Author Topic: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration  (Read 5128 times)

Offline Cape Cod Fleetwood

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #220 on: January 01, 2018, 11:57:54 PM »
I've owned my pride and joy for 17 days, I have 14 receipts - as of today - with more to come.
Is this how it works from now on? LOL!
Happy New Year!
Laurie!
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Offline Carl Fielding

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #221 on: January 02, 2018, 01:05:15 AM »
Yes'm. Save those nickels and save those dimes. Welcome back to Cadillac , 'Fleetwood !  - CC , 1/1/'18

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #222 on: January 02, 2018, 05:54:23 AM »
It's a life altering disease. Caddyholisum. The symptoms are. You will find your self on this site more than any other ( checking it a minimum on 20 times a day) You will also find yourself on eBay, Craigslist and rock auto In a constant unrelenting search for parts (needed or not) or your next caddy fix (everybody knows you can't own just 1) then you get to the storage problem for the multiple car's you have and all the part's you don't need ( but have to have) it goes on and on.

Am I right y'all

Anything I missed?
 
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #223 on: January 02, 2018, 05:55:47 AM »
Its no longer, general, inquiries.  The car has been found , decided upon and a full blown restoration is underway. I mean ten or 11 Separate  threads are now evident. In the quest to restore any beloved car as its evident this is , one could see 25, 30 or much more threads started a s you continue to look for untold number of parts or information. Is not that what a Separate  area  " Restoration " is for. If you have a car " for sale" do not we have a Separate  are for that. When does the quest for information become not general, but specific, for one model year or the other. I can see logging in to refresh a memory from a post 2 weeks ago and have to wade through 25 different threads from original poster about a 70 flt. We have areas specifically for such projects. It should be utilized. Otherwise your going to have " General Discussion" a blow by blow of endless discussion of a hunting party for one specific animal which a large number of folks may have no interest In having to wade through over and over.
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #224 on: January 02, 2018, 06:35:08 AM »
Jim, I agree with everything you said, except one. Isnt that, "checking a minimum " number of times a little low?????
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Offline Dan LeBlanc

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #225 on: January 02, 2018, 07:15:39 AM »
I think Art has some very helpful advice here.

Laurie, as the number of topics you start grows, it will be hard to track what replies you have to what as things move down on the list.  As time goes by and you're 10 topics ahead, finding an answer you need on a past topic may get lost in the weeds, so to speak.  I think your path ahead is an ideal candidate for starting a blog in the restoration blog.

Starting one post, in the restoration blog, will allow us as forum members one place to go to see your progress and offer the best advice we can.  I know as someone who tries to offer advice where I can, I sometimes get lost trying to find a post I know I want to comment on but don't have the time right then and there to do so, and trying to find it later.

One restoration blog thread will help you keep organized.

If you want to start a blog, I'd be more than happy to merge all your threads into the one thread in the restoration blog to help you stay organized.

I think it would be an interesting thread.
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #226 on: January 02, 2018, 10:18:32 AM »
Brace yourself.  These cars "grow" problems over the Winter.  Obviously they don't like to sit so suddenly your garage floor has oil or hydraulic fluid pooled under the car or a hard start, or a gas leak....... The hits just keep coming sometimes!  Enjoy the serenity when you're not paging through the InterNet looking for parts and the car isn't leaking anything!  Hallelujah!
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Offline e.mason

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #227 on: January 02, 2018, 11:31:44 AM »
In the words of the immortal Victor Laszlo.


Offline "Cadillac Kid" Greg Surfas 15364

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #228 on: January 02, 2018, 12:25:23 PM »
Laurie,
You are lucky in that for most of your car's "hard parts" such as motor, brakes, suspension, transmission, etc. the parts are still readily available. The issue many of CLC members face is the in ability to find a mechanic who will both work on these cars and is trustworthy.  One of the things that help minimize costs is having some knowledge about the workings of our cars and the ability to do a preliminary diagnosis when things are amiss.  The factory service manual and the Fischer body manual are musts to have and understand.  The forum is also help in understanding issues since most of us HAVE ISSUES of our own,
Welcome to the club.
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Offline Barry M Wheeler #2189

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #229 on: January 02, 2018, 03:31:30 PM »
I have endured some thirty hours without the Internet... We have had (for even Indiana) a couple of very, very, VERY cold nights. We also did without a land line and TV. Finally figured out about nine PM last night that our recorded movies would still play. SLEEPY HOLLOW is scary, even with "Wednesday" as a blonde.

