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Title: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on June 19, 2017, 01:49:12 PM
Hello everyone,

I am from Belguim and about two years ago i bought my American dream... A 1955 Cadillac.
The previous owner used her for a wedding in 1974 and since then she just stood in a barn.
And the 40 years of neglect really show on this American beauty.
She needs a serious restoration but i just want to get her running for now.

The car is originally a metallic blue with green/blue interior.
Original 331 is there but in unknown condition.

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Greetings

Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on June 20, 2017, 11:50:07 AM
Hello everyone ,

Got some time to work on the Caddy today.
Did some cleaning and hooked up a battery.
AAAAAAAND nothing...... only one headlight working and radio light. not good..
Removed the taillight lenses and everything was corroded very badly.
Some sandpaper and elbowgrease and voila rear lights work !

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Tomorrow we try to crank engine... wish me luck.

Greetings from your Belgian friend.
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: Jeff Rosansky CLC #28373 on June 20, 2017, 12:36:37 PM
Congrats!!
We have had our 55 for only 10 days. You are ahead of me as I have not hooked a battery up to it yet. Good luck. I am sure we will be seeing each other on the forums.
Jeff
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on June 20, 2017, 12:47:08 PM
Quote from: Jeff Rose                                         CLC #28373 on June 20, 2017, 12:36:37 PM
Congrats!!
We have had our 55 for only 10 days. You are ahead of me as I have not hooked a battery up to it yet. Good luck. I am sure we will be seeing each other on the forums.
Jeff

Very nice Cadillac you have there! looks like yours is in alot better shape than mine.

Greetings from your Belgian Friend.
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on July 05, 2017, 11:13:49 AM
Hello my Friends.

Sorry for the lack of posts ! i was on vacation  ;D

Soooooooo back on the caddy now.

I wanted to see if engine ran , so to check engine a little i removed valve covers.
Sadly there are two bent pushrods and one broken rocker.  :( :'(
Caused by two stuck valves.... i put oil down the valve shafts and voila they are lose...
Now the question is : should i remove the heads or would it be safe to run the engine now the valves are lose?

Greetings from your Belgian Friend.
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: V63 on July 06, 2017, 12:42:09 PM
Hello in Belgium!

Verify that you are ONLY using fresh fuel! Bad (stale) fuel is what sticks the valves. Very good practice to add 1 oz of automatic transmission fluid to 5 gallons fuel.

If the engine has not been run in a while, I like to remove the sparkplugs and put an oz of trans fluid in each cylinder. Let soak a min of 1/2 hour. Verify clean oil is in  the crank case  moreover, that it's FULL.

Disable ignition.

(Spark plugs removed) crank the engine past the oil pressure light is extinguished. This fills your lifters and pressure lubricates the bearings. Fills carburetor with fuel.

Excess trans fluid might mist from the cylinders holes.

You could verify valve action at this time

Assemble valve covers, clean plugs and ignition.

I like to mix a rich mixture of trans fluid and fuel for priming...

Pre lubricated...The engine should start without injury. white smoke probable initially because of rich trans fluid and gasoline used for priming and excess from cylinder lubrication.
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: dochawk on July 08, 2017, 05:36:44 PM
Quote from: LayEmLow on June 20, 2017, 11:50:07 AM
Hello everyone ,
Got some time to work on the Caddy today.
Did some cleaning and hooked up a battery.
AAAAAAAND nothing...... only one headlight working and radio light. not good..
Removed the taillight lenses and everything was corroded very badly.
Some sandpaper and elbowgrease and voila rear lights work !

Wow, we have *got* to get you a copy of "One Piece at a Time'  :)

Enjoy this wonderful car.

hawk
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on July 10, 2017, 12:24:56 PM
Quote from: V63 on July 06, 2017, 12:42:09 PM
Hello in Belgium!

Verify that you are ONLY using fresh fuel! Bad (stale) fuel is what sticks the valves. Very good practice to add 1 oz of automatic transmission fluid to 5 gallons fuel.

