushing that it is slightly bigger on one side (new one), and looks like goes in from the flat side. 

Will now drop off at my friend for sand blasting, then will put all back together (New ball joints/bushings), tape up, and paint.

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 19, 2015, 11:41:13 PM
Ready to drop off the control arms to my friend tomorrow to press in ball joints/bushings, then will be ready to paint black.  Here some pics with the arms in epoxy primer.  Steering knuckle/arm bare metal and will paint tomorrow with caliper high heat paint. 

Bolts have been tumbling all week-cleaning up.  Will will be picking up my Caswell Copy Cad kit tomorrow to start plating all the bolts.  Scored a nice rectifier last week, used only once, so now I just need to grab my wife's old crock pot to degrease bolts ;) 

Goal is to reassemble front end by end of next week. 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on January 22, 2015, 03:54:30 PM
Very nice. Let us know what you think about the Moog balljoints.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on February 05, 2015, 05:57:55 PM
Sure Nick I will thanks! (Lower Moog, Upper are TRW brand)

Here's some pics with the ball joints and bushings installed.  Just need to clean up all the grease marks off of the epoxy primer, tape up, then paint.  Brake drum turned and ready too-New races installed.

Chuck

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on February 05, 2015, 08:04:50 PM
Gentlemen,

I used all Moog parts on the front ends of both my ‘66s and I’ve been very happy. Service, product and performance have been without issue.

Ralph
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on February 07, 2015, 11:28:23 PM
Bolt night after snowmobiling all day with my teenage son :)  Love the Copy Cad system from Caswell plating.  Just got last month and tried tonight.  These were all rusty old bolts for the '66 before putting in the tumbler, and wire wheel on some. 

Got my wife's old crock pot as a degreasing station  ;D  First two as test came out great.  Now I just need to yellow chromate the bolts, but I'll do outside for that step (fumes). 

Last resto I did I painted some bolts with various Eastwood sprays, bought some resto bolts, and some from the hardware store.  Since the tumbler is a walk away task for 4 hours, and the plating is fairly quick, it seems like much less time to clean up most of original bolts vs. finding new.  I am using new grade 8 for some though. 

I know the authenticity manual doesn't go into the level of detail of bolt colors/heads/bracket colors and such (or judging-AACA or CLC), but I took pictures of original colors of all and I think will be cool  8) to put them all back pretty much the same :)  Just having fun...lol    ;)

Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on February 08, 2015, 09:47:31 AM
nice. The tumbler is also on my bucket list. No budget and not enough old rusty bolts (yet) :-)
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on February 22, 2015, 12:27:13 AM
Thanks!  Here is some more completed work.  I can now get the bolts to show quality after doing a few batches.  Started with parts that can't be seen, in brake drum.  I'm not going to redo some of the minor errors on those, but found if I need to redo, I use a solution of battery acid diluted to 18%, per the plating co, and that works great, takes a few minutes. Getting easier as it goes along. 

I'm doing all the grade 8 with yellow zinc chromate, along with many brackets I took off where I could see the yellow.  2 strut rod washers not perfect, but I can hide bad part when mounting :)

I also have black chromate, along with blue chromate.  Does anyone know what color the bolts are that mount the wheel cylinder?  I think black. 

Also rough assembled new tie rods/center link, etc...
Chuck   
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on February 27, 2015, 08:55:28 PM
Few more parts painted (all done w/ spray gun).  Should be ready for front end reassembly soon.

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 05, 2015, 12:30:44 AM
Front brakes done.  Replated these parts with with copy cad-then yellow chromate: stabilizer plates, grease guard, support plate, lock plate, shoe guide plate, link, and small spring pins (not in kits-only long).  All springs new except Primary to Secondary springs.

Cleaned all the old grease out of front hub today too.  Wheel bearing packing/install in am :)...then wait for my friend to assist with front end assembly. 

My teenage son did passenger side on his own.   ;D
Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: savemy67 on March 05, 2015, 10:57:40 AM
Hello Chuck,

Nice job on the brakes (as well as everything else that I can see).  In the photos of the brakes it looks like you installed relined shoes.  Are the linings bonded or riveted, and why did you select one or the other?  Did your front brakes have one shoe with a grooved lining?  When you had the drums turned, what brake lathe equipment was used?  Keep up the good work.

Christopher Winter
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 05, 2015, 02:52:37 PM
Hi Christopher,

Bonded, not riveted.  The ones I got were the only ones I could find-got from NAPA.  No grooves.

Not sure on the lathe my friend used, but it looked old, from maybe the 50's??  His dad owned shop before him and they have held on to equipment thankfully, as not many shops will turn. 

Thanks!  Chuck

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on March 08, 2015, 01:04:16 PM
Hi

Nice job! Looks nice!

Did you replace the springs too?
Where did you find a brake hardware kit for the front?

I only found spring kits for the back drum brakes of my 68 Caddy.

Best regards,
Nicolas
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 08, 2015, 02:19:29 PM
Thanks!!

Yes, except bottom one by adjusting wheel.

Jacksons

http://www.oldtimeparts.com/

May have been a subset of:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brake-Hardware-Kit-Springs-61-62-63-64-65-66-Cadillac-NEW-/311311661919?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A1966%7CMake%3ACadillac&hash=item487b9efb5f&vxp=mtr

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on March 08, 2015, 02:35:12 PM
Ok, thanks. I'll try them.

Best regars,
Nicolas
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 18, 2015, 08:52:43 PM
Some test fitting before final front suspension assembly  ;D
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: JoeKarasinski on March 18, 2015, 11:48:46 PM
Looking good!
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 19, 2015, 07:20:40 PM
Thanks Joe!

Front end done!!  All new suspension, brakes, steering box, inner/outer tie rods, upper/lower ball joints, bushings,  etc...
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: savemy67 on March 19, 2015, 08:17:27 PM
Hello Chuck,

The front-end looks great.  In one of your posts from last year, a photo shows the rear drums painted black.  The front drums look gray or aluminum.  Will they be painted black?  I like the contrast between the gray on the front drums and the black on the frame/suspension.  If your front drums are going to stay the color in the photo, what color is that?

Christopher Winter
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 19, 2015, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: savemy67 on March 19, 2015, 08:17:27 PM
Hello Chuck,

The front-end looks great.  In one of your posts from last year, a photo shows the rear drums painted black.  The front drums look gray or aluminum.  Will they be painted black?  I like the contrast between the gray on the front drums and the black on the frame/suspension.  If your front drums are going to stay the color in the photo, what color is that?

