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1958 Coupe DeVille all original

Started by fishchipper, February 05, 2015, 04:03:15 PM

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D.Yaros

Hard to tell/say given variables such as lighting, computers, etc.  One man's opinion, mine, is that the color is indeed off.  Not dark enough.  I would think a repaint would hold without problem is properly prep'd and applied.
Dave Yaros
CLC #25195
55 Coupe de Ville
92 Allante
62 Olds  

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savemy67

Chip,

Your safest approach is to get the can of Dupli-Color from the shop (not any can - the can) and read the list of ingredients paying attention to the solvents used.  Then contact Bill Hirsch and confirm that their paint is compatible with the Dupli-Color.  From the photos, the blue on the engine looks too vibrant.  Good luck.

Christopher Winter
Christopher Winter
1967 Sedan DeVille hardtop

PHIL WHYTE CLC 14192

Welcome to the CLC. I agree - it's only original once. Always go right through the braking system though - you need to be able to stop, at least rebuild kits and hoses and set the drums up to factory spec as per the workshop manual [feeler gauge through slots in the drums]. You are very very lucky getting that car in original condition. Phil

Jeff Rosansky CLC #28373

Wow, What a car!  Your story made me smile.
The engine is out of the car--get the color right while it is out of the car no matter what you have to do.
Put seatbelts in it.  You have kids.  There are ways to do it so they could be hidden, etc but put the belts in.
Keep us all updated on this and post pictures.  What a wonderful find!!
Jeff
Jeff Rosansky
CLC #28373
1970 Coupe DeVille (Big Red)
1955 Series 62 (Baby Blue)
Dad's new 1979 Coupe DeVille

fishchipper

I was asked to put up a few interior photos of the condition of the car.  So, ask and you shall receive.  I don't have a ton to do on the inside.  It's in pretty darn good shape.




The A/C that was added to the car at some point works great, but is looking a little shabby.  Right now, I'm good with function over form.



Walter Youshock

Gorgeous.   I can smell that old Cadillac interior just from the photos.

Am I seeing things or does this car have the Eldorado trimmed brake and accelerator pedals?
CLC #11959 (Life)
1957 Coupe deVille
1991 Brougham

57eldoking

1957 Eldorado Biarritz #906
1957 Eldorado Biarritz #1020 http://bit.ly/1kTvFlM
1957 Eldorado Seville  #1777 http://bit.ly/1T3Uo1c
1995 Fleetwood Brougham  http://bit.ly/20YwJV4
2010 SRX Performance

1946 Chevy 1/2 ton pickup
1957 Buick Caballero Estate Wagon (x2)
1960 Chevy Apache 10 Stepside
1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (x2)
1992 Pontiac Trans Sport GT

Jon S

Quote from: Walter Youshock on February 19, 2015, 03:57:44 PM

Am I seeing things or does this car have the Eldorado trimmed brake and accelerator pedals?

I noticed the same thing - it shouldn't.
Jon

1958 Cadillac Sedan De Ville
1973 Lincoln Continental Coupe
1981 Corvette
2004 Mustang GT

fishchipper

I've got a few more questions that I hope someone can answer.  The engine rebuild is still coming along, and the shop is recommending running some Royal Purple break-in oil to start and then draining that and replacing it with 10W-30 oil.  I've read on here that some skip the break-in oil and just go straight to the 10W-30.  I hope I am not opening a Pandora's box of arguments, but I'm just curious as to whether there are any concerns with using the break-in oil first.  Thoughts??  I don't really see any harm in using it.

I'll happily take recommendations on what brand of oil you are running in your 50's cars too and whether you are adding the zddp or just using a brand of oil off the shelf.

Oh, and to answer about the brake and accelerator pedals....I have no idea if/when they were changed.  Everything else was original in this car, and I can't see the prior owners having changed out those pedals, but anything is possible when something is 50+ years-old.  I honestly am not sure if that was an option to have those pedals or if it came on some trim models, but I haven't changed them, and the woman I got the car from didn't change them either.

Jon S

Quote from: fishchipper on February 27, 2015, 02:32:04 PM
I've got a few more questions that I hope someone can answer.  The engine rebuild is still coming along, and the shop is recommending running some Royal Purple break-in oil to start and then draining that and replacing it with 10W-30 oil.  I've read on here that some skip the break-in oil and just go straight to the 10W-30.  I hope I am not opening a Pandora's box of arguments, but I'm just curious as to whether there are any concerns with using the break-in oil first.  Thoughts??  I don't really see any harm in using it.

I'll happily take recommendations on what brand of oil you are running in your 50's cars too and whether you are adding the zddp or just using a brand of oil off the shelf.

Oh, and to answer about the brake and accelerator pedals....I have no idea if/when they were changed.  Everything else was original in this car, and I can't see the prior owners having changed out those pedals, but anything is possible when something is 50+ years-old.  I honestly am not sure if that was an option to have those pedals or if it came on some trim models, but I haven't changed them, and the woman I got the car from didn't change them either.