If the engine has not been run in a while, I like to remove the sparkplugs and put an oz of trans fluid in each cylinder. Let soak a min of 1/2 hour. Verify clean oil is in  the crank case  moreover, that it's FULL.

Disable ignition.

(Spark plugs removed) crank the engine past the oil pressure light is extinguished. This fills your lifters and pressure lubricates the bearings. Fills carburetor with fuel.

Excess trans fluid might mist from the cylinders holes.

You could verify valve action at this time

Assemble valve covers, clean plugs and ignition.

I like to mix a rich mixture of trans fluid and fuel for priming...

Pre lubricated...The engine should start without injury. white smoke probable initially because of rich trans fluid and gasoline used for priming and excess from cylinder lubrication.

Thank you very much for the info my friend! i'm waiting on the new rocker and then i'll see if the engine wants to live.  >:D
i really want to hear the 8 cilinders go BANG.

Quote from: dochawk on July 08, 2017, 05:36:44 PM
Wow, we have *got* to get you a copy of "One Piece at a Time'  :)

Enjoy this wonderful car.

hawk

What is that copy you speak of?

I have a few european classic cars and they are nothing compared to this car.
The quality of these cars is amazing! i'm in love with Cadillacs now.  ;D


Sorry my friends , sadly no new updates...
I have not found the time to work on the Caddy

i'll keep you guys updated!

Greetings from your Belgian friend!
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: dochawk on July 10, 2017, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: LayEmLow on July 10, 2017, 12:24:56 PM

What is that copy you speak of?


Ideally a vinyl record, but I suppose a CD could do.

It's a 1976 Johny Cash song, in which he goes to work for GM and steals a Cadillac one piece at a time over decades.

Quote
Now the headlight' was another sight
We had two on the left and one on the right
But when we pulled out the switch all three of 'em come on.

:)
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: Jeff Rosansky CLC #28373 on July 10, 2017, 04:10:48 PM
Quote from: LayEmLow on July 10, 2017, 12:24:56 PM
i really want to hear the 8 cilinders go BANG.


Let's not use the word BANG, OK???
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on July 11, 2017, 12:57:04 PM
Quote from: Jeff Rose                                         CLC #28373 on July 10, 2017, 04:10:48 PM
Let's not use the word BANG, OK???

Haha i don't mean "BANG" in a exploding kinda way  :P hehehe
More like " waking the horses of their 40 years of sleep".

So friends , i found a little time to work on the Caddy today...
Last time i hooked up a battery i found out the NONE of the 4 eletric windows work.
Also i hear a ticking sound about every minute coming from the driver door.
So i tought "Let's quickly pull of the door card and look at the motor and the switches..."
NOT! I just can't get the door handles off  >:(
I removed the clips and nothing happens... Probably rusted on?

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What did i expect from a car that sat for 40 years?
ah well always another day tomorrow...

Greetings from your Belgian friend.
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: Jeff Rosansky CLC #28373 on July 11, 2017, 02:34:50 PM
You probably just have to work them off. Wiggle them for a bit. Probably too tight to get any lube back there.
Nice with the power windows. Mine are manual.
Jeff
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on July 11, 2017, 08:59:21 PM
G'day Maarten,

The problem with electricals after being standing for a long time in your case shouldn't be that bad.

But, whoa-betide the poor fellas in the future, having to deal with the current vehicles when they want to restore theme after a similar time of "rest"

Bruce. >:D
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: dochawk on July 12, 2017, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: Jeff Rose                                         CLC #28373 on July 11, 2017, 02:34:50 PM
You probably just have to work them off. Wiggle them for a bit. Probably too tight to get any lube back there.
Nice with the power windows. Mine are manual.

In addition to the regular WD-40, there is a variant for rust.

After years of attempting to get a lugnut off of my 72, I sprayed it with this, waited 48 hours, and it was merely a "hard" lugnut.

But be sure it isn't going to get on something else that it will dissolve, etc.
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on July 19, 2017, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: The Tassie Devil(le) on July 11, 2017, 08:59:21 PM
G'day Maarten,

The problem with electricals after being standing for a long time in your case shouldn't be that bad.

But, whoa-betide the poor fellas in the future, having to deal with the current vehicles when they want to restore theme after a similar time of "rest"

Bruce. >:D

The eletricals are not really the problem, it's that eveything is rusted stuck... So i can't even reach the electricals... :'(
I would'nt even attempt to restore a post 1990 car....

Quote from: dochawk on July 12, 2017, 02:30:42 PM
In addition to the regular WD-40, there is a variant for rust.

After years of attempting to get a lugnut off of my 72, I sprayed it with this, waited 48 hours, and it was merely a "hard" lugnut.

But be sure it isn't going to get on something else that it will dissolve, etc.

The problem is that i can't reach the shaft where the crank is rusted on...
But i'll look into that stuff , thanks !!

Greetings from your Belgian friend
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on July 19, 2017, 02:29:52 PM
Hello my friends !

The progress on the Caddy is very slow due to house restoration work...
BUT we have some updates ... (well more like 1 step forward and two steps back)

The good : I GOT THE ENGINE RUNNING.... well kinda... the two valves are stuck again  >:(

I'll go into more details now

Last tuesday i finally received my "new" rocker...
so i could assemble the rocker assembly.

i assembled the motor , and with some trail and error the engine started up.
in a matter of seconds the two valves got stuck again , and my mood sank miles deep.
Lucky no damage...

So this is the bad : - the valves that i got loose are stuck again
                            - the oil pressure light didn't go off whilst she was running


debating why she wouldn't have oil pressure , i disassembled the rocker shaft assembly again.
so i could free the valves up. but no luck... they are very stuck.

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Not wanting to mess any more with the valves , i turned my attention to the oil pressure.

removed the plugs and cranked the engine.
whitin seconds oil gusses out of the passenger side cilinder head...
Hence that the battery was almost dead so really slow rotations.

How can my oil pressure be low when oil gusses out the cilinderhead within seconds?
Or is it because i removed the rocker assembly that eases the flow? Or dead oil pressure switch? :o

Mixed feelings right now , kinda happy she runs (not that great but still) but even more problems now...

One step forward and two steps back my friends...

Greetings from your Belgian friend

PS : That piece of **** window crank still doesn't want to come loose. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on August 03, 2017, 03:40:39 PM
Hello my friends !

After alot of cursing and throwing tools , i did what i should have done in the first place... :-[
i pulled the heads....

Well it was not as easy as it sounds...
EVERYTHING and i mean EVERYTHING was stuck or rusted on...
Loosen the exhaust manifold bolts? nope not possible...
Loosen the exhaust flange bolts? nope not possible...
Loosen the intake manifold bolts? nope not possible...

Which made pulling the heads 1000x harder.
But after 6 hours of messing around , i did it...

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With a little oil i got the valves loose.
except for a bent valve , everything looks pretty good.

Cylinder walls are not that bad , no edges on the top of the walls.
no rust or major scratches except for 1 cylinder :

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Would this be a problem?

i would hate to rebuilt a pretty decent engine just because of 1 " little" scratch.
it's not really that deep , just looks bad.
I only plan on driving the Cadillac to a few meetings in the summer and little cruises.

Hope to hear you guys opinions...

Thank you and greetings from your Belgian friend.


Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on August 03, 2017, 08:19:17 PM
That scrape is not good.

Looks like the piston will have to come out, and see what damage there is deeper down.

Bruce. >:D
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on August 04, 2017, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: The Tassie Devil(le) on August 03, 2017, 08:19:17 PM
That scrape is not good.

Looks like the piston will have to come out, and see what damage there is deeper down.