Christopher Winter

Hi Christopher, Thanks!  I need to redo the rear ones.  I left them on when I was paining the undercarriage and accidentally painted them with undercarriage black...wasn't thinking.  I will throw them in my sandblast pile, then paint only with Silver high heat caliper paint, as I did on the front (along with the steering arm and knuckle as they may absorb heat too) 

BTW, I have an assembly line photo showing the drum much lighter than the black frame :)  Also, my undercarriage was originally black, can see when remove the gas tank too...all black (not from aftermarket or dealer undercoating).  Conflicts with the authenticity manual which says it was oxide or something. 

Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on July 17, 2015, 08:46:41 PM
Finally soda blasted :) ...well 95%, some small spots left to finish up.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on October 04, 2015, 11:17:20 AM
A few updates:

All welding done.  Soda blasting done.  Epoxy primer done (RM).  Convertible top disassembled, sand blasted and painted (Pic in heated booth drying).  Starting on body work (all metal/filler)....prolly have 100 hours left sanding ;)  Did about 10 hours yesterday (last pic---still a lot of work).  My friend and I teaching my 15 yr old son how to do the body work too. 

As a side note, my 65 Eldorado (black one), is at my welder friend for some work on drivers side :)  Drove the blue Eldo 1200+ miles this year.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on October 20, 2015, 12:04:20 PM
Lots of progress this month.  Hood, trunk lid, fenders, etc..

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on November 04, 2015, 10:12:02 PM
May not look like much below in pics, but my friend Vince and I did 40+ hours of block sanding (80 grit) and bodywork on the drivers side since last update.  Now onto 180 grit block sanding.  Getting close on this side.  Another coat of Epoxy primer (black) over our work (second pic is when still wet), and then some DP26. 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on November 10, 2015, 06:23:47 PM
Top blasted, primed and painted.  New side bolt kits from Convertible Specialties installed.  Exhaust manifolds blasted and painted w/ Eastwood pt (pic below b4 paint).  Heater core cover blasted, epoxy primed, painted and done.

Body work time up to around 80+ hours now (block sanding, etc..)
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on November 10, 2015, 06:36:05 PM
A few more.

Exhaust manifold painted
Front bumper-re-chome
Random Top parts, seat speaker.

Fan shroud/horn though from my '65 Eldo :)

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on November 12, 2015, 01:09:24 AM
Finally have the lines on the drivers side almost perfect!! :) :) :) .  Finished with some icing, sanding tonight, then epoxy primer, then DP26 primer.  Now just sanding of primer on this side a few times and done (20 hrs??)  :)  ....then the passenger side which does not need as much work...hopefully.  Check out how straight this bad boy is now :)

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on November 13, 2015, 03:54:36 PM
nice. Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on December 14, 2015, 12:08:44 AM
Sure and thanks!

Here's some of the passenger side.  Major body work done now.  Sprayed with blocking primer DP26, and not just wet sanding left for the body-pass side. Used red epoxy on this side to see better when block sanding. Driver side done.  Still have fenders, trunk and hood, but all in good shape except for one fender front.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on December 20, 2015, 02:29:10 AM
Body ready for paint!
Still need to finish fenders/trunk/ hood, but those in really good shape except pass fender. Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 03, 2016, 01:37:53 AM
The final pieces :) !!  Need to block sand all after DP26 coats tonight, then some work on bottom of trunk/skirts.  Maybe 10-15 hours of bodywork left ;)  Getting close to completing bodywork!
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 05, 2016, 01:25:28 AM
Hood done (wet sanded) and ready for final paint on top. Redid the glue spots under hood,  My 15 yr old son  helping :).  Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on January 05, 2016, 05:10:19 AM
Nice work!

How did you glue the two parts of the hood?
What kind of product did you use?

I used some non hardening filler for my hood. But it was a pain to do. Still need to do something similar for the trunk lid. Makes an awful noise when closing.

Best regards,
Nicolas
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 06, 2016, 01:04:02 AM
Quote from: DeVille68 on January 05, 2016, 05:10:19 AM
Nice work!

How did you glue the two parts of the hood?
What kind of product did you use?

I used some non hardening filler for my hood. But it was a pain to do. Still need to do something similar for the trunk lid. Makes an awful noise when closing.

Best regards,
Nicolas

Thanks!  Used the Fusor in the third pic.  (Panel adhesive).  It was fairly easy to do.  However, we made a mistake.  We should have put it on *before* getting the top of the hood perfect.  I was thinking that last night after finishing.  Sure enough after turning over this evening, there were ripples in the top of hood, so had to do about 1/3 of top of hood ALL over again...ugggh.  4-5 hours of extra work.  Live and learn :)  Maybe this tip of doing Fusor before will help others.   The top of hood is now straight and SOLID!  When I shut this at a show...should be no more loud noises :)

Also, ordered all new wiring from YNZ today.    Having them make what is not in repro (door wiring/Window motors, etc..).    Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 09, 2016, 02:04:25 PM
Almost done with the trunk lid :)  Some work in the middle of trunk, then the skirts.  Fixed around the fender side light yesterday too.  Tonight finish and paint trunk, fenders, skirts with DP26 primer.   
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 13, 2016, 01:58:45 AM
Spent another 15-20 hours this week perfecting the trunk lid/fenders.   Multiple coats of DP 26 and block sanding-wet  (love the 400 Mirka)...now happy with the results ;)  Trunk lid came out nice...just about ready for paint.  Still need to wet sand the fenders w/ 400.

Getting ready to buy the Marlin Blue Iridescent paint...RM Diamont or Glasurit...not sure yet. 

Ordered new top w/ glass/zipper from Electron Top at my friend Scott's shop...he  will install top at his upholstery shop. 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 15, 2016, 01:41:24 AM
Getting fenders ready for final painting.  Underside all done after taping up and sprain with under-hood black.  May buy blue paint tomorrow and do inside of trunk lid :) 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on January 15, 2016, 11:44:15 AM
Chuck,

You probably know this already, but for those who may not, be certain to hang the parts in the orientation they are installed on the vehicle ie: the fenders hanging on a horse, doors vertically and deck lid horizontally. This allows the metallic particles to settle in the same manner. Not doing this may result in a different metallic appearance from panel to panel.

Beautiful job and a great color choice.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 15, 2016, 01:34:14 PM
Ralph thanks for the reminder tip.  That is the plan, similar to the Jan 3rd pic above with fenders.   Checking into using our friends booth too :)  Thanks!  Chuck 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 16, 2016, 01:12:37 AM
Yesss! :)  Finally got some blue on the car ;)  My good friend Vince really did a great job tonight with the basecoat/clear coat.  Under trunk lid and inside fender ends complete. 

One pic is just the Diamont basecoat blue-1966 code 24, and the next is with clear coat.