The ATS would not start again, even though I waited until the temp was well above zero. I didn't want to wait on OnStar all day so I called my local shop for $15.

Keep telling yourselves "Yes, we're having fun," and all will be well.
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Offline Scot Minesinger

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #230 on: January 02, 2018, 04:32:51 PM »
Hi Laurie,

Go back to Greg's advise.  You need the Caddillac factory Shop manual, easiest place to buy them is e-bay.

Most all rubber parts need to be replaced.  Further, the steel fuel and brake lines should probably be replaced too.  If you have a timing chain with a nylon sprocket (1963-1979 for sure) than that should be replaced too.  Then with all of these things done, your car starts out more as new and you should not need frequent repairs.  I did this for my 1970 SDV and have it enjoyed it for five years now with no issues. 

Sounds simple, but rubber parts on your car are at a minimum; door seals, trunk seal, door stops, hood/fender stops, shocks, upper and lower control arm bushings, tires, brake pistons and calipers, transmission seals, rear control arm bushings, brake lines, fuel lines, numerous gaskets, vacuum hoses, coolant/heater hoses, carburetor gaskets, and etc.  On my 1970 Cadillac it was over 4.5k in parts plus install labor.

If you drive a 40 year old plus car and repair things as they fail, for me it would be not fun.  Hope that this helps,

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Offline David King (kz78hy)

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #231 on: January 02, 2018, 04:50:35 PM »
After a while you might find that keeping all receipts is not that great of a idea.  Close approximations in money spent, mentally recorded seems to work well.  Throw them in a folder and if you really need to find one you can, but never, under any circumstance, ever, and I repeat ever, total the number...

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #232 on: January 02, 2018, 05:57:26 PM »
Laurie,

Scott M is a great resource for you.
He's an ace mechanic and knows the 70 inside and out.
A shop manual is a must. If you are going to try doing some of the work on the car it's important to read up on it first.  If getting something done by a mechanic bring the manual along. I find that the service procedures are pretty well spelled out.

I enjoy collecting the literature that goes along with the cars. I have showroom data books and sales lit and accessory guides for the cars in addition to the owners manuals. Interesting reading especially during the winter when the car activities are curtailed by below freezing temps.

I don't know if you would be interested but I have some really mint chrome for the front of your car and the front and side parking and turnsignal bezels and lenses. Hard to find stuff with no pitting.

As far as racking up bills, you can go at it at your own pace and I'd recommend going over mechanical and safety items first. Especially the brake system including all metal lines and rubber hoses. At least a good visual inspection.

Enjoy!

Brian
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #233 on: January 02, 2018, 06:04:45 PM »
One of the hardest lessons I had to learn, low those 100 years ago when i started this Cadillac hobby was that no matter what it was, it was going to cost $250 to $300 a pop.
I do feel that saving your receipts is a good habit to get into.

And, without being sexist - God forbid these days - once you have finished the work, it's like giving birth - painful, but looking down at or driving YOUR Cadillac - you forget the pains and enjoy what you have created - often times with your own hands

I'll probably get nasty grams on this, I guess.
Enjoy the journey, because the destination is well worth it.

Have fun,
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #234 on: January 02, 2018, 06:16:53 PM »
On other threads you will read that Laurie has already ordered and received the Fisher Body Manual and the Cadillac Shop Manual.
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Offline Cape Cod Fleetwood

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #235 on: January 03, 2018, 01:13:58 AM »
LOL! Thanks guys!