Bruce. >:D

The scrape stops just above the piston in the picture.
Top of the scrape ( at TDC) is bad , the rest is just minor.
The rest of the cylinder walls are mint...
Do i need a rebuilt for that one cylinder?

Greetings from your Belgian friend.
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: goofyhb on August 04, 2017, 12:19:56 PM
Hello,
I agree with Bruce. From my experience the cylinder gives a bit too much room for the piston. The bore is no longer perfectly round.  The dark part at the top of the cylinder is burned oil which got past the piston rings or valve stem seals. So you need to check what made the marks. At this time it would be good to measure piston and cylinder for wear. My cylinders were so used you could have installed 1. oversize pistons without machining.

After you assembled the engine:
Best is to take off the valve covers and turn the engine by hand with plugs out. See that all valves are moving. You can also check if the push rods of a cylinder in firing position (valves closed) are moving freely.
When you try to start the engine, take off the power from the coil and crank the engine on the starter until the oil pressure is okay. Then see how long it takes until it comes on again. If this takes 5-10 seconds you crank it again until the light comes off, connect the power to the coil and start the engine.

Axel


Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on August 05, 2017, 03:34:59 AM
Quote from: goofyhb on August 04, 2017, 12:19:56 PM
Hello,
I agree with Bruce. From my experience the cylinder gives a bit too much room for the piston. The bore is no longer perfectly round.  The dark part at the top of the cylinder is burned oil which got past the piston rings or valve stem seals. So you need to check what made the marks. At this time it would be good to measure piston and cylinder for wear. My cylinders were so used you could have installed 1. oversize pistons without machining.

After you assembled the engine:
Best is to take off the valve covers and turn the engine by hand with plugs out. See that all valves are moving. You can also check if the push rods of a cylinder in firing position (valves closed) are moving freely.
When you try to start the engine, take off the power from the coil and crank the engine on the starter until the oil pressure is okay. Then see how long it takes until it comes on again. If this takes 5-10 seconds you crank it again until the light comes off, connect the power to the coil and start the engine.

Axel

Damn... and i tought the cylinder walls looked pretty good because of the lack of edge. Quess i'm wrong then.

Thank you so much for the info guys , i'll need to figure out if i can afford a rebuild now.

Greetings from your Belgian friend.
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on August 05, 2017, 07:18:31 AM
The biggest thing is to find out what caused the mark.

If it only goes down a short distance, then something has fallen down from the top, and got caught, and eventually went out through the exhaust port, if nothing is there.

Is there any corresponding damage to the cylinder head?

With the groove where it is, when the piston is at its highest, there will be a sudden loss of compression down through the groove, past the rings, thereby pressurising the sump, more than it was intended to be.

Is there any ridge around the top of the cylinder wall?   And, what is the rest of the bores like?

If you don't know much about engines, I would be recommending you get someone nearby to you that does, to have a look before going any further.  Did you manage to do a compression check before pulling the heads?   I suppose with the stuck valves, you didn't have much need for a compression check.   Plus, you need to investigate the reason for the valves sticking.

Bruce. >:D
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on August 05, 2017, 01:24:23 PM
Quote from: The Tassie Devil(le) on August 05, 2017, 07:18:31 AM
The biggest thing is to find out what caused the mark.

If it only goes down a short distance, then something has fallen down from the top, and got caught, and eventually went out through the exhaust port, if nothing is there.

Is there any corresponding damage to the cylinder head?

With the groove where it is, when the piston is at its highest, there will be a sudden loss of compression down through the groove, past the rings, thereby pressurising the sump, more than it was intended to be.

Is there any ridge around the top of the cylinder wall?   And, what is the rest of the bores like?

If you don't know much about engines, I would be recommending you get someone nearby to you that does, to have a look before going any further.  Did you manage to do a compression check before pulling the heads?   I suppose with the stuck valves, you didn't have much need for a compression check.   Plus, you need to investigate the reason for the valves sticking.

Bruce. >:D

Thanks for the info!