I will tape up tomorrow and put rest of parts to paint in my storage, so no updates for a while.  Convertible top on order, and once arrives will bring car down to upholstery shop before painting.  Also want to do rear springs now, and rear arms before paint, so will be a couple months before final paint on rest of car.

Thanks! Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on January 16, 2016, 02:29:45 PM
Hi Chuck

You are really making progress!
Regarding adhesive: Never heard from this company. But I used a kind of similar product.
So you just jammed the adhesive between the two metal pieces?
I had a hard time to reach the inner regions and to build up a large enough pile...


Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 16, 2016, 03:25:46 PM
Here is the link to product:

http://www.lord.com/products-and-solutions/adhesives/fusor-110b111b-metal-bonding-adhesive-(fast)

"GM: Panel bonding per GM aftermarket spec GM6449G
Applications: Panel bonding and weld bonding of quarter panels, rear body panels, roof panels, door skins, van side panels and outer truck bed panels"

Also on eBay, but I got from local body shop supply:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lord-Fusor-Metal-Bonding-Adhesive-110B-Fast-/271199222746

I did not go crazy with it.  I just used a glove and with my finger, went around old adhesive circles in between the panels, but only where I could reach.  I only removed the hard adhesive that went through the small 1/8" or so hole, probably when smushed together at factory (1/2 were already gone anyway).  I then put the end of the fusor gun in the hole and put maybe a 1/2 golfball or less in the hole, making sure not to "push" the panels apart.

Again in hindsight I should have done before any body work.  If I do again, I would also apply fusor, then flip hood so it sits in normal position on car, which would let any extra fusor "drip" out an maybe minimize ripples.  Sucked that I had to redo bodywork again after I applied, as hood was perfect before (fusor application cause some ripples on top), but happy it's done as the hood is now SOLID!!! :)

Thanks, Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on January 16, 2016, 04:57:46 PM
Chuck,

Do you have an explanation for the ripples in the hood being caused by the panel bond adhesive? Is the adhesive known to expand after it’s cured? Where the ripples only in areas where the adhesive was applied?
I ask because the hood on my Eldorado. â€" completely finished - sounds like a tambourine. I was going to use seam sealer or panel adhesive but I’m now looking for plan “B”.

I did have an awful time with my black Brougham. The passenger side of the hood showed long front to back waves. They were not there after wet sanding the primer but showed up after final buffing when viewed at a certain shallow angle. We stripped the hood and repainted it, same thing. We stripped it again and this time I wet sanded it to 2000 grit with a long board. The high spots came out like chrome and looked like wave fronts on the ocean. The metal also appeared to have a different grain pattern in this area. We solved the problem with multiple coats of high build primer and light pressure block sanding to prevent panel deflection. The painter never saw anything like this before. I could only conclude it was a metallurgical defect in the sheet stock or some anomaly in the stamping process….Drove us crazy.

Ralph
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 16, 2016, 06:46:25 PM
Ralph, here is what my friend Vince an I were thinking.  I am fairly new to bodywork, with only a few years of doing, but my friend Vince has being doing as a hobby for over 30 yrs. 

Since the hood was upside down, and some of the top hood panel sealant was missing on 1/2 of the holes, it must have been in an unnatural, warped like position when upside down on the stands.  Before we flipped over, it was straight after all of the bodywork.  However, we had to be real careful block sanding the building primer as the hood was "flopping" all over the place.  We didn't need much filler, but it took a couple of nights before finally getting straight. 

I used the fusor in a few other small spots on car and it didn't expand.  I hypothesize that the fuser just stuck the hood panels together in the unnatural position when flipped.  We also could have left the hood in the normal position, and then crawled under the stand in hindsight, as that may have worked too (and kept our bodywork straight). 

For other doing, I would do this way *before* doing any body work.  (normal position, crawl under and seal)

It was a mixed blessing as once we put filler on the 3 spots that had issues (probably each the diameter of a basketball, the hood was much more rigid when block sanding.  It is unbelievably firm now, similar to the trunk lid.  The way it happened is we were prepping the bottom for paint, and my friend Vince started taking off the brittle sealant.  I said what are you doing....then we brainstormed might as well seal it all as that should solve the flapping of the hood.  We slept on the idea and decided to do the next day.  Some other bodywork friend used a more pliable sealant, but the body shop I went to said try the fusor, along with me searching the Internet to see if others have used and I found one other on an Eastwood forum that used a similar product :)  So we went for it!

All of my other Caddy's have been very loud when closing, as the top metal hits the bottom (tambourine) :), but I hope this one is nice and solid.  After another coat of building primer, it looks fine. 

My friend Vince said had never seen a car with the rippling like that either.

Chuck

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on January 17, 2016, 05:22:41 PM
Thanks Chuck.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: blugg on January 19, 2016, 03:28:43 PM
Quote from: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on January 15, 2016, 11:44:15 AM
Chuck,

You probably know this already, but for those who may not, be certain to hang the parts in the orientation they are installed on the vehicle ie: the fenders hanging on a horse, doors vertically and deck lid horizontally. This allows the metallic particles to settle in the same manner. Not doing this may result in a different metallic appearance from panel to panel.

Beautiful job and a great color choice.

How true this can be for metallics.    As difficult as it can be spraying all the panels at the same time an the same paint "batch" removes some mis-matched laying of the metallic an color tone risk.   silver an blue metallics being the hardest to match otherwise.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 27, 2016, 09:45:51 PM
Thanks for the comments Jeff! 

Scored some NOS bumper ends this week.  These are awesome :) :)

Already have a mint re-chromed center, so just need the small tops on these re-chromed.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on January 31, 2016, 06:27:08 PM
Package on the way to YNZ tomorrow!  http://www.ynzyesterdaysparts.com Getting new wiring for entire car, not just the ones in repro (which YNZ sells from the two main manufacturers).  Took a while to gather all together, even though all labeled.  Grabbed some better condition harnesses from my parts car.   I also reattached all the wiring together to make it easier when they receive, along with labeling everything.  Chuck

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on February 05, 2016, 12:15:49 AM
Seat belts out for resto.  Went with Python restoration this time (last set was Ssnake Oyl).  SOyl did a nice job last time, but color match was not perfect.

Figured I  try Python :) 

Ordered rest of parts from Hydroe for top. Top motor, cylinders, weather-stripping, etc, new...around $1200 w/ CLC discount.
A few items from topsdown. 

Ordered new dash pad from OPGI.   Dash was $680.  Although I have a mint original one, I want the used one in my '65 Eldo, which is the same color pad (that car is on the road as a driver).  I also heard OPGI retooled them recently. 


