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Offline Jeff Maltby 4194

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Offline walt chomosh #23510

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2017, 10:07:48 AM »
Jeff,
  I read the whole article on MSN news and was totally shocked! Times are changing whether we like it or not.(if you don't your probably old like me!)...walt...tulsa,ok

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2017, 10:19:38 AM »
They've been talking about this stuff for years. Yes, it's happening slowly. But how are they going to get every car off the road, other than taking away the gas supply. The will be a revolution in the country if that happens. Would be easier to limit the amount of people entering the country to keep the population down. Why should everyone have to suffer because the country is overpopulated. It's one of the last guilty pleasures that I'm allowed to indulge in  >:D........
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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2017, 10:46:07 AM »
They've been talking about this stuff for years. Yes, it's happening slowly. But how are they going to get every car off the road, other than taking away the gas supply. The will be a revolution in the country if that happens. Would be easier to limit the amount of people entering the country to keep the population down. Why should everyone have to suffer because the country is overpopulated. It's one of the last guilty pleasures that I'm allowed to indulge in  >:D........
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Offline Steve Passmore

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2017, 11:05:52 AM »
Quite frightening. Glad I won't be around to see it. Those that grow up with it won't know any different.  People must have spoken this way about horses :o
Steve

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2017, 02:25:02 PM »
I have concluded that I am a visitor in the 21st century.
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Offline MeToo

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2017, 03:35:27 PM »
According to various 'predictions' in the 1950s and 60s we're all supposed to have flying cars and be living in a moon colony. Cars aren't just a way from A to B, they're freedom, individuality etc.

Offline Mike Josephic CLC #3877

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2017, 04:04:17 PM »
Yes, I remember reading Popular Science magazine when I was a kid in the
50's. Two common threads that were discussed every few months were the
future of transportation and space travel.

By the 70's, we were told, everyone would have their own individual flying
vehicle for the daily commute.  Vacations to the moon and mars would be
everyday things!  You have to realize that this was the dawn of the space age,
with Sputnik (Russian) and Explorer 1 (our satellite) that showed everything
was possible.  Remember JFK's "man on the moon in the next decade" speech?
How about the Airforce's "Project Blue Book" (aliens from space, UFO sightings).

As for Bob Lutz, I saw him give speeches in his prime over 20 years ago.  He
was quite a guy.  Unfortunately, after reading his latest rant about the
"future" I do believe he's slowly getting senile.

To paraphrase Mark Twain, "talk of the demise of the automotive is greatly
exaggerated".

Mike
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Offline The Tassie Devil(le)

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2017, 07:11:19 PM »
Glad I will be long dead before this happens.

But I have one question.   If it does come to happen before I kark it, how am I going to tow and launch my boat, and retreive it when I want to.   Suppose I will have to move to a Canal site, and have a private jetty and davits.

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Offline D.Smith

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2017, 07:50:05 PM »
Won't happen.     Remember when Chrysler was on the verge of closing?   Lee Iacocca proved to Congress that too many US jobs relied on the auto industry from Chrysler.     Can you imagine if all car companies and their support network closed?   Manufacturing, Dealers, service centers, auto insurance, body shops, gas stations, auto glass replacement industry, omg everywhere you look so many jobs are reliant on the car today.

But things are indeed changing right now.    Look at Uber.    It has virtually shut down the Taxi industry in many cities. 

Cars have had adaptive cruise control systems for many years now   These radar controlled systems are the precursor to automated driving.   I often use my adaptive cruise control on the highway to pace myself with traffic.   Set it for 75mph and get in the middle lane.   I just let the car lock onto the car in front of me and it adjusts the speed accordingly.    I just steer.   It is very relaxing on the ride home from work.     I can see how Cadillacs new "Super Cruise" fully automated driving will take that to the next level.   Just one step away from driverless cars.   

With the rise of traffic accidents and fatalities from distracted driving  (cell phone use and texting) I can see people giving up driving for those Google driverless pod cars.   Then they can talk and text all they want.     I'll be happy to pilot my gas guzzling car around them in traffic. 

If more and more people use electric pods to get around that means less demand for gas.   Supplies will surge and the price will drop.   But I think it will be a lonnng time before fully self driving cars monopolize the roads. 

Just think about it.    You own a self driving Google pod car.   You don't even need to drive to the grocery store.  You go online to shop and place your order.   You then send your self driving Google pod car to the super market where the bag boy come out and loads the groceries bags into the pod car.   The car drives itself home so you can unload it.   Pretty scary eh?

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2017, 01:42:43 AM »
The scary part for me is the transition period. And that is fast coming.  With the automatic features like automatically keeping the car in the lane, automatic braking etc. The driver becomes more casual about his/her driving responsibility.  They lose situational awareness.  Thatís when accidents happen.
On the other hand driverless cars have a long ways to go, I think.  I would not want one that will not exceed the speed limit, around here everyone goes 10 MPH over.  If I was in a car that did not exceed the speed limit I would be the most hated person.  The cars need to keep up with traffic. 

