Author Topic: Looking for official replicas of the 1973 Indy 500 pace car (Cadillac Eldorado)  (Read 4247 times)

Rikard Stenberg

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Hi fellow Cadillac enthusiasts!
I am trying to track down the official pace car replicas of the 1973 Indy 500, I own one of the dealer replicas myself.

If you know of any of these cars please let me know, or if you know of such a car that has been scrapped. I have started a small web site containing data on the cars I have found so far:

   www indy500pacecars com

I can be reached via rikard454@spray.se

Thanks in advance!
/Rikard Stenberg, Luleň Sweden

Rikard,
I know that there is at least one of those Eldorados in the club, but I don't remember who it belongs to.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2008, 07:47:37 PM by Rusty Shepherd CLC 6397 »

Offline Jeff Hansen

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Rikard,

Contact CLC member Tim Pawl of West Bloomfield, MI.  Tim knows a great deal about these cars.

HTH,
Jeff
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Offline TJ Hopland

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Keep an eye on ebay.  I often look at 73's because I own one.  Seems like I have seen at least 3 or 4 for sale in the last couple of years.  Mine is the pace car colors but I have never seen any reason to think its one of the replicas.
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75 Eldo rusty but trusty
80 Eldo Diesel
And other assorted stuff I keep buying for some reason

Tim Pawl CLC#4383

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Rikard,
 I have been tracking these cars since 1988. I currently know the whereabouts of 14 of the 53 numbered track cars and 52 of the 513 dealer replicas ( Hence 66 of the 566 cars).   If you have your CLC Class 24A Authenticity manual ,where all of the VIN numbers of all the cars are listed, each of the known cars is identified with a $ (dollar sign) next to the VIN number.  I have phone numbers and names for the cars I have tracked but I have not received permission from all owners to publish their names particularly on a website.  Not everyone wants their addresses published or known.  Suffice it to say I can provide all VIN numbers of known survivors, and several that ended up in junkyards.

Tim Pawl

Jim Skelly, CLC #15958

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Rikard,
You might also be interested in looking for the following items: magazine ads for the car, postcard, and numbered leather keychain.

Offline TJ Hopland

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There were 'regular' cars that were white with the white tops and the red interiors right?
StPaul/Mpls, MN USA

73 Eldo convert w/aftermarket EFI
75 Eldo rusty but trusty
80 Eldo Diesel
And other assorted stuff I keep buying for some reason

Rikard Stenberg

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Yes, I have seen quite a lot of white Eldo's with red interior that are not listed as pace car replicas.
Cheers!
/Rikard

Rikard Stenberg

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It seems that I need to continue to look out for these pace car replicas on eBay, traderonline.com, craigslist, etc. But if anyone reads this and knows of such a car, alive and well or that has been scrapped do let me know.

Me and Tim maybe can "swap cars" with each others from now on :-)

Cheers!
/Rikard  ( www  indy500pacecars  com )


Keep an eye on ebay.  I often look at 73's because I own one.  Seems like I have seen at least 3 or 4 for sale in the last couple of years.  Mine is the pace car colors but I have never seen any reason to think its one of the replicas.

Offline David Smith

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There was a 73 Eldorado in Enfield, Connecticut USA that had the Indy decal on the front fenders, but nowhere else on the car.     Did the dealers sell the decals? 

What constitutes it as a replica?   The full package and dashboard plaque?
Do people get more out of life because they own a Cadillac?

Or do people own a Cadillac because they get more out of life?

(1972 ad copy)

Tim Pawl CLC#4383

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There was a 73 Eldorado in Enfield, Connecticut USA that had the Indy decal on the front fenders, but nowhere else on the car.     Did the dealers sell the decals? 

