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Offline Dan LeBlanc

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2017, 03:24:13 PM »
Laurie...please do yourself a favor and do NOT use the tarp.  Moisture will get trapped in the blankets between the tarp and the paint and will not be able to breathe.  You'll have a mess on your hands in 12-14 weeks when you uncover it.

My father, a body man of 47 years when he retired always said that if a car was to be left outside during the winter, it was always best to leave it uncovered so the air can circulate and keep it dry.  Trapped moisture will be the worst enemy causing more rust than leaving it outside, uncovered.

Admittedly, I had to do it with a 62 Coupe de Ville one winter and it looked the same in the spring as it did when I parked it in the winter.  I just cleaned the snow off of it after every storm and kept snow cleared around it.

Dad was right...again!
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2017, 03:33:51 PM »
A breathable all-weather cover is an option.  And if you get a good one, you could keep using it after the car is repainted.  Check out California Car Covers for some of the options.
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2017, 04:44:03 PM »
Boy, what horrible decisions to have to make each and every year.

Life must be really tough living in places where it snows and the ground freezes.

Bruce. >:D

PS.   A friend once covered up his car with a simple cover, and by the time he removed it, the paint on the roof was crazed and lifting off.   

PPS.   I once put a car cover over my '72 Eldo Coupe when it was forecast that there would be a heavy frost.   The next day I couldn't remove it till the late morning as the rotten cover had physically become frozen to the body of the car.
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2017, 05:13:51 PM »
Dan is correct the moisture under that tarp will be a disaster.

Better to leave it uncovered. better yet get into that garage!
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2017, 09:37:57 PM »
What are you trying to find out?  What options the car came with?

Are you looking for a build sheet?

If so, sometimes it is under or behind the back seat, perhaps between the gas tank and the trunk. Of what I found on my car...not too much...

On mine, I just looked at how it's equipped and go from there.

Here's a link or two to some good caddy info...

http://automotivemileposts.com/cadillac/cadi1970selections.shtml

https://www.motorera.com/cadillac/cad1970/cad70.htm
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2017, 10:05:07 PM »
Hey guys,
where would they be located? Nothing in the glove box... help?
Laurie,
Realistically... this is a Cadillac not a Corvette!! LOL!
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2017, 10:45:53 PM »
Hey guys,
where would they be located? Nothing in the glove box... help?
Iím not sure when RPO codes were implemented.  But I know my 70 Eldo did not have an RPO sticker. 
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2017, 11:04:07 PM »
Yes, but there is a trim plate at the base of the windshield on the driver side at the end of the cowl. It has series number (should be 68169), month and week of production paint, top and interior codes, and several, but not all optional item codes.  If you can post a pic of it (you might want to clean it off first) the experts here can tell you the major options that it was built with.

You can also order a "kit" from CLC that will include a build sheet and some other stuff. There's also a GM heritage site with a "data book" that is a scan of dozens of pages on the cars (364 pages for 1970!). Let me find and put that link here:

https://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-heritage-archive/vehicle-information-kits.html.

If you want the build sheet, the only way I know to get it is to buy the kit from CLC. I think it is $50.


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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2017, 11:38:46 PM »
Please Don't leave the windows cracked if you store it outside That will let in moisture. The moth balls and bounce sheets work well, You'll need them even if you put it in a garage. In a garage you can leave the windows half open, that will let air circulate.

The garage shouldn't be a bad option, unless its way too far away. But if you're out there on the cape within 10-15 miles of the shore, you'll likely get ocean mist drifting your way, so a garage is even more desirable.

Of course you can always bring it down here to Wesley Chapel, FL where I think it will just barely fit in my garage.  ;)

In all my airborne jumps, I never jumped from a C130. But I did have the displeasure of riding in C130s in and out of afghan several times. NOT fun... I also hopped a Space-A flight on a C130 from Hanscom AFB to MacDill AFB. That was a bit cold in the cargo bay, but not as cold as the C17s Space A trips from Germany to the US and back...
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Offline Cape Cod Fleetwood

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2017, 12:06:15 AM »
You all have no idea how much I appreciate you taking the time to respond, thank you.

Its like this...

When I was very young I was always threatened with "if you're not a good girl, Santa won't bring you gifts!" Doesn't every parent say that?

Then you grow up, work hard, have a life, go to war, start a business, own properties, live the dream, you're an ADULT after all now.

Then one Christmas morning you wake up, alone in your house, your family is all dead, friends are few since you trust no one after years in the military. You look under your Christmas tree and for the first time - there's nothing there. Nothing. And at the age of 52 you cry, all day, uncontrollably. I was a bad girl. And it happens again the next year... and the next. You'd have to experience it to understand.

A friend who's a psych recommended I buy myself something 'outrageous', something I'd never buy for myself, for myself, for a Christmas gift. Wrap it up, put it under the tree. Instant "peace" that Christmas and forever since.

That's why the car is outside this year... I need to see it and touch it Christmas morning. If that makes any sense now.