I need to gather some small chrome parts for re-chroming.  Also still  need the rear center bumper re-chromed. 
Less than $1.5K in parts left on list to buy...so getting close finally. I'm sure I may have missed some items :)
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 19, 2016, 06:51:08 PM
As mentioned in earlier post, it would be a couple months for an update.  Another coat of DP 26 blocking primer on car and I wet sanded it all again :)   Painting of car finally started!!  Jambs done, and hung the doors and fenders back on car.  Getting ready to put the trunk lid and hood in plance so my friend Bill (painter of final coat) will do all at once with all the parts/panels the way they will hang.  Took the lower rearvalance piece out of booth.  (Painting in heated paint booth at my friend Bill's body shop.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 21, 2016, 02:34:38 PM
A nice long high pressure hot wash in booth...heat dry overnight, rest of parts in place, and ready to go!  Covered trunk and inside with plastic to keep any dust down.  Final PRE and tack rag done.  Bill looking to paint later as it's all ready :)
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on March 21, 2016, 03:02:39 PM
Chuck,

It's gonna be beautiful!
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 22, 2016, 09:53:00 PM
Thanks Ralph!  Here's a few pics from the paint booth.  I didn't want to walk in again and get pics...will do when dry :)  Took the hood out of booth for final clear coats to get inside top of fenders in heated booth.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: savemy67 on March 23, 2016, 09:50:49 AM
Hello Chuck,

I feel like you should hand out cigars when this project is complete!  Great job.  Keep up the good work.

Christopher Winter
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on March 23, 2016, 05:19:51 PM
nice!  8)

Great garage you have!
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 24, 2016, 10:35:25 AM
Quote from: DeVille68 on March 23, 2016, 05:19:51 PM
nice!  8)

Great garage you have!

Thanks all!  (These pics in my friend Bill's garage)

Here's one out of booth...wet sanding started



Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 24, 2016, 06:20:58 PM
Around 4 coats of base, then around 7 coats of clear.  Razor to any minor imperfections, then wet sanding earlier today, 600, 1000, 1500, 2000.  Back in booth for more coats of clear :)  That is water dripping off trunk lid as we use  a high pressure gun to constantly clean while sanding...well Bill did most of it ;) 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: blugg on March 24, 2016, 09:28:26 PM
monumental doing!!   lots of wet sanding on hand....then moar clear after wet-sanding....this is how the most pristine cars look pristene!

Great color.....great hurdles lept!   Awesome job!
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on April 01, 2016, 11:07:54 PM
Thanks Jeff.  The wet sanding really paid off.  Looks great and nice and smooth.  I wound up doing a lot of the sanding.  Was nervous using the 600 grit, but got the hang of it.  Just went up to 1500 on rest of parts.  After the wet sanding, some cleaning with RM 831, then tack and more coats of clear by my friend Bill.  Car back at my house now.  I just need to put the car back together.   Not as worried about that part as I have done before :)  Hoping to start assembling the convertible parts this weekend so I can get  down to the top guy this month. 

Once I reassemble the car will go back to Bill for some buffing.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on May 20, 2016, 09:50:48 PM
Convertible top frame done and installed.  Whew, this was a lot of work.  Also installed new cylinders, lines and pump.  I also got the new brass bushing kit from Hydroe, alone with replacing all the rest of hardware on frame except the 8 mounting bolts, which I restored.  Restored latch with new front chrome/hook/spring kit. Even cleaned up up hose clips in tumbler and painted original color :)   Appointment with shop on 6/14 to install new Electron top.   Still need to bleed air out of lines. New weather-stripping just test fitted.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on May 24, 2016, 03:17:01 PM
Good work!
In your picture where the pump is visible it seems to me that you still have some air in the circuit?!
The bleeding procedure is quite simple. Explained in the service manual.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on May 24, 2016, 04:52:16 PM
Yes, good catch.  I have had it on the To Do list ;)  Thanks!
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 14, 2016, 09:29:25 PM
Brought the car down to Upholstery shop today to install the new Electron convertible top!  Have not posted for a while as I was prepping my '67 Nova...won it's First AACA Grand National 1st place award on June 4th!   The '66 Cad will also be entered in AACA shows.   Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on June 15, 2016, 12:00:08 AM
Chaz,

Congratulations! They ain't easy  to come by
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 16, 2016, 06:11:00 PM
Thanks Ralph!

Here's some pics of the new Electron top.  Installed by trim shop today.   All lines bled and goes up and down fine.

Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on June 17, 2016, 03:37:51 PM
nice!

Did you also install the additional insulation pad from the front bow to the first bow?

My 68 Deville is missing this pad too - most Cadillacs I saw sofar where missing this - but this was original from factory! Should give you a quieter interior and some better noise and heat insulation.  (was is factory in 66 too? )
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on June 17, 2016, 04:57:58 PM
Nicolas,

You're correct about the pad from the header to the first bow. It was factory standard for many years.
It seemed to fade away with replacement tops as convertibles aged. Part of the reason could be that later owners didn't know it should be there .  I ordered the pad with my top from Electron and it only cost a few dollars. There is additional work for the installer but I don't have the incremental price of installation. 
Given that convertibles are noisy, some folks may not have seen the value to lower noise or more  insulation.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 17, 2016, 06:16:24 PM
Quote from: DeVille68 on June 17, 2016, 03:37:51 PM
nice!

Did you also install the additional insulation pad from the front bow to the first bow?

My 68 Deville is missing this pad too - most Cadillacs I saw sofar where missing this - but this was original from factory! Should give you a quieter interior and some better noise and heat insulation.  (was is factory in 66 too? )

Thanks!! Yes, definitely ordered the pads.  They were $70 or so for pair from Electron tops.  However, the pad is longer than the first bow...either way the pads are nice :)
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on June 17, 2016, 09:02:06 PM
The pad Nick is referring to is virtually an interior headlining sheet that goes from the header bow to the first bow, and covers the full width of the area above the front seat.

The Pair of long pads will be the side pads that go from the header bow to the rear bow, and act as a side support to do two jobs.   Support the top material as it traverses the area from the flat top to the side, bolstering the side curve, and a locating link to keep the bows in alignment.

Bruce. >:D
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 17, 2016, 10:47:59 PM
Quote from: The Tassie Devil(le) on June 17, 2016, 09:02:06 PM
The pad Nick is referring to is virtually an interior headlining sheet that goes from the header bow to the first bow, and covers the full width of the area above the front seat.

The Pair of long pads will be the side pads that go from the header bow to the rear bow, and act as a side support to do two jobs.   Support the top material as it traverses the area from the flat top to the side, bolstering the side curve, and a locating link to keep the bows in alignment.

Bruce. >:D

  Thanks for the clarification Bruce.  Upon further inspection, I did order the "front" pad.  I see in the Electron catalog, yes, it is $70.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on June 18, 2016, 04:43:36 AM
So this "front pad" for 70$ is something else.
How make this correct insulation sheet from the front bow to the first bow?

Could I add this to my top now?
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on June 18, 2016, 06:10:56 AM
I believe it has to be added to the top before the cover material is installed.

My '72 has the scissors top, and that definitely is sewn down the sides to the side padding, around the front bow, and the centre part is padded (I can feel it through the torn part.)

Mine looks original, but the actual top material has been replaced.

One day, I will attempt to sew a patch where it is torn, but it hasn't torn any further since I purchased the car in 2007.

Bruce. >:D

PS.   The different colouring is because of fading over the years.   It looks like the lighter shaded area is open to the sun when the top is down, and maybe the previous owner/s, didn't bother to fit the hard boots when the top was down.   And I can understand this not happening.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on June 18, 2016, 06:15:40 AM
Thanks for the pictures!
The only picture I found so far was one from an Ebay listing - it is from a 69 Convertible.
Now that you mentioned it - the picture of the 69 top also seems to have a stitching.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 03, 2017, 11:32:42 PM
Haven't posted in a while due to my Dad's health last year as some of you know.

Here are some recent pics.

All chrome done, except for 3-4 pieces
Grill getting re-anodized next week
Rear springs on way
Radio rebuilt at shop, picking up next week. 
Bottom line, I have around 99% of items done for reassembly. 

Pics are installing of upper and lower rear control arms.  New bushings installed.  Was installing springs today, but got wrong ones from Summit (Moog), so ordered a set from Eaton today. 

My son Alex using old school torque wrench to tighten to 65 Ft/lbs...I like the old style better than the ones that click....broke two clickers over the years, but this one still going.  Best tool purchase I made, except for the lift.  Not sure how some do this w/o a lift, especially with frozen bolts. 

Shop manual says just lift opposite lower control arm with jack, but for extra safety, especially since I don't have drive shaft installed, added the tower jack to slowly let down. Spring came out beautifully.

FYI, the entire underneath of car painting black, exactly how it was before I started resto, but got a little dirty from the water spaying at paint booth to prep car.  I just need to clean as it is all done.  Yes, I know I should have replaced spring, bushings and shocks before painting car ;)  Next time!
Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Bentley on June 05, 2017, 06:51:39 PM
Hi Chuck,

I was looking at some earlier photos you posted of your convertible top. I really like the beige external fabric color with the black interior color and black powdercoating on the frame. Was this an available color combination from the factory? My '68 DeVille came from the factory with a beige top and beige frame. I will be restoring my top in the future and really prefer your color combination, but also want to keep it as close to original as possible.

Wes
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on June 05, 2017, 07:55:08 PM
Wes,

The top frame was painted to match the convertible material lining color which in some cases was similar the the outside of the fabric.
In '66 the tops were white, black, blue, green, covert and sandalwood. The white and black had black linings, while the covert and sandalwood had beige (light tan) lining. Reproduction top materials available today have only black or beige linings.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 05, 2017, 09:56:53 PM
Just to add, the third pic above in the series of pics show the color a little better, it's white from Electron top.   Not a bright, bright white, but white :)  Thanks, Chuck

Oh, Eaton confirmed my order on the phone today and confirmed that they have the exact springs, in stock.  Measured the old ones on phone with them and measurements the same, with correct ends.   
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 05, 2017, 10:09:17 PM
Quote from: Bentley on June 05, 2017, 06:51:39 PM
Hi Chuck,

I was looking at some earlier photos you posted of your convertible top. I really like the beige external fabric color with the black interior color and black powdercoating on the frame. Was this an available color combination from the factory? My '68 DeVille came from the factory with a beige top and beige frame. I will be restoring my top in the future and really prefer your color combination, but also want to keep it as close to original as possible.

Wes

Wes, also take a look at post 7 in this long thread and you'll see the black under the gas tank.  I have 6 of the 65-66 cads and all have been black (along with one I saw in a pick-n-pull)...not talking about the undercoating.  Also, whenever I remove original bolts on my cars, you can see the black.  Not sure why the authenticity manual just lists grey, but grey was probably on many of the cars too.  I just haven't run into one yet.  Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Bill Young on June 06, 2017, 11:08:07 AM
Chuck , not trying to be a jerk , but in the interest of helping you get it right as you are pouring your heart and wallet into this car. In the photo you show looking at the back window of the new conv. top and rear roof area concerning the Wireon strip that goes outside across from left to right on the rear roof bow the Arrowhead stainless clips that fasten with the single phillips head screw are supposed to be positioned farther out and down the side of the bow. Not on top as the trim shop positioned them. Check photos of other 1965 thru 1970 Conv. tops and you will see the difference.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Bentley on June 06, 2017, 03:57:30 PM
Ralph and Chuck,

Thanks for the explanation on colors.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 06, 2017, 06:12:36 PM
Quote from: Bill Young on June 06, 2017, 11:08:07 AM
Chuck , not trying to be a jerk , but in the interest of helping you get it right as you are pouring your heart and wallet into this car. In the photo you show looking at the back window of the new conv. top and rear roof area concerning the Wireon strip that goes outside across from left to right on the rear roof bow the Arrowhead stainless clips that fasten with the single phillips head screw are supposed to be positioned farther out and down the side of the bow. Not on top as the trim shop positioned them. Check photos of other 1965 thru 1970 Conv. tops and you will see the difference.

No problem Bill.  I did some research.  First, using Bing and Google, found about 1/2 the cars are around 4 inches or so longer on each side, and the others are the same as mine.  I checked with Electron, major supplier and where my top came from.  They have been recommending to authorized installers for decades to only put the wireon straps around 4.5 to 5 inches from the top seam.  Why...well they had so many problems back in the day with tops ripping in that area. (I'm surprised there was no recall, or maybe there is a service bulletin on it). 

Next, checked with the installer, who has been putting on tops for 30+ years.  He said that he can easily put another one on if I want, and extend down a little further.  However, he warned me that he has seen a ton of tops rip in that area (He said w/o me mentioning Electron call), and did not recommend doing it.

Good info and I didn't even notice.  For now I think I will leave as is, but appreciate any similar resto comments.

Thanks!  Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 06, 2017, 06:17:48 PM
Quote from: DeVille68 on June 18, 2016, 06:15:40 AM
Thanks for the pictures!
The only picture I found so far was one from an Ebay listing - it is from a 69 Convertible.
Now that you mentioned it - the picture of the 69 top also seems to have a stitching.

