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Offline grantatx

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'70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« on: November 26, 2017, 10:01:48 PM »
Hi All,

It's time to get some sounds in to the convertible, so I went to a local auto audio store today and asked them what they recommended. Kick panel speakers are apparently the done thing, but they want to make custom kick panel enclosures to hold the speakers - these would run $600. It's a bit rich for my blood, has anyone else done similar for a lesser cost?

Many thanks in advance,

Grant

Offline Jeff Rose CLC #28373

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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2017, 10:09:43 PM »
Do you have the dash with stereo speakers?
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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2017, 10:42:55 PM »
Even if he does they are only 3 & 1/2 in speakers.
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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2017, 08:00:45 AM »
Yes, but perhaps some higher $$ speakers there would save cutting the kick panel.
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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2017, 08:07:54 AM »
If an A/C car, the passenger side could be a bit challenging with the inlet for the A/C right there.  I would assume it would have to protrude into the footwell area quite a bit.
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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2017, 09:05:51 AM »
Yes, it is an A/C car - I haven't had a close look at the kick panels, didn't realize there was an A/C inlet there. It does have the twin speakers in the top of the dash - I guess I will have to go and have a listen to some 3 1/2 speakers and see if there's anything that can come close to 6 1/2 inch speakers.

Thanks for the info!

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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2017, 11:39:51 AM »
What I have been seeing more and more lately is a custom built center console that sits on 'the hump'.   Depending on the space and design it can incorporate all the modern convinces like speakers, modern radio, cupholders,  usb charge ports.     The can be designed to be easily removed for security or shows.   One design I really liked the person attached it to a custom made reproduction carpet mat so it did double duty of protecting the original carpet and holding the console.   
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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2017, 12:00:45 PM »
Speaker technology has come quite a long way.  Think of the sound you can get from bookshelf speakers in a home audio setup for example.  You should be able to get a couple 3 1/2" speakers that you could push quite a bit of power to and still be pleased with performance.
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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2017, 12:06:32 PM »
I have a dual coil 4x10 in the dash, a dual coil 6x9 in the convertible rear speaker well and a small box 12" in the trunk. I use a 5 channel class d amp with Bluetooth . I can connect via an iPad, it sounds great, and I didn't have to cut anything or remove the original radio. Looks completely stock.
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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2017, 03:02:49 PM »
Thanks all, I see now there are other options. I like the idea of some high-end 3 1/2 speakers in the existing dash positions, a 6x9 in the rear well, and a subwoofer in the trunk. No modification required, and should be ample sound.

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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2017, 03:24:57 PM »
I went thru that on my 70 conv. There is almost NO room for any quality dash speakers. I put a split speaker in the back seat grille. The one I wanted was on long back order. I had to modify the seat frame for my second choice. There's just no room for a quality speaker with a big magnet. NOT a fun job.
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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2017, 05:17:36 PM »
This is what I have and am very happy with it.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_068R69N/RetroSound-R-69N.html



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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2017, 04:08:11 AM »
Right now, I have 2 6.5 inch pioneer walmart specials in the passenger seat footwell, pointed facing down from underneath the dash.  I've wondered if quality 3.5s, with their more acoustically appropriate position, would be superior to larger speakers mounted feebly.  It's true that there doesn't seem to be a good option.  Can we stuff a slightly larger speaker in the stock dash location? 

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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2017, 09:08:16 AM »
Yes, it is an A/C car - I haven't had a close look at the kick panels, didn't realize there was an A/C inlet there. It does have the twin speakers in the top of the dash - I guess I will have to go and have a listen to some 3 1/2 speakers and see if there's anything that can come close to 6 1/2 inch speakers.

Thanks for the info!

The other problem that you will run into is that the magnets on the modern speakers are quite a bit bigger and most likely will not fit in where the current speakers are. If I remember correctly (this was a looong time ago) with my 19070 Fleetwood, I could get one new front 3 &1/2 speaker to fit but not the other. Can't remember which side.

Now, the old speakers had good magnets - the local speaker / HiFi exchanges here say that they are better quality than the larger more inefficient magnets today, so if your magnets are good, any decent speaker store should be able to put new cones and perhaps voice coils in your existing speakers. That's what I had done to my convertible (AM only one speaker up front & in back) because a new 6x9 speaker would not fit in the area behind the chrome grill on the back seat. And I didn't even try with the front speaker which I think is a 4x10 (or a 6x9).

They work fine, but AM only, so I had a new unit put under the ashtray. I'll have to look into what TJ Hoplalong was writing about.

This is what I have and am very happy with it.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_068R69N/RetroSound-R-69N.html


That speaker looks decent sand it will actually fit. The back, that is.  Pretty sure it won't fit the front of a non-stereo car, which I'm pretty sure is a 4x10, again, with NO extra clearances.


Right now, I have 2 6.5 inch pioneer walmart specials in the passenger seat footwell, pointed facing down from underneath the dash.  I've wondered if quality 3.5s, with their more acoustically appropriate position, would be superior to larger speakers mounted feebly.  It's true that there doesn't seem to be a good option.  Can we stuff a slightly larger speaker in the stock dash location? 

NO, in most cases even a same sized speaker won't fit. I also have some 5 or 6" round speakers up under the dash pointing down and the carpeting soaks up almost all the sound!!! That hump mounted solution might be in order.

What I did was I left the original AM radio in place because it still works and I had the original speakers re-coned. But it's AM only. I had a modern single DIN sized unit (Kenwood AM-FM-CD-MP3disc-USB-Bluetooth-phone paired) put in an under dash mount that I had for some 30 years. I just screwed it to the bottom of the ashtray. Up front are the two speakers that get most of their sound absorbed by the carpeting. In the back a had two 6.5" put on the rear quarter interior panels. Yes I had to cut the panels, but so what, the vinyl already needed replacement. In the trunk is a 4 channel amp and a single channel amp (both Kicker) that power the 4 speakers and the 10" Kicker sub-woofer.

If I could get a reasonably priced hump mount, it would hold the head unit and two front speakers. and be an quick disconnect for shows. I would have to remove the Kicker sub-woofer from the trunk or put a big grey blanket on it.  :P But then again with other showy where "authenticity" is not a PITA of the first order of magnitude, the modern radio, amps and sub-woofer would be a plus  8)

Now I can actually hear it while cruising at interstate speeds with the top down.  ;)
« Last Edit: November 28, 2017, 10:12:54 AM by cadillacmike68 »
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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2017, 05:31:15 PM »
Check this guy out for speakers that will fit correctly. I've used his 67 Corvette speakers in cars I have worked on, and it is a very good speaker, with the correct electrical specs for that particular radio. (a CRUCIAL spec)

http://www.turnswitch.com/speakers.htm
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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2017, 06:06:56 PM »
Check this guy out for speakers that will fit correctly. I've used his 67 Corvette speakers in cars I have worked on, and it is a very good speaker, with the correct electrical specs for that particular radio. (a CRUCIAL spec)

http://www.turnswitch.com/speakers.htm

Will those 6x9s fit in the back grille of our non-stereo DeVille convertibles??

It looks like they are using some original metal frames on some of their offerings and either original or replacement alnico magnets.. I still say that if your magnets are good, a good local speak company can re-cone them.
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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2017, 07:44:38 PM »
I saw one that said it was made to fit into that rear seat grille in a convertible. GM used the same one in all convertibles that had that center grille setup.
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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2017, 09:36:53 PM »
Lots of good ideas in this thread! So what I'm going to try is:

2* 6 1/2 speakers in the kick panels - will attempt to fabricate a solution myself
Single dual voice coil 6*9 as suggested above for the rear well
2 * 10 inch sub woofers in the trunk

I'm ordering the components as we speak, will report back as I put it all together.

Thanks everyone for your input!


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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2017, 10:41:31 PM »
Two 10" sub-woofers in a Convertible trunk might take up too much trunk space. You need room for the amp(s) as well. That's giving up a lot of trunk space...
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Re: '70 Deville - kick panel speakers
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2017, 10:54:26 PM »
The 6x9 fits perfectly without any modifications.

The 4x10 had to have the drivers side of the speakers basket turned off to clear the dashboard brace. Didn't affect sound quality.

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