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WTB 2 cigarette lighters for a 1940 Series 90

Started by KD, May 28, 2016, 05:54:53 PM

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KD

I think these are the correct ones, can anyone verify if these are correct?
This is all I need to finish my 5 year restoration.
KD CLC#26801
Ken Dennison

1935 Auburn S/C Cabroilet
1940 Cadillac V16 7 passenger Imperial Sedan (9033)
1929 Ford Closed Cab Pick Up
1960 Austin Healey Sprite

Steve Passmore

Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

Ken,
IMHO those are much later & not even Cadillac.
Bob
1968 Eldorado slick top ,white/red interior
2015 Holden Ute HSV Maloo red/black interior.
             
Too much fun is more than you can have.

harry s

I agree with Bob. I can't find any pictures but I think the rear seat lighters had a bake-lite knob.      Harry
Harry Scott 4195
1941 6733
1948 6267X
2011 DTS Platinum

Barry M Wheeler #2189

I agree with the reddish brown Bakelite handle. I seem to remember a "T" shaped handle. Is that correct?
If this is all you need to finish a five year restoration, call Ed Cholakian at AllCads and pay his price, so you can say it's done.
Barry M. Wheeler #2189


1981 Cadillac Seville
1991 Cadillac Seville

Bobby B

Quote from: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on May 28, 2016, 08:39:14 PM
Call Ed Cholakian at AllCads and pay his price, so you can say it's done.

:o :o :o
           Bobby
1947 Cadillac Series 62 Convertible Coupe
1968 Mustang Convertible
1973 Mustang Convertible
1969 Jaguar E-Type Roadster
1971 Datsun 240Z
1979 H-D FLH

KD

According to the authenticity manual, they are supposed to be chrome for 1940. I did speak with Lauren and she said to send a picture but I don't know what they look like.
Anyone have a picture of the correct one for 1940??
KD CLC#26801
Ken Dennison

1935 Auburn S/C Cabroilet
1940 Cadillac V16 7 passenger Imperial Sedan (9033)
1929 Ford Closed Cab Pick Up
1960 Austin Healey Sprite

David King (kz78hy)

#7
Here are some shots of  '40 custom 60 series built for the head of Cadillac at the time.  These were taken at the Gilmore museum in 09.  Seems this car has some 90 series features, so maybe the lighters are the same...at least you have a period lighter reference.

Removed steering wheel image as associated with wrong car...thanks Berry Wheeler.

David
David King
CLC 22014  (life)
1958 Eldorado Brougham 615
1959 Eldorado Brougham 56- sold
1960 Eldorado Brougham 83- sold
1998 Deville d'Elegance
1955 Eldorado #277
1964 Studebaker Commander
2012 Volt
CLCMRC benefactor 197

Director and Founder, Eldorado Brougham Chapter
Past President, Motor City Region

Rare Parts brand suspension parts Retailer via Keep'em Running Automotive

Brad Ipsen CLC #737

The white plastic ash tray cover on the custom 40-60S is not the same as the normal one on the 75 and 90 series cars which are brown so I don't think this is a good reference.  I do not remember the source of the info for the statement in the authenticity manual that the 40 had chrome lighters but look in the front for the names of the people that reviewed this (Carl Steig, Ron Van Gelderen, Doug Houston, Roy Schneider, etc.) so I would go with it until shown otherwise.  Attached is a picture of an unrestored 1940 V-16 Town Car.  It does not show the lighter very well but what shows is chrome.
Brad Ipsen
1940 Cadillac 60S
1938 Cadillac 9039
1940 Cadillac 6267
1940 LaSalle 5227
1949 Cadillac 6237X
1940 Cadillac 60S Limo

denniscaddy

I have quite a number of various lighters from this period, but I don't know what is correct for your car.  When you settle on what is right, let me know and I may have one or two.
dennis@caddyparts.com

Dennis
CLC 3676
1941 Fleetwood 60S
2017 CT6

Barry M Wheeler #2189

After reading Dennis' reply, I suddenly remembered that I have a 1940 Fleetwood Deluxe spiral bound catalog.

Although the illustrations are artist's renderings, the lighter tops are quite visible, and (dark brown bakelite.)

It may be that they changed to chrome in production, but as (I think) they used Bakelite in 1941 (I had a 6719F for some time), and I believe I remember the brown colored ones in the radio console.

