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Offline manxie

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??? Pick-up ???
« on: October 06, 2017, 03:11:57 PM »
Hi folks. Just curious?

Is this a factory pickup by Cadillac or a DIY job?? Thanks.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cadillac-Deville-pickup-truck-/202074842303?hash=item2f0c9964bf:g:XI0AAOSwzSRZ16Mc
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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2017, 03:21:53 PM »
Cadillac made no factory pick up trucks.  This is a DIY job.

Offline manxie

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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2017, 03:42:14 PM »
Thank you  ;)
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Offline e.mason

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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2017, 03:50:45 PM »
Appears to be a "one of a kind" DIY.  I might suggest, that in the past, Cadillac did offer pickup trucks in the form of "Flower Cars"  Of course not built for plumbers and farmers.  None the less they had beds with a single front seat cab.  Naturally those in need of a pickup, would opt for the cheaper, Chevy, Ford etc.

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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2017, 06:13:08 PM »
Can't tell much about it from pics and description. "Believed to be one of two produced for Cadillac employee?? Upholstery looks a lot more like 138,000 miles than 39,000  to me.

Having said that I really like the crew cab aspect of it. I can even visualize it with a small camper in the bed!

I love driving around in cars that I will not see another coming the other way. As an example in the club my LaSalle equals are in Florida, and California and one with no address in the Directory.

I wold love to park this one between my others!!   Sometimes I miss my 1937 Lanchester for that reason. Never saw another one!
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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2017, 06:43:29 PM »
"I might suggest, that in the past, Cadillac did offer pickup trucks in the form of "Flower Cars" 
 
Cadillac did not "offer pickup trucks in the form of "Flower Cars".  Flower cars and Cadillac pickups were conversions built by aftermarket body builders such as Hess & Eisenhardt, American Coachworks, Caribou Motors and others.
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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2017, 09:29:56 PM »
You guys are forgetting about the Cadillac EXT which was a tricked out
Chevy Avalanche.  It WAS a crew cab pick up truck made from 2002
to 2013.  It was cancelled due to slow sales.

See here:

https://www.cars.com/research/cadillac-escalade_ext/

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Offline Steve Passmore

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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2017, 02:50:38 AM »
And to think that it's here too  I have never seen it.  Looks well done but a 4 door sedan pickup? Bet it doesn't take much weight with that overhang.
Steve

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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2017, 08:31:40 AM »
Hey folks need to modify some of the below info as Cadillac did offer a factory authorized and Dealer Ordered pick up with FULL FACTORY WARRANTY. It was the Cadillac Mirage in 1975 & 1976 only and they only made 204. See the excellent Self Starter article on this topic from earlier this year. FYI. Here is a photo of mine and one page of the ordering pamphlet. Enjoy!

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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2017, 08:57:16 AM »
Maybe a problem with my wording or semantics here.  The Mirage was sold by some larger Cadillac dealers, so was the Caribou built by Caribou Motors, but they were not necessarily "authorized" by Cadillac.  Caribou Motors brochures could be found at some Cadillac dealers as well.  Obviously Cadillac "allowed" dealers to sell them,  but the dealer's rubber stamp name and address on a brochure from Traditional Coachworks does not constitute "authorization" from Cadillac.  For these cars the customer bought a Coupe DeVille from the dealer first (but did not necessarily take physical delivery) and then the car was sent to Traditional Coachworks or Caribou where the conversion took place.

Guess what I should have said was, Cadillac did not build for sale to the public, flower cars, pickups, hearses, ambulances.  These were all outside builder conversions, or built on a commercial Cadilllac chassis by outside companies.  That is not to say that some one-offs were not built by the factory for promotional or investigative purposes or for some VIPs.  And yes indeed, Cadillac built the EXT, or really Chevrolet built it and Cadillac badged it and put in a different interior.
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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2017, 09:06:46 AM »
Hey folks need to modify some of the below info as Cadillac did offer a factory authorized and Dealer Ordered pick up with FULL FACTORY WARRANTY. 

Sorry, but no its not factory, nor authorized.    Those were made by Traditional Coach.   They took fully assembled new or used cars and converted them.    The factory only builds the standard car.   It is up to the selling dealer to sub contract out the conversion.   The factory has no say or control over the conversion, the quality of the conversion and will certainly not warranty any part of the conversion other than the parts of the car that were not touched.

Just because a dealer will put out brochures from aftermarket companies in the showroom rack doesn't mean they are factory authorized.   These are just done for clients who want something different.     

If the fiberglass tailgate won't open on your Caribu or Mirage pickup after a month or two, sure your dealer will take the car in their service department.  (if you had the conversion done thru the dealer)  but they will just pick up the phone and call traditional coachworks and tell them to come deal with it.   Cadillac motor car company will not warranty any non factory parts or workmanship.   

It is a myth that Cadillac authorized any pickup or wagon conversions.  I think people confuse the fact that some dealers would offer them to clients right in their showrooms.   

 


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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2017, 09:08:59 AM »
Thank you for adding to and clarifying my response, Dave.
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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2017, 09:16:31 AM »
Jeff,
There were a total of between 1800 and 2000 "Mirage" conversions done by coach works between 1975 and 1976 and sold through the Cadillac dealers. 
In 1979 American Custom Coachworks tried that again with the downsized cars as well as producing a convertible.  The total number of "trucks" is somewhere around 180-200.  They did not sell very well either.
All these conversions cars were delivered to the dealer, transported to the coach works for the work to be done and then returned to the Cadillac dealer for delivery to the customer who in most cases had already paid for the cars.
The Mirage was a $9,000.00 "option" on a $9,000.00 car.
The Paris was a $12,000 option on a $12,000 car. Paid in most cases in advance.
Can't imagine why more weren't sold.
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Offline manxie

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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2017, 10:51:22 AM »
Seems like I`ve got a bit of a discussion started here? So, are our thoughts about the pick up posted in my original question being a DIY job, or a proper conversion? I love the flower cars, ambulances etc but I`m not to sure about the pick up conversions I`ve seen??

Thanks for all the info guys, very informative!!!  :)
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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2017, 11:12:23 AM »
Steve,
That is most definitely a "one-off" conversion.
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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2017, 11:43:37 AM »
The 4 door seems to be the unique thing about this one.    I think the 4 door trucks started in the mid 70's so maybe someone really wanted a car version.

What does the VIN say that one started as?   You would think not a CC since its got 4 stock looking doors and the full interior.  Likely much easier to start with a Deville in that case.
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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2017, 12:12:21 PM »
The auction description calls it a DeVille but the VIN would tell for sure.
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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2017, 12:13:03 PM »
Whoever did the conversion on the one offered on ebay, it looks like they did pretty a pretty decent job!

The bid at the time of my post is at 2,678.68 USD.

I also note that the vehicle sports a Texas license plate on the tailgate.  The TX plate goes with the horns on the hood!
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Re: ??? Pick-up ???
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2017, 05:02:52 AM »
Just my two cents, but this car may have started life as a Maloney Limousine conversion. If you notice the rear quarter panel behind the rear door has been extended, I believe that is how Maloney stretched their limousine conversion.
This car was also in Texas at a car lot called Bliss Auto, however I am not sure how long ago.

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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2017, 11:13:09 AM »
Pickups!?!  Cadillac made the "Cadillac of Pickups!!!" The Escalade EXT.
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