They also need a little more guts.  I read of one self driving car that got stalled at the 4 way stop.  It was programed to not move until all other cars came to a stop.  None did, so it just sat there. 
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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2017, 02:36:24 AM »
They just had a NEWS item regarding driverless vehicles, and for us here in Australia, they said that there would have to be a minimum of 700 Law changes, and that doesn't take into account the Insurance Industry problems involving them.

Plus, Until the prices come down to a respectable level, which will include the low-priced Used Car Market, it will take a very long time to come into being.

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2017, 03:55:53 AM »
I hear ya. I, for one, am thrilled to be the guardian of a wonderful, classic 1955 Cadillac, and plan to enjoy the hell out of it for as long as I live!!!

Offline Steve Passmore

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2017, 04:08:56 AM »
Our Government has announced that the sale of Deisel or petrol cars will be banned here 20 years from now, and all will be electric I suppose?  That's crazy when there is no feasible alternative in place right now, plus successive governments will be able to amend and delay any such plans.  I don't see it happening.  Hundred years perhaps.
What beats the hell out of me is all these tree huggers advocating electric, but just where do they think the electric comes from? Mostly fossil fuel power stations in this country!!  There needs to be a much better way of harvesting and storing electricity for it to work.
Our government seems to always be under the impression that this small island can make a difference to the global warming. What nonsense when a country the size of China produces more CO2 in a few days that we do in a whole year, and they have no intention of stopping.  Sorry, my rant for the day.
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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2017, 05:29:12 AM »
You can rant Steve, you are correct.

The government is slowly restricting the freedom to move about. They are thinking of restricting cars in big cities now, then a ban eventually. For all those who poo poo it, you must have been around when automobiles came about. Never would we not use the horse and buggy, then went out and invested in a horse whip factory. I remember a business case study where a wealthy family in the 1890s set up a trust where all the funds were to be invested in the Pullman car company. We can guess how that turned out! Can you say would you like fries with that, or maybe paper or plastic?

The only thing I agree with is that will not happen soon, but I would bet you guys that in 50 years and maybe less we will be off the roads and only the ruling class will be able to move about freely.

Out of sight, out of mind makes people so gullible. These people think electricity is CLEAN......  It's a lack of education and critical thinking.

I think I read somewhere that you cannot commit suicide in a closed garage with the car running anymore. So how clean is that!

I guess Hollywood will need a new plot line to commit suicide... on second thought they are doing a good job of doing that to themselves lately with all the scandals.

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2017, 07:18:23 AM »
The world will continue to evolve and there is little we can do but follow Mickey's comments to drive and enjoy our cars. It's a cold but sunny day in Ohio this morning and I'm driving my 41 to the office. When we can no longer do this I'll reflect on the ditty written long ago by some poor guy dealing with war rationing:
When I die please bury me,
Neath a ton of sugar by a rubber tree.
Lay me to rest in my auto machine,
And water my grave with gasoline.
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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2017, 07:24:17 AM »
Guys/girls,
  When I briefed my wife (approaching 70yrs old) on the "end of the automotive era article" article she commented that "I thought that "the Jetsons" were supposed to lead us to be in flying cars by now".  The next mourning I saw a news article that said there are 19 different driverless flying car companies working on them at this moment!.....walt....tulsa,ok

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2017, 07:27:00 AM »
I hear ya. I, for one, am thrilled to be the guardian of a wonderful, classic 1955 Cadillac, and plan to enjoy the hell out of it for as long as I live!!!

I'm taking my '53 with me when I go. Gotta figure how to get a trailer hitch on it though, a few other goodies I'd hate to part with too.
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Offline Big Apple Caddy

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2017, 07:47:23 AM »
According to various 'predictions' in the 1950s and 60s we're all supposed to have flying cars and be living in a moon colony. Cars aren't just a way from A to B, they're freedom, individuality etc.

Agree.  So-called industry professionals/experts (current or retired) have been predicting all sorts of stuff over the many many decades, many of which don't actually come true or at least not to the degree as predicted.

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Re: The end of the automotive era
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2017, 08:01:31 AM »
The scary part for me is the transition period. And that is fast coming.  With the automatic features like automatically keeping the car in the lane, automatic braking etc. The driver becomes more casual about his/her driving responsibility.  They lose situational awareness.  Thatís when accidents happen.
 

It happened to me!    I am so used to my adaptive cruise control slowing my car for me when I come up behind a slower car that I get complacent.     Recently I was driving a different car with regular old fashioned cruise control set and I found myself overtaking a slower car and suddenly realizing I had to take control and hit the brakes!

The one feature I still don't rely on 100% is the back up camera.  I still find myself looking back over my shoulder most of the time.   But I suppose if you are a younger person whose cars have always had it they will become reliant on it.

 

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