I have another 'hobby' that was my 'job' for years, also involves excruciating attention to detail and mntx otherwise somebody (me) gets hurt. On top of that add my military aviation background. I'm expecting the unexpected regardless of how hard I try to stay on top of things... they're machines after all, and elderly machines at that.

The guy I bought the car from, the one who said when questioned for mntx/repairs/receipts replied "I don't know, if something broke I fixed it".. great, bought it from another guy who was trying to restore it and either ran out of money or lost his heart. One of the first things we noticed when it was up on the lift were 'new' brake and fuel lines, parts, etc. I need to 'trust' the car, to take it for a long ride to a cruise or show. That's why Summit Racing just sent me an email stating 7 (seven) boxes were in transit, and another 3 from Amazon. I want the firing system replaced, the car starts right up and runs smooth and quiet, I want it all new. Plugs, wires, condensor, cap, rotor, points. Oil (its fine) change and filter, drop the pan. Tranny (its new) fluid and filter, drop the pan. Flush the radiator (Prestone looks new), new therm and cap. New battery (period correct of course), new tires (period correct of course). Change the power steering fluid (its fine), change the brake fluid (its fine), check the rear end fluid. A lot of this I can do. Seriously! But "I" need to know all this stuff is 'new', fresh. And my mntx records on the car have a place to start. Remember when I said the car was loud and the seller said they didn't put a resonator on it? I saw a resonator during my crawl under it, figured it was the muffler or something at the manifold. The muffler was too small and 1 of the 2 bolts holding the exhaust to the manifold was missing, that'll do it. Quiet as a mouse now.

I trust my mech with my life. I knew his father before his father knew his mother. Great mech, he "listens". We've had a few chats about the car, he's seen and loves it. And I keep saying "you have to think in the 70's. Where today we'd use wd-40, they used graphite, etc". Told him I bought the shop and body manual, he said he already downloaded them both to his iPhone. Gotta love it. This car was sold decades before his parents knew each other, so cool. He's also the clutch mechanic on the #4 alcohol Funny Car "Follow A Dream" which is based locally. I'm in good hands. Old cars aren't his wheelhouse, but he's good enough to research something before he reaches for his tools.

This is going to be a fun ride. And the advice and opinion I've already received from you folks here has been worth its weight in gold. There will be MANY more posts as this journey proceeds, we'll all have fun. Did I mention we're already in 4 shows this year? Including Larz Anderson? LOL! No pressure.

BTW, one of the vokes refused the car for paint and body work. 2 reasons, its too 'old' (the kids in the program wouldn't care about it), and I'm "not in their area geographically". To wit I responded "I'm in your area geographically for tax purposes ergo I'm supporting the school", no comment. 2 other vokes in line, if they both blow me off I'll get the engine work done, tires and battery, stick on that script, and we're going to the shows anyway in 'sub-survivor mode', I don't care. I love the car and we're going. The right shop/person will come along in its perfect time to do the body/paint/roof.

I'm going to try to attach my live Facebook feed when the car went to Lou's Custom Exhaust, the first day I really drove it. First for fuel and to see Scott, then for an inspection sticker at his other garage, then to Lou's. This was the only time I've driven the car since the test drive a week earlier.

BE ADVISED - the language and comments are rated "R", you've been warned, enjoy! Laurie!
https://www.facebook.com/laurie.kraynick/videos/1545362905578853/


Great, the Facebook attachments work. Here's the car running after the new muffler was installed, the exhaust was actually bolted onto the manifold, and another 'leak' was found and welded.
https://www.facebook.com/laurie.kraynick/videos/1545382015576942/
« Last Edit: January 03, 2018, 01:30:04 AM by Cape Cod Fleetwood »
There are 2 kinds of cars in the world, Cadillac and everything else....