I also asked Electron about this front pad.  They knew what I was talking about but they do not sell.  They do sell the material, and stated that some installers will put these on the Cadillacs.  They could not confirm what was original back then, but they said somewhat popular with the Cadillacs. 

I also asked my installer.  He said he already has the material, but not typical to install.  However, he said he could install one if I wanted.   He mentioned maybe some else may sell already sewn, (Acme??)

Bottom line, if interested, make sure installer has the material in stock, if not add to the Electron order, and they should me able to make this extra piece.

Thanks, Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 07, 2017, 10:56:27 PM
Whew, rear end suspension finally done.  Big job.  Replaced all 8 control arm bushings.   New Eaton coil springs.  New Gabriel shocks.  Next is cleaning up some of the dust underneath (all painted underneath, just need to clean up the body shop dust/hose spray)  and installing brake and fuel lines.  Was too tired to take anymore pics, but glad how it came out :)
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on June 07, 2017, 11:03:57 PM
Chuck,

Looks mighty nice. You'll forget the tired every time you look at the job well done
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 16, 2017, 07:31:39 PM
Thank you Ralph. 

Also appreciate the lead on Industrial Metal Plating.  Got the grill pieces back today and they look great-all anodized.  (I did not send the sides as I have NOS ones).  Now I just need to reassemble :)

Thanks! Chuck

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 20, 2017, 06:55:22 PM
More good stuff :) 
Some wiring I forgot and sent to YNZ.  Not all in pairs as I have some NOS lights.  YNZ can do an entire 66 Caddy now (and 95% of a 65).

Forgot some chrome parts, so those on way. 
Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 20, 2017, 07:03:22 PM
Grill 90% reassembled.  Just need to bend more of tabs in back.  What a tedious job.  Took about 3 hours to put back together.  May use some tiny specks of Alum JB weld for stability.  I di not use a jig, or hammer.  Assembled on a thick carpeted floor.  Need to make sure you do not twist the spaces, as the anodizing will spider.  I have 4-5 extra pieces that I tested on first.  Spread with a screwdriver back and forth vs twisting to make space larger, but just enough so still tight. 
The anodizing is unlike chrome as you may have some tiny specs here and there and will not be 100% perfect, like the level of nice show chrome.  Tight to see unless I pointed the tiy specs out, but many are towards the inner back part of grill and you can't see anyway.  I compared to the NOS side pieces, and looks just as good.

Oh, last two pics below are the "before" pics.

Happy with the results!!
Chuck

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on July 02, 2017, 03:26:31 PM
Hi Chuck

Why did you choose Gabriel shocks? What product did you choose? Are these true hydraulic shocks?

I read that today's shocks are too stiff and add unwanted stiffness to the suspension. Back in the day the shocks were pure hydraulic.
I do not know if the original Cadillac shocks had the gas chamber pressure filled. I am guessing not. Every replacement shock I read describes them as gas charged but what I really want to know is that there is no additional pressure inside the gas chamber. Do the adjustable shocks give me some advantage in dialing the stiffness / damping?

Best regards,
Nicolas
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on July 02, 2017, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: DeVille68 on July 02, 2017, 03:26:31 PM
Hi Chuck

Why did you choose Gabriel shocks? What product did you choose? Are these true hydraulic shocks?

I read that today's shocks are too stiff and add unwanted stiffness to the suspension. Back in the day the shocks were pure hydraulic.
I do not know if the original Cadillac shocks had the gas chamber pressure filled. I am guessing not. Every replacement shock I read describes them as gas charged but what I really want to know is that there is no additional pressure inside the gas chamber. Do the adjustable shocks give me some advantage in dialing the stiffness / damping?

Best regards,
Nicolas
Not sure on the official answer for the original, but these looked the closest.  Of course mine could have been replaced, but they looked original to my low mileage car.  I liked that they were all black too, vs any labels or brighter colors.  Eaton springs sells hydraulic for $300 or so and claim that is what came with the Caddy, but I will gamble first for $40, as I have these in my Nova and they seem fine :)
Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on July 03, 2017, 12:17:55 PM
Hi Chuck

Yes, I do know this company. I heard they are selling shocks too but they don't give any data about theirs shocks.
You are probably right, choose a simple shock first.
I just found this article: http://www.hotrod.com/articles/high-performance-shock-absorbers/ (http://www.hotrod.com/articles/high-performance-shock-absorbers/)

They mention that the standard two chamber shock (like to ones you have) are usually filled with low pressure gas. And that the single chamber shock are usually filled with high pressure gas to prevent air bubbles to form in the oil.

I might go with a simple twin-chamber single adjustable shock.

Just found a interesting article on the QA1 website. They claim that their twin tube shock does not add "artificial spring" force. http://www.qa1.net/suspension/shock-technology/street-performance-racing-twin-tube-shocks (http://www.qa1.net/suspension/shock-technology/street-performance-racing-twin-tube-shocks)
This shock would maybe well suited for me or any old Caddy.


Do you have a picture of your front convertible top insulation?
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on July 03, 2017, 10:03:31 PM
Posts 86 and 96 in this thread have some pics of underside of top, if that is what you mean.  Thanks for the links!  Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on July 03, 2017, 10:20:14 PM
Painted door armrests today.  I had to go through a couple to get a good passenger side.  Took a while to clean up the old ones.  Used the SEM soap, Plastic prep 38353 and SEM white 15313.  Also painted steering column and column sleeve.  Took a few hours surprisingly as I thought these would be short tasks :)  Scuffed some of the undercarriage and repainted as I did not like some areas.  Blended fine.  Installed all brake clips, gathered all brackets for cleanup to install brake lines this week.  Tapped new holes for the two bolts that broke off holding the emergency brake clips.  Stole emergency brake bracket off my parts car as mine was all bent up. 

Oh, yesterday removed all exhaust manifold bolts.  All came off yesterday very easily!!
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on September 02, 2017, 10:41:21 PM
Rear brakes, driver side done-mostly new hardware or restored.  Drums cut.  New emergency brake cables installed (with hardware restored).  New wheel cylinders.   New brake lines halfway installed.  New transmission lines installed.  Engine painted last week, new motor mounts installed.  New transmission mount installed, with restored trans cross mount.  Installed engine and transmission today in car.  Starter restored and painted original black, but will install in car with exhaust manifolds next week.  My son was a big help!!