Got her all wrapped up today, took everyone's advice on proper seasonings - damp rids, Gain dryer sheets, moth balls on dishes under the car in 3 places, windows are up. Really glad I took the pics, especially on the engine. If the car smells REALLY good going out that first time to get painted I'll know I missed one. Next winter, if I don't take someone up on their garage offer, she'll stay in the 'portable garage' I'll erect at some point. There's a trick to installing these correctly I guess, LONG stakes into the ground at all the poles, and ratchet straps tight across the top and sides, THEN you put on the material for the sides and roof, tightly. We'll see. Here's pics from today, some of you may cringe, I'm sorry!
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Offline Cape Cod Fleetwood

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2017, 12:18:03 AM »
My goodness, I never posted pics of my new baby, here they are.
There are 2 kinds of cars in the world, Cadillac and everything else....

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Offline Steve Passmore

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2017, 03:04:36 AM »
Reading your story makes me fully understand. Keep the car with you!  I see you have the room there though? Is building a solid single garage an option?
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2017, 03:35:03 AM »
Reading your story makes me fully understand. Keep the car with you!  I see you have the room there though? Is building a solid single garage an option?
Hi Steve, I'm a contractor, I can build anything. My family room is actually a converted garage. I can build it for the cost of materials, but then my real estate taxes, home owners insurance and flood insurance would all go up. The $400 'portable garage' saves a fortune, money I'd rather put into the car. NEXT winter, possibly I'll use a garage at a clients abandoned summer home. This winter, she stays here!
HO! HO! HO!
Laurie!
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2017, 03:38:26 AM »
In all my airborne jumps, I never jumped from a C130. But I did have the displeasure of riding in C130s in and out of afghan several times. NOT fun... I also hopped a Space-A flight on a C130 from Hanscom AFB to MacDill AFB. That was a bit cold in the cargo bay, but not as cold as the C17s Space A trips from Germany to the US and back...

"displeasure"? I beg your pardon! LOL! My little mortar magnet got me around the world several times and into out of some unpleasant places. But those C17s are faster and quieter for sure.
There are 2 kinds of cars in the world, Cadillac and everything else....

The Present -1970 Fleetwood Brougham

The Past -
1996 Deville Concours
1987 Sedan De Ville "Commonwealth Edition"
1981 Coupe De Ville (8-6-4)
1976 Sedan De Ville
1975 Sedan De Ville

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2017, 03:55:01 AM »
"displeasure"? I beg your pardon! LOL! My little mortar magnet got me around the world several times and into out of some unpleasant places. But those C17s are faster and quieter for sure.


It might have had something to do with the fact that on those trips we were crammed in so tight that sardines were laughing at us, with rucksack, helmet, weapons, and the heavy but also uncomfortable body armor.

Enjoy your present, you deserve it. Nice original condition that I can tell. I was missing my baby for 7 months this year while getting the engine overhauled:

http://forums.cadillaclasalleclub.org/index.php?topic=145138.0
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2017, 06:59:37 AM »
Hi Laurie

The key to preserving your car in the pop up garage will be to keep a box fan running in there at all times when the car is in there and the door is closed.  Air circulation is key.

I used one for a winter to store a project and moisture condenses and freezes on the inside without proper air circulation.  There are some things i had to do over because of the effects of moisture in storage.
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2017, 07:07:01 AM »
What a nice car. 

I drive a 70 deVille convertible and find it extremely comfortable, powerful, and more than capable of being driven all day long with ease.
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2017, 07:12:33 AM »
Pull out the back seat.  On my 70 there was a build sheet back there.

Brian
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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #58 on: December 21, 2017, 07:54:31 AM »
Dan is correct. Without that air flow you're done. Don't even think of using a 'pop up' to store your car, at least not without air circulation. You would be better to leave the vehicle uncovered, given the choice. Other posts on this elsewhere in the Forum. Basically, without air movement the enclosure becomes one large humidity cabinet. Clay/Lexi

Offline Cape Cod Fleetwood

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Re: Laurie's 1970 Fleetwood Brougham Restoration
« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2017, 10:54:11 AM »


It might have had something to do with the fact that on those trips we were crammed in so tight that sardines were laughing at us, with rucksack, helmet, weapons, and the heavy but also uncomfortable body armor.

Enjoy your present, you deserve it. Nice original condition that I can tell. I was missing my baby for 7 months this year while getting the engine overhauled:

http://forums.cadillaclasalleclub.org/index.php?topic=145138.0

Yeah that "might" have something to do with it Mike, LOL! Thank you for your service...
I don't have the time now to read 6 pages on your thread, what was the bottom line, what do you
think caused the failure?
There are 2 kinds of cars in the world, Cadillac and everything else....

The Present -1970 Fleetwood Brougham

The Past -
1996 Deville Concours
1987 Sedan De Ville "Commonwealth Edition"
1981 Coupe De Ville (8-6-4)
1976 Sedan De Ville
1975 Sedan De Ville

The Daily Driver and work slave -
2008 GMC Acadia SLT *options/all

 

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