The Present -1970 Fleetwood Brougham

The Past -
1996 Deville Concours
1987 Sedan De Ville "Commonwealth Edition"
1981 Coupe De Ville (8-6-4)
1976 Sedan De Ville
1975 Sedan De Ville

The Daily Driver and work slave -
2008 GMC Acadia SLT *options/all

Offline Cape Cod Fleetwood

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #236 on: January 03, 2018, 01:57:24 AM »
Since I can post Facebook links here, here you go.
BE ADVISED - language is rated "R" in some spots, very emotional night. The folks you hear me talking to are messaging live on Facebook as this was 'live'.
https://www.facebook.com/laurie.kraynick/videos/1542638592517951/

Saying good night the first night
https://www.facebook.com/laurie.kraynick/videos/1542654295849714/

The first ride to get fuel and a sticker. 10 *GALLONS* of fuel.. LOL!
https://www.facebook.com/laurie.kraynick/videos/1545290238919453/

Our day at Lou's Custom Exhaust right afterwards
https://www.facebook.com/laurie.kraynick/videos/1545362905578853/

And after the muffler work was done
https://www.facebook.com/laurie.kraynick/videos/1545382015576942/
« Last Edit: January 03, 2018, 02:16:06 AM by Cape Cod Fleetwood »
There are 2 kinds of cars in the world, Cadillac and everything else....

The Present -1970 Fleetwood Brougham

The Past -
1996 Deville Concours
1987 Sedan De Ville "Commonwealth Edition"
1981 Coupe De Ville (8-6-4)
1976 Sedan De Ville
1975 Sedan De Ville

The Daily Driver and work slave -
2008 GMC Acadia SLT *options/all

Offline Cape Cod Fleetwood

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #237 on: January 03, 2018, 02:14:52 AM »
I think Art has some very helpful advice here.

Laurie, as the number of topics you start grows, it will be hard to track what replies you have to what as things move down on the list.  As time goes by and you're 10 topics ahead, finding an answer you need on a past topic may get lost in the weeds, so to speak.  I think your path ahead is an ideal candidate for starting a blog in the restoration blog.

Starting one post, in the restoration blog, will allow us as forum members one place to go to see your progress and offer the best advice we can.  I know as someone who tries to offer advice where I can, I sometimes get lost trying to find a post I know I want to comment on but don't have the time right then and there to do so, and trying to find it later.

One restoration blog thread will help you keep organized.

If you want to start a blog, I'd be more than happy to merge all your threads into the one thread in the restoration blog to help you stay organized.

I think it would be an interesting thread.

LOVE your idea, thank you! It would be 'neater'. And I just posted videos too.
Thank you!
Laurie!
There are 2 kinds of cars in the world, Cadillac and everything else....

The Present -1970 Fleetwood Brougham

The Past -
1996 Deville Concours
1987 Sedan De Ville "Commonwealth Edition"
1981 Coupe De Ville (8-6-4)
1976 Sedan De Ville
1975 Sedan De Ville

The Daily Driver and work slave -
2008 GMC Acadia SLT *options/all

Offline Highwayman68

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #238 on: January 03, 2018, 09:37:45 AM »
I can't get access to the videos on FB. I also can't find a Friend Request button on your FB page to hopefully gain access to the videos, I really want to see these videos as I am enjoying your endeavor here with your new toy.

Offline Cape Cod Fleetwood

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #239 on: January 03, 2018, 09:46:42 AM »
I can't get access to the videos on FB. I also can't find a Friend Request button on your FB page to hopefully gain access to the videos, I really want to see these videos as I am enjoying your endeavor here with your new toy.

Sorry, I had to tighten up my FB page a while back. Message me and I'll send you a friend request!
If anyone else on FB can't see the vids because we're not "friends", message me for a friend request, just PLEASE say you're from this forum, thanks! Laurie!
« Last Edit: January 03, 2018, 09:53:05 AM by Cape Cod Fleetwood »
There are 2 kinds of cars in the world, Cadillac and everything else....

The Present -1970 Fleetwood Brougham

The Past -
1996 Deville Concours
1987 Sedan De Ville "Commonwealth Edition"
1981 Coupe De Ville (8-6-4)
1976 Sedan De Ville
1975 Sedan De Ville

The Daily Driver and work slave -
2008 GMC Acadia SLT *options/all

 

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