If your rebuilder is recommending break in oil, then go with it to maintain the Warranty he is giving you.  After that you can use either 10W/30 or 10W/40 with ZDDP.  Personally, I have been using 10W/40 for the past 40 years.

As to the brake pedal/accelerator pedal - to my knowledge there was no "trim option" on the 1958's for that.  Those were standard on the Eldorados.
Jon

1958 Cadillac Sedan De Ville
1973 Lincoln Continental Coupe
1981 Corvette
2004 Mustang GT

Blade

Wait .. the style says '58-6237D' so it's not a Coupe DeVille but a Series 62 Coupe or am I wrong? Still a lucky find!

Walter Youshock

"D" is for deluxe.   It is a deville.  The interior and standard power windows are basically what set it apart from the series 62 standard coupe.
CLC #11959 (Life)
1957 Coupe deVille
1991 Brougham

Jon S

It is definitely a Coupe de Ville interior.  Deville had the nicer door panels and supior interior as shown in the pictures.  It's a Coupe de Ville.
Jon

1958 Cadillac Sedan De Ville
1973 Lincoln Continental Coupe
1981 Corvette
2004 Mustang GT

Jon S

I've been wondering since you first posted this car you stated "It “was” running.  It had 87K miles on it, and after sitting for so long, the piston rings were shot, and the manifold was cracked, so off it has gone for an engine re-build.  I say it was running because it started up fine, ran for about 2 days of some slow cruising around the neighborhood, and then it started smoking like chimney."

Do you think if you had changed the oil and added some Marvel Mystery Oil, you might have been able to avoid the rebuild you went through?  My car has approximately the same mileage, has not sat for 20 plus years, but only travels 500 - 1,000 miles/year and burns no oil.  Was just curious.. .
Jon

1958 Cadillac Sedan De Ville
1973 Lincoln Continental Coupe
1981 Corvette
2004 Mustang GT

fishchipper

Jon S:  I'm not sure anything would have helped.  Before I so much as even attempted to start the car, I sent it to my mechanic to make sure it has proper fluids, etc.  We put in oil, checked the gas, etc.  All looked good, but I think that sitting for so long and then getting a little use was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.  Truth be told, it stinks to have to incur the cost of rebuilding it, but in the end, I'm happy knowing that I should have more years of trouble free engine time now. 

We commented on the brake and gas pedals in an earlier post.  Does anyone know if the Deluxe coupe would have had the pedals that are shown in my pictures, or does it really look like they were changed.  Again, nothing other than the AC has ever been added to this car, so I would be very surprised if that wasn't standard, but as I said before, anything is possible with a 55+ year old vehicle.


Update:
I noted in this thread and one in the technical authenticity about my concern with the engine paint, and I am happy to report that the Bill Hirsch paint adhered to the new (now older) paint that was off-color.  As I noted previously, they used the dupli-color cadillac/GM blue engine paint, but it didn't look right.  I ordered cans of the Bill Hirsch paint, and you can really see the difference.  The valve covers were left in the wrong color so you can see the comparison.  There really is no comparison.  The engine should be going back in the car next week.  We're pretty pumped!


PHIL WHYTE CLC 14192

Blade has point - from what I can gather a CDV should be 6237DX. That is definately the case with my 1954 CDV and looking at the membership directory it appears to confirm this also for 58. In theory you could order a standard coupe and specify electric windows etc. I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong, 58's are not my specialty.
Phil

cadparts58

Phil,
Check the picture of the body plate. You will see the X next to the D. It is a Coupe de Ville. It has the Deville interior trim and exterior trim. Hope this helps. Frank
Frank Puma #10721

marty55cdv

  I am a confused by everyone's confusion the body tag is showing 6237DX  the X is a little hard to see but it is there. In my opinion the pedals were probably included on the DX. My 55 is a DX and it has chrome trimmed pedals as well. The car is in amazing condition to say the least !
Marty Smith
  CLC #22760
41 60 Special http://bit.ly/1Wm0GvT
55 CDV http://bit.ly/1G933IY
56 Fleetwood
1958 Extended Deck http://bit.ly/1NPYhGC
1959 Fleetwood  http://bit.ly/1OFsrOE
1960 Series 62 Coupe
1960 Sedan DeVille  4 window Flattop
63 Fleetwood http://bit.ly/1iSz17J
1964 Eldorado http://bit.ly/1Wm17GA  (Living in California now)
1988 EBC http://bit.ly/1iSACKz

Jon S

#38
Neither the Sedan De Ville nor Coupe de Ville came with chrome trimmed pedals in 1958. These had to be changed by the original owner or Dealer. Only on Eldorados.
Jon

1958 Cadillac Sedan De Ville
1973 Lincoln Continental Coupe
1981 Corvette
2004 Mustang GT

Jon S

My purchased new SDV has EDX after the body style snd has non-chrome wrapped brake/accelerator pedals.
Jon

1958 Cadillac Sedan De Ville
1973 Lincoln Continental Coupe
1981 Corvette
2004 Mustang GT