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Offline Walter Youshock

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2017, 05:56:49 PM »
And the Self Starter is available online.  ALWAYS fresh and uncreased....
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Offline gkhashem

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2017, 06:33:48 PM »
That's true and if you would like the digital version only your dues is $35.00 per year.

Eric has paid for first class mail and the post office is treating first class mail like junk mail.

He did pay an extra $20.00 for first class mail, so I fail to see your point on this one? If he wanted it online, he would pay the lower dues.

I think we get a great value for what we pay and I would not mind paying an extra $20.00 a year for dues.  In today's world I cannot even go out for a nice dinner for $20.00

An excerpt from the CLC membership application.

Annual Membership Dues the self-starter/Directory Delivery Options
                                                                                                                                                                    1 yr.     2 yrs.    3 yrs.

UNITED STATES First-Class Mail/Printed Directory optional plus the self-starter Online                               $55     $109      $163
Periodical Mail/Printed Directory optional                                                                                                       40         79        118
USA AND WORLDWIDE the self-starter and Directory Online Only, no printed magazine & Directory            35         65          90
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Offline Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2017, 06:48:02 PM »
The 1957 catalog is online too.  If your original hard copy was crushed, would it matter to you? 


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Offline chrisntam

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2017, 06:59:05 PM »
Not on one side or the other, but how is this not a post office question?  What responsibility do they have?

Is it that the (open) pages get caught up in their machines?

Perhaps three easy to remove peel & stick stickers on each of the three open sides to keep the pages "closed" during the mailing process?
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Offline The Tassie Devil(le)

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2017, 07:08:32 PM »
I didn't like my magazine style mail getting folded to fit in the post box so I made my own, with a wide mouth to accept the un-folded versions.

Even the spiders like it.

Sorry there isn't a Cadillac in the picture, but it was parked some distance behind it.

Bruce.  >:D

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Offline Brett Baird

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2017, 07:37:24 PM »
My Self Starter seems to survive delivery each month, but here's what some 1941 Cadillac new car documents I found on eBay looked like after my mailman crammed them in my mailbox. How come he couldn't have mis-delivered them to my neighbor on the other street's less full mailbox like he usually does with my other mail? 
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Offline Glen

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2017, 12:59:50 AM »
The problem is upstream from the local PO.

That may be true, but your first contact is your post office supervisor.  If that does not work then write to your local postmaster.  Keep going up the chain of command.  The way your mail is arriving is not acceptable.  If it happens once, well things happen.  But for it to arrive like that repeatedly is not (or at least should not be) acceptable to the post office.   Be sure to show them all the ones that came mangled so they understand it is not a one off.     
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Offline 76eldo

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2017, 03:07:21 AM »
Barry

No one is blaming the editors here. We are blaming the post office. Clearly something has changed.
I have gotten the SS for years with no damaged. Now every month I get mine and it looks like it gets caught up in a machine.

A already pay more for first class delivery and would gladly pay a little more for the plastic wrap.

Somehow the weekly junk mail in a loose assortment of crap gets to me unscathed but the SS gets beat up for the last few months.

Plastic wrap would end that.

Brian
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Offline 49er

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2017, 06:11:44 AM »
George, you can still go to Burger King. 18.50 for 2 and you dont have to leave a tip. A real bargain !!
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Offline Steve Passmore

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2017, 06:42:32 AM »


I think we get a great value for what we pay and I would not mind paying an extra $20.00 a year for dues


$20??  Not taking sides here but the argument about how costly it would be has little substance.   I just did a quick search on eBay and the best deal I found was just $6 for 100 plastic mailing pouches.  On that reckoning, each member's dues would rise just a few cents.
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Offline gkhashem

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2017, 07:42:21 AM »
George, you can still go to Burger King. 18.50 for 2 and you dont have to leave a tip. A real bargain !!

Art at my age I cannot eat that stuff without getting some heartburn!

Only to be young again and eat anything I desire in any quantity. That and buy any nice car I see too. My wants are very simple at this age.
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Offline Art Director

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2017, 04:05:46 AM »
This issue comes up occasionally with the Publications Committee and yes, it's the Postal Service mangling the mail. I've been a CLC member over 23 years and can count on one hand the number of mangled issues I've received in Colorado.

The cost? Our printer quotes us $700 per month extra if all magazines are sent out in plastic bags. That equates to $7,700 per year extra your club would have to spend. The CLC Office gets a supply of about 25 issues each month that can be mailed as replacements. I can guarantee the postage spent mailing out replacement issues is far less than $7,700 per year. Foreign members get their magazines in bags and envelopes due to postal requirements in other countries. The Buick Club of America has an anonymous donor that pays for the bags on their magazine.

Good news - if you subscribe Periodical Class to The Self-Starter and you requested that a print copy of the membership directory be sent to you, both the November-December issue and the directory will be inserted into a plastic bag, as both must go together for the largest possible postal discount. First Class members will receive the print directory (if they opted in) and their magazine separate, as the directory must be sent as bulk rate.

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2017, 06:08:43 AM »
And we now know the......rest of the story!

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Offline Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2017, 07:37:02 AM »
Our printer quotes us $700 per month extra if all magazines are sent out in plastic bags. That equates to $7,700 per year extra your club would have to spend. The CLC Office gets a supply of about 25 issues each month that can be mailed as replacements. I can guarantee the postage spent mailing out replacement issues is far less than $7,700 per year.

If total CLC membership is 7,700, the increase in membership dues would equate to $1 per member per year to cover the cost of bagging the magazine. Just a thought.
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Offline mistertudball

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2017, 01:01:39 PM »
This just arrived in my mailbox and I'd have to say about half come this way or worse.  I'm not complaining nor do I want a replacement because I think I pay the periodical dues rate, I can still read and enjoy each issue, and I don't save them.  But I DO find it odd that all the other junk catalogs that come regularly are 100% pristine.  What up with that?
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Offline The Tassie Devil(le)

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2017, 05:18:32 PM »
I think you will find that the junk mail is locally delivered by non-postal employees.

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Offline Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2017, 06:08:32 PM »
I think you will find that the junk mail is locally delivered by non-postal employees.

Bruce .  >:D

I think the point is that the local PO is not the culprit therefore little to be gained by complaining to them.

Point 2: $1 per year per member seems a relative bargain for 10 or 11 issues to be wrapped. I'd happily pay 10x that for the Self Starter to arrive in excellent condition consistently.
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Offline Glen

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2017, 12:26:31 AM »
As I said in reply #26 above.  The local PO is first contact.  Take it up the chain. 
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Offline Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2017, 10:50:28 AM »
As I said in reply #26 above.  The local PO is first contact.  Take it up the chain.


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Offline Glen

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Re: Self Starter getting destroyed in mail.
« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2017, 02:01:47 AM »
OK so you donít really want to solve the problem.
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