I'm 90% sure it's because something fell into the bore.
The scratch is only really bad on top of the bore.
My fingernail catches on the first 1/4 inch of scratch , after that i just feel a little uneven spot.

There is no damage to the cylinder heads...
And almost no carbon build up.
Which i think is weird because it clearly burned oil.
There is no ridge around the top of the cylinder wall.
And all the other bores look great. No rust , no scratches, no edges, as good as they could be. Engine has only 80k miles.

I'm a self-taugth mechanic so little experience with engine rebuilds etc...

The other valves were rusted stuck.
Thank you for the info guys.


Greetings from your Belgian friend.
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on August 05, 2017, 07:28:17 PM
Sounds like you could get away with a complete head job and simply put up with the slight imperfection in that bore.

BUT, when it is rebuilt, do a compression check, and then again each year, or after every 5,000 Kilometres in your case, and see if anything is differing.

Sometimes, we just have to do things to keep things running, and enjoy.

Bruce. >:D
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: Jeff Rosansky CLC #28373 on August 15, 2017, 10:31:35 PM
I was wondering where this thread had gone and I just found it.
Fantastic job of getting the head off. Please post what trucks you used on the head bolts to get them free.
Are you going to have the heads redone? Probably just carbon buildup in the valve guides caused them to stick. When back running put a bit of ml Marvel's in the oil and that helps. We use that on the plane to cure "morning sickness".... first start of the day is rough for a few seconds because the valves are sluggish. Marvel's in the oil helps.
As for the oil pressure, pull the switch and soak the business end in anything you want. It is probably just stuck in the position it was for all those years-no pressure/light on. It may free up when soaked.
Jeff
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on August 23, 2017, 05:19:56 PM
Quote from: The Tassie Devil(le) on August 05, 2017, 07:28:17 PM
Sounds like you could get away with a complete head job and simply put up with the slight imperfection in that bore.

BUT, when it is rebuilt, do a compression check, and then again each year, or after every 5,000 Kilometres in your case, and see if anything is differing.

Sometimes, we just have to do things to keep things running, and enjoy.

Bruce. >:D

I'll eventually rebuild the engine , but now i have other priorities in my life that require $$$.
Just want to get her running and enjoy her while i do the bodywork.

Thanks for the info !

Quote from: Jeff Rose                                         CLC #28373 on August 15, 2017, 10:31:35 PM
I was wondering where this thread had gone and I just found it.
Fantastic job of getting the head off. Please post what trucks you used on the head bolts to get them free.
Are you going to have the heads redone? Probably just carbon buildup in the valve guides caused them to stick. When back running put a bit of ml Marvel's in the oil and that helps. We use that on the plane to cure "morning sickness".... first start of the day is rough for a few seconds because the valves are sluggish. Marvel's in the oil helps.
As for the oil pressure, pull the switch and soak the business end in anything you want. It is probably just stuck in the position it was for all those years-no pressure/light on. It may free up when soaked.
Jeff

except for cutting the exhausts in half, pulling the heads was no big deal.
but i'm glad i did , the engine would've never ran decent.
plugged water holes , corroded head gaskets , ...

i'm getting the heads inspected and basic work done to them ( going to rebuild them fully with the rest of the engine in a few months/ years)

i already have a new oil pressure switch , so hopefully that deals with the problem.

Not that much of progress on the Caddy , hard to find motivation the past few weeks. :'(
rebuilding the house pretty much takes my attention 24/7.
BUT MORE COMING SOON !

Greetings from your Belgian friend.
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: Belgium1958owner on December 30, 2017, 08:11:50 AM
Hi,
Welcome, dear compatriot.
Nice project car.

Best wishes for 2018
Title: Re: Belgian 1955 Cadillac restoration
Post by: LayEmLow on January 17, 2018, 03:17:15 PM
Thank you my friend.

Nice collection you have there!
Nice to see more Belgian Cadillac owners here.

Greetings from your Belgian friend.