Oh, I fixed the orange brake spring...now in the lower hole ;)
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on September 13, 2017, 12:11:33 AM
Cranking right along.  Progress each day.  Here are a few pics.  Exhaust manifolds installed with repro bolts-torqued to 60.  crossover pipe installed on water pump...yes with 2 o rings ;)  torqued to 20+.  Starter detailed and installed, steering box detailed and installed-bolts re-plated-torqued to 40.  New main ground strap installed.  Rear brakes done, drums turned and detailed.  Yes, I have a few spots to touch up with paint, and some dust and water spots, but it will clean up nice.  A couple minor nicks from engine install, will touch up, but won't see.  I always leave old spark plugs in while painting, but of course they will be replaced ;)  Oh, I used all Felpro gaskets.  Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on September 13, 2017, 09:41:45 AM
Looks great Chuck.
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on September 17, 2017, 11:14:13 PM
Thanks Ralph!

New NOS transmission rear seal installed.  Also had to tap new hole for muffler clamp as old one broke off trans shaft.  Driveshaft balanced at shop and also needed two U joints.  Cleaned mating surfaces.  Installed in car.  Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on November 05, 2017, 04:54:26 PM
Finally finished installing stainless exhaust.  Thought this would be easy, especially with NOS clamps, lift and tall tripod high lift jack stand, but was a lot of work and took a while (1/2 day).  I found if you pounded in  some pipe with a 2x4 and hammer, was a little easier, as it prevented system from twisting.   The stainless clamps don't always tighten enough to prevent any moving.  If you tighten clamp too much the nut will break off, happened on one.  Just some minor tweaks left on spacing, straightening.  Only an inch from driveshaft, so have to check my other case if that close.  Most of underneath on car done now finally.  Sway bar and a few small items (emer brake cable clamps, Pittman arm).
Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on November 05, 2017, 05:45:33 PM
The alignment past the tailshaft doesn't look right to me.

Bruce. >:D

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on November 05, 2017, 06:16:00 PM
Thanks Bruce.  Yes, I think a little off.  Not sure of the exact angle of the pipe with the flat side.  Have some pictures in the shop manual, and they give dimensions of some spacing for exhaust, but there is not much wiggle room like my Nova :)

I also need to move tailpipe over to pass side about an inch or two as tailpipe not exiting at notch, but tried everything and didn't want to force it.  Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on November 05, 2017, 06:26:27 PM
Looking back at the picture of the pipe from under the transmission mount back to the muffler, the tube simply is too straight.

Looks like the fabricator didn't want to add any bends for clearance.

A couple of simple, conveniently placed 5 degree bends would give heaps of clearance.

Bruce. >:D
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on November 05, 2017, 08:11:07 PM
Hard to distinguish in pic, bit that is the resonator.  That actually looks right on, as the spacing is great around the trans mount curve.   There is a 2" piece that has a flat spot across most of the pipe.  Not sure on the exact position of that pipe.  One I adjust that, should hopefully be good.  If not I will post in Tech forum with more detailed pics.

Fabricator is Classic Exhaust out of Ohio.  Thanks!  Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 07, 2018, 09:42:39 PM
In between snowmobiling this winter, took the extra step of cleaning all the part that needed plating-yellow zinc dichromate :)  They came out nice...all 28 lbs.  A few I just threw in as extras/spares since sometimes the items don't all come out as nice.  Attached is a good reference for the parts that are yellow zinc dichromate for the 1965-66 authenticity manual :)  I do have the before pictures to show that these were yellow zinc dichromate before cleaning.  Many duplicates, and some already done, so pics are not all the items. 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on March 08, 2018, 10:43:35 AM
Chuck,

The gold cad fasteners were a carry over from '65 and used on early '66 production. My Eldorado, built 3rd week of September, had them but all my other '66s have had silver cad parts. There's no specific date for the change over.  What is the build date of your car?

BTW, the parts look terrific, but any new pics of the assembled car?

Ralph
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 08, 2018, 05:57:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on March 08, 2018, 10:43:35 AM
Chuck,

The gold cad fasteners were a carry over from '65 and used on early '66 production. My Eldorado, built 3rd week of September, had them but all my other '66s have had silver cad parts. There's no specific date for the change over.  What is the build date of your car?

BTW, the parts look terrific, but any new pics of the assembled car?

Ralph

Thanks!, and to clarify, many of the parts in pic are parts that are that color in both years.  Agree, there are some differences, especially hood hinge area, Upper control arms...  I have found a little more "yellow" on '65s too
Yes, there are some not pictured that are not this color, but bare metal or silver.  The hardest to figure out was the linkage and gas pedal area. 
I believe this car was Summer, but will have to double check as I have a number of 65-66.  I did mask all the parts for this '66 with the same color tape, so I could keep track.  I also have before/after pics and zoomed in on the "yellow" for documentation.  I use a different color tape/marker for the '65s.  I still need to compile a list :)

Oh, a few (very few) items in pic were not "yellow", but are totally hidden like the headlight mount small screws that I just did to cleanup.

It is up on lift,-top  and have not taken any pics recently.  Once the snow melts, I will take car out on bottom and snap some more :)  Chuck

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on March 22, 2018, 10:48:02 PM
My original carb professionally rebuilt by Chris's Carb Shop in Dayton OH.  Tested on running engine before shipped back to me.  They did an excellent job.  I called Dayton, and they referred me to Chris for show quality carbs. Service was excellent.  Notice the different types of plating like the original.  Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on April 01, 2018, 03:48:37 AM
nice!  8)
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on October 18, 2020, 09:31:53 PM
First time this car has been started since 1980  :)  Haven't posted in a while as I was busy working on other Caddy's, like my '65 Eldorado.  Finally running!  Here is video:  https://youtu.be/MycJUnuJmLo  After all the work, started first time, after 2 seconds.  Pic attached is from 2010,before resto started.  Still have some tweaks in engine compartment to finish show quality resto, but almost there.     Chuck. 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: James Landi on October 19, 2020, 07:30:30 AM
Chuck-- love these stories of "resurrections."  What was the mileage and condition of the car that attracted you, and what was necessary and did you do the wake this engine up after its long period of dormancy?  It looks and sounds perfect.  (always seems miraculous when these engines come to life without having to entirely rebuild them--- was this the case for you?)   Gratefully, James
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: spolij on November 30, 2020, 04:09:47 PM
Chuck I have a 66 convertible also. It's gold now but will soon be triple black. I had the same car in the 70s it was triple black. I abandoned it when gas was to go over a dollar a gallon. Wish I still had it no matter what gas cost. Anyway you're not alone I think it is the best looking Cadillac from 60s to the present. I'm in the middle of restoring mine got it all ripped apart except the main body off the frame can handle that. Starting to clean things up and getting ready for prep work and then paint. Good luck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on December 09, 2020, 07:34:31 PM
Very low mileage James, and documented history of car since original owner.  I actually contacted the 3rd owner who's old reg was in glove compartment, and he knew all history.  He is not far from me, 90 mins,  and is looking forward to seeing the car done.  No rebuild on engine, just timing chain proactively.  In hindsight, I should have started with a car in better condition.  This was only supposed to be a driver ;) 
Agree John!  Looks good :)   Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on December 09, 2020, 07:46:57 PM
Video of first ride since 1979 :)