I hope this helps. No matter what my illustrious peers may have said in the manual. Now if you REALLY want to know, give Terry a call.
Barry M. Wheeler #2189


1981 Cadillac Seville
1991 Cadillac Seville

Steve Passmore

I thinks its plain they used different types in different series and different years. All my 41s have chrome lighters, never seen a brown or Bakelite type. My 1940 was also chrome but these are all 61 or 62 series.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

Barry M Wheeler #2189

I was concerned as the men saying that they used a chrome one bothered me. I mean, they have had the cars. So, I just looked through all of the brochure. It would seem that some models used a lighter with partial chrome, and others used the Bakelite. The convertible sedan has a close up of the RH lighter that I will see if I can scan. It's too close to supper time to do it now, and then I have choir practice. I'll try to get it done this evening when I get back.
Barry M. Wheeler #2189


1981 Cadillac Seville
1991 Cadillac Seville

Barry M Wheeler #2189

I just tried to scan the brochure, but for some reason, it doesn't recognize the computer. I'll try in the morning. In looking again at all the drawings, I think the "chrome" I'm seeing is the circle on the top which is chromed. There is a brown knob with an inset circle of chrome on the top.

It says in the Master Parts Book that the knob is to be ordered from the chassis book GP 7.3163. It has different knobs for 1938-75, 1939, and 1940. I assume that these are for the front.

All of the Senior cars from 1938-1940 use the same ones and the part is called a "button." Given what little information we can glean from the parts book, it would seem that the Senior cars 1938-40 all used the same lighter and from the art work in the brochure, that is a brown plastic with a chromed circle on the "top."

Again, I would call Terry Wenger as the only "expert" other than the ones named that I know of that might know for sure. Dennis, do you have anything like that in your stash?

A lighter is easily lost and after this amount of time, what is "right" is getting harder and harder to substantiate.
Given the large amount of wood in the rear compartment, I'd go for the one pictured in the brochure.
Barry M. Wheeler #2189


1981 Cadillac Seville
1991 Cadillac Seville

Brad Ipsen CLC #737

Parts book would not be the decider here unless you can find the one year only parts books.  I only have a 38 only parts book.  The parts department did not care if the part was an exact replacement, only that it would work.  There are many examples of this which I have gone into before.  Terry and I wrote the authenticity manual and was reviewed by the names listed and by others.  Terry may remember the source of information on this issue.
Brad Ipsen
1940 Cadillac 60S
1938 Cadillac 9039
1940 Cadillac 6267
1940 LaSalle 5227
1949 Cadillac 6237X
1940 Cadillac 60S Limo

Steve Passmore

This is all getting confusing. Studying the pictures that David posted of the 1940 Special custom I see its got a variety of features. The main window winder is all chrome with a centre of cream plastic. The lighter looks to be all plastic and the vent winder winder all chrome??  Now would they have fitted such a difference in fittings? or have things been changed by restorers over the years?

I had a 1941 61 series last years and all the window fittings were chrome with a brown plastic centre. It never had a lighter so I can't comment on that, then I had another 61 which was all chrome!!     I also had a 62 series and everything in that car was all chrome as are everything in all the 62 series I have had.
. Personally? I think they fitted whatever they wanted at the factory.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

David King (kz78hy)

The SO car that the photos are of is unrestored and that is why I thought it might be a good referance of what was possible.  I'm thinking the shape and detail of the lighter might be what was used.  I suspect that the ivory color used in the car could be special and one off for this car.

David
David King
CLC 22014  (life)
1958 Eldorado Brougham 615
1959 Eldorado Brougham 56- sold
1960 Eldorado Brougham 83- sold
1998 Deville d'Elegance
1955 Eldorado #277
1964 Studebaker Commander
2012 Volt
CLCMRC benefactor 197

Director and Founder, Eldorado Brougham Chapter
Past President, Motor City Region

Rare Parts brand suspension parts Retailer via Keep'em Running Automotive

Steve Passmore

I take your point David but the car is 76 years old so who knows what would have been changed in that time?. If an item broke or got lost that was peculiar to a SO car who knows what they fitted as replacements?
That lighter looks a looks a lot more pronounced out of the ash tray than most I have seen.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

Barry M Wheeler #2189

#18
Let's see if this comes through. Surprise, it did. No matter what some of you think, Cadillac would not have installed parts willy-nilly at their discretion. This IS the Standard of the World, isn't it? Why do you think we have NOS items available? Because Cadillac had barrels of parts available when these cars were new. Just because you have seen two, three, or even a dozen cars and something was different, that means that someone other than the factory changed the part. (The lighter might be sticking out further than usual because it wasn't pushed all the way in by the owner on the SO car.)

I've spent about two hours trying to get a good picture of what was purportedly used in the car. If it is of help, I am pleased.
Barry M. Wheeler #2189


1981 Cadillac Seville
1991 Cadillac Seville

Steve Passmore

Quote from: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on June 02, 2016, 09:46:17 AM
(The lighter might be sticking out further than usual because it wasn't pushed all the way in by the owner on the SO car.)



Point taken Barry. Your pictures of a brochure tell the true story for me but what year and model is it? as the lighter is a different colour to the one in Davids pictures.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe