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Offline chrisntam

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Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« on: December 02, 2017, 08:56:33 PM »
What were the Cadillac engines used in during WWII (The Big One - according to Archie Bunker)?

Tanks?  Which one(s)?

What else did Cadillac contribute to during the war?
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Offline Bobby B

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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2017, 10:29:40 PM »
What were the Cadillac engines used in during WWII (The Big One - according to Archie Bunker)?

Tanks?  Which one(s)?

What else did Cadillac contribute to during the war?

Our trusty 346 Flatheads, of Course!!!  ;)
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Offline Caddyholic

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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2017, 11:12:00 PM »
Used in M5 Stuart and M24 Chaffee tanks and I think some landing crafts.
I got myself a Cadillac but I can't afford the gasoline (AC/DC Down Payment Blues)

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Offline Steve Passmore

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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2017, 03:16:28 AM »
What were the Cadillac engines used in during WWII (The Big One - according to Archie Bunker)?

Tanks?  Which one(s)?

What else did Cadillac contribute to during the war?

More things than you can imagine. Apart from the M5 and M24 Chaffee as already mentioned they did indeed power landing craft. Twin engines for the LVT3.    Cadillac also produced a range of motorized gun carriages. The M8  M37 and the M19A. They also produced engines for the GMC T18E2 and built parts for Allison aircraft engines.
As a side note. The motorized gun carriage engines were the easiest to retrofit to the car with hardly any crankcase modification.  Interesting link below.

http://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/General%20Motors/cadillac.htm
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Offline P W Allen CLC# 20193

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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2017, 05:32:57 AM »
Here's what they looked like installed.
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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2017, 09:06:04 AM »
Our very own CLC member Jeff Shively wrote a book titled "It Came Out Fighting!: Cadillac Motor Car Division's rise to dominance of the luxury car market after World War II" which may be of interest.  Available at https://www.amazon.com/Came-Out-Fighting-Divisions-dominance/dp/1434348342 and on eBay.
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Offline Steve Passmore

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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2017, 10:35:17 AM »
This picture shows one of the marine engines in the landing craft
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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2017, 11:52:58 AM »
Cadillac also published a very nice prestige brochure in 1943 about its war effort. It had stiff covers and 50 pages with lots of good photographs. I sold one a while back from my Cadillac Lit listings in the For Sale section. These come up from time to time on eBay. Fascinating reading!

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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2017, 12:55:02 PM »
...and some 1946 Cadillacs too!

Despite management having frowned upon the practice, a certain number of '46 Cadillacs left the factory with the tank engine installed. It was generally more robustly built than the civilian 346 but I cannot comment on specific differences. Many engine parts are not interchangeable. 

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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2017, 01:26:49 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2017, 02:44:23 PM »
I had already linked that Mr Gomez :)
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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2017, 04:16:05 PM »
I had already linked that Mr Gomez :)

 :o did not read all post just scrolled down to the last one..!  :D
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Offline 59-in-pieces

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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2017, 11:21:32 AM »
Steve,
What a great read - so far only got through the GM - Cadillac Section - I mean WOW what an effort.
Was this an accumulation of many many contributors, or the single work of David D Jackson.
Thanks for the reference materials.
Have fun,
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Offline Quentin Hall

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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2017, 04:05:20 PM »
I have a Frank Burrel dual carb intake that was proposed for the 346 tank engine but was later adapted  by Frank as a post war hop up accessory.
Id love a pair of the tank heads with the Cadillac writing. Anyone in oz got some old tank bits?
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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2017, 04:24:24 PM »
Great post and it also verified that there was a bottom exit in some tanks. I love the movie Fury and it ends with an escape through the lower exit that I figured was probbaly just fiction.
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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2017, 07:35:24 PM »
Gary,
If I'm thinking of the same movie, I also doubted the exit.
But, what a luck young GI when the young "krout" looked under the tank and let him live - only in the movies I would guess.
Have fun,
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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2017, 12:56:38 PM »
Actually a highly decorated British soldier had a clear chance to shoot Adolph Hitler in WW-1.   That was also depicted in a movie and I cross checked it and found it to be true.  I call points like that turning points and in that case the world suffered greatly due to him not taking the opportunity at that potential turning point.
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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2017, 07:24:45 AM »
I had a friend in junior high school whose father was a tanker in Patton's army. He told me that his dad said that they used the hatch to dispose of the used rounds and that sometimes Germans would lie under the tank to shoot when they opened the hatch. He said they had a sidearm ready in case that happened.
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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2017, 04:03:00 PM »
Could they have been disposing of duds? Scarey to be in iron enclosure with a dud? 

1911-45 caliber semiautomatic was normal weapon for tankers. I was affiliated with them in 1961.   
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Re: Cadillac and WWII - engines used in what?
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2017, 05:39:24 PM »
I have a Frank Burrel dual carb intake that was proposed for the 346 tank engine but was later adapted  by Frank as a post war hop up accessory.
Id love a pair of the tank heads with the Cadillac writing. Anyone in oz got some old tank bits?

Quentin,

There were two types of Cadillac flathead brought to Oz in WW2 - the G1 version (a modified car engine) and the G3 version - purpose buit for military use and HUGELY different to the G1. They were used in the "Sentinel" Cruiser Tanks built here by the Oz defence supply mob (three 346 flatheads - two for forward and one for reverse) until more plentiful tanks became available from the US later in the War. One of these tanks, the "Thunderbolt" (there is one in the Oz War Memorial holding centre in Canberra) had what was called a "Perrier" Cadillac engine - three (3) 346 flatheads arranged around a common crankcase (see attached photo if it works). Had over 700 hp apparently.

They also marinised lots of these engines into launches etc. etc. and I have a GMH manual for these engines that I will try to post a bit of too. In short, if they could be fitted to anything that would help the War effort, they were. Hundreds of them ended their days as irrigation pump motors and country town cinema generator motors here. They still turn up, now and again. I have a fully restored G1 (3F ---- engine number) from my '37.
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