https://youtu.be/caSn4sJLkGE

Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: James Landi on December 10, 2020, 07:47:33 AM
Bravo--- bellissimo... looks terrific...don't see any smoke, or engine issues.   The rear end looks to have a higher than average aspect--- since my first Eldo  at 67, I've always built work arounds to raise the rear beyond the normal height by still employing the air shocks and taking control of the air compressor... the two pluses, in my opinion, are a better overall  ride--- more control on turns and less apt to transfer bumps, and better visibility through the rear view mirror.  Again,  looks great --- congratulations.    James
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on December 10, 2020, 09:47:40 AM
Chuck,

Looks beautiful. That blue is stunning. Now we need daylight pics.

Ralph
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on December 10, 2020, 11:24:29 AM
Thanks all!  Will check height once bumpers, rear seat etc...installed.  Funny James as when I replaced the springs with new Eatons, I measured the old to compare, and they were exactly the same height, but replaced anyway :)

Here is a daylight pic in my driveway with my 67 Nova (late grandfather original owner) in background that I did, full resto too :)  That one was 1000 or so hours, the Caddy a little more time than that ;)  Hard to tell in pic, but took forever to get straight body lines, prolly 300+ hours just in body work with my friend and I. 

I know you don't see all the factory markings, but I put them all back on, like the "255" on back :)  Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on April 22, 2021, 11:30:53 AM
Getting ready to install fenders.  NOS side lights and NOS fender spears.  NOS crests on side marker.  Yeah, probably won't see all the original "307" chalk, but put it back on.  Replated many of the original bolts too.  Also had speaker re-chromed, and just finished painting the flat black in between the slats. 

FYI, Car in background is not the '66, but my '65 Eldo, blue too :)
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on May 01, 2021, 10:51:59 PM
Finally got the fenders aligned today.  Lines look good, just like before the paint job :) 

Steps:

Check out the lines in the last pic!  Was worth the 1000 hours of body work  :) (Me, my son and friend Vince)

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on May 23, 2021, 10:14:55 PM

Finally done with the hood and it was a bear to install, but easier with many people!  A littler nerve-racking worrying about chipping paint, but went very slow. 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on May 24, 2021, 11:15:53 PM
New Coker triple white bias ply installed today on blasted and painted wheels.  Redid door channel with new flocking material.  Refreshed rubber door bumper stops on front and rear.  Also installed hood lip extension with restored rectangle nuts and bolts. 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on May 27, 2021, 04:02:16 PM
Went to transmission shop today.  Need a trans rebuild.  Been sitting for 3 decades+, so kind of expected :(



Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: blugg on May 28, 2021, 01:55:24 PM
a true nut an bolt restoration

Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 17, 2021, 05:29:05 PM
Yes, thank you Jeff!   
Updates:
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Macabry on June 17, 2021, 06:18:29 PM
Those doorcards are beautiful, good work 👍
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on June 17, 2021, 10:49:49 PM
Thank you!   I just need to put the NOS crests  and door pull/rechromed base on, but will do that the day of installation on door.  Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on July 04, 2021, 10:47:26 AM
Steering wheel done.  Used PC7 to fill in all cracks.  https://www.pcepoxy.com/products/permanent-repair/pc-7-paste-epoxy/ Lot of sanding.  First time painted, saw some sanding scratches, so redid spots with 320, then painted with SEM plastic paint (prepped with SEM wash and SEM plastic prep spray), then my body shop friend put some clear coat on it.  Sanding was 150, 220, 320.  Came out nice. 
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: DeVille68 on July 04, 2021, 04:07:00 PM
nice, I guess you got lucky that no damage was on top where those thousands rips are!  ;D

Best regards,
Nicolas
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on July 12, 2021, 09:15:18 PM
Thanks yes , most, if not all, repairs were on bottom on this one!

Windshield installed today!  Pilkington, with correct LOF etching :)  All newly polished stainless around glass also installed. Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on September 26, 2021, 01:43:56 AM
Found an NOS steering wheel, of course after did all the work on the old one.  Installed the NOS one today.  Will keep restored one as spare :)  Installed all re-chromed steering wheel parts.  Torqued center nut to 35 Ft lbs.  Visors installed.  Restored rear view mirror/bracket installed.  Restored steering wheel center restored with correct looking original thread.  I think mystery solved with orange wires for doors/seat, ignition relay.  Chuck
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on October 11, 2021, 10:26:14 AM
Finished restoration last week!  Goal was to finish before Hershey AACA show Saturday.  Got the car back from glass shop two weeks ago, and worked very hard with my son to finish.  Done at 11pm day before show with decals and some final molding pieces.  The first time driving the car completed was the 2 mile drive to the Hershey show field.  We got a first place junior award, and were the only first place award out of 11 cars in our class.  Glad to be finished. Thanks to many here on the forum, especially Ralph Messina, for all of the help!  Paying it forward as I take a few calls a year helping others, so feel free to contact me with any 65-66 question too.  Will post some more detailed pics in future to wrap up the long thread :)  Thanks, Chuck, and son Alex.   
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on October 11, 2021, 06:13:08 PM
G'day Chuck, and not to forget Alex,

Congratulations on your reaching the end, if one can ever call it that, of your restoration.

Bruce. >:D
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on October 12, 2021, 01:03:00 PM
Quote from: The Tassie Devil(le) on October 11, 2021, 06:13:08 PM
G'day Chuck, and not to forget Alex,

Congratulations on your reaching the end, if one can ever call it that, of your restoration.

Bruce. >:D

Thanks Bruce!  Agree, never really 100% done, as always something else that can be tweaked, added, etc... :)
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: Chuck Swanson on April 01, 2022, 10:31:23 PM
Meant to post these before winter hibernation.  This was the second ride in the car, mid October.  Brought it to the Cadillac dealer in Syracuse where my son works as a service tech! They all loved the car, especially the owner!  This '66 was back at a Cadillac dealer again for the first time in decades!
Title: Re: 66 DeVille Convertible resto
Post by: OLD PUEBLO RICO on August 11, 2022, 01:34:39 PM
This is one of the best threads I've ever read through. Thank you for the inspiration as I begin my project 1966 CDV!