What constitutes it as a replica?   The full package and dashboard plaque?
[/quote  To David. There were 53 Cars used at the track, each of these were individually numbered, there were 513 "replicas" sold through the dealerships, that were not numbered.  The VIN for all 566 is known and published in the CLC CLass 24A Authenticity Manual.  There were quite a number of white with red interior non-pace car Eldorados manufactured in 1973 ( It was the number one color combination), and at least four imposters of pace cars have surfaced. If you are looking at one of these cars you may want to get the list of VIN numbers to verify an original car.   Note that the build dates for the Pace Cars and replicas was 02B to 05D (as shown on the body data plate) any car built outside these build dates (with the exception of two development cars built in January) is an imposter.   Regarding the car with only the wings decal on front fenders....the cars were shipped with the door decals in the trunk, it was the purchasers option to have them installed by the dealer.   Tim Pawl]

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Was the dashboard plaque optional? or was that done at the factory?
StPaul/Mpls, MN USA

73 Eldo convert w/aftermarket EFI
75 Eldo rusty but trusty
80 Eldo Diesel
And other assorted stuff I keep buying for some reason

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To David. There were 53 Cars used at the track, each of these were individually numbered, there were 513 "replicas" sold through the dealerships, that were not numbered.  The VIN for all 566 is known and published in the CLC CLass 24A Authenticity Manual.  There were quite a number of white with red interior non-pace car Eldorados manufactured in 1973 ( It was the number one color combination), and at least four imposters of pace cars have surfaced. If you are looking at one of these cars you may want to get the list of VIN numbers to verify an original car.   Note that the build dates for the Pace Cars and replicas was 02B to 05D (as shown on the body data plate) any car built outside these build dates (with the exception of two development cars built in January) is an imposter.   Regarding the car with only the wings decal on front fenders....the cars were shipped with the door decals in the trunk, it was the purchasers option to have them installed by the dealer.   Tim Pawl]

Thanks Tim,

    So it very well could have been a replica then.   I did a drive-by to see the car back in the late 1980s and the decals looked real to me.   Unfortunately the car looked rough.     I wish I had gone up and seen the dash plaque.   The girl offering it said it was her Grandmothers from new.    I haven't seen the car in years.   It may have rotted in the driveway.     
Do people get more out of life because they own a Cadillac?

Or do people own a Cadillac because they get more out of life?

(1972 ad copy)

Rikard Stenberg

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All dealer replicas had the dash plaque, but that was sold as a spare part as well for a while...
Cheers!
/Rikard


Was the dashboard plaque optional? or was that done at the factory?

Offline rsprokes

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I own car #18 of the 53 track cars.  It is located in Indianapolis.

Scott Prokes
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Offline Eric S. Maypother #15104

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Hi All,
Just wondering, if some people bought a replica pace car brand new and choose NOT to put the decals on why not just buy a white eldo with red int? I imaging the pace cars cost more than the regular Eldo and from what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong but just the 2 actual pace cars were modified ie: motor, bumpers. Other than the decals and dash plaques what was different? If I was going to pay the price new of a pace car that was limited to 1 per dealer I'd want it on the side of the car.
Eric :)
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Tim Pawl CLC#4383

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Eric,
   According to the window sticker the Pace Car Decor Option code SRX-20 was a $220 option. It also included the special "segmented arc" partial whitewall with raised white letter tires , either "Goodyear Steelgard" or "Firestone Steel 500 Radial". I obtained a partial set of the side decals from a dealer who actually had a car on display with the decals on one side and not on the other so a potential customer could decide which way he wanted to the car decked out.  You are correct about the two high speed cars they were illegal for sale due to removal of the emission equipment and weight reduction of the "enersorber" bumpers being ligtened.  There were twelve cars that were celebrity escort cars that had different safety and related equipment for the Festival Directors etc. that were saleable.  White with red interior and white convertible top was the number one color combination produced in 1973 ( I will get you the exact number if you want) whether it was a pace car trim or not is determined by the option code SRX-20.

Tim Pawl

Terry Anderson

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Hi everyone

Just checking the boards and saw the pace car discussion.  I do happen to own car #21.  We have had it for about 12 years now and keep it ready to go. The last time we had it out was for one of our boys wedding and I was able to accept a speeding ticket from one of our county law enforcement personel--sure is hard to slow that thing down when its all down hill to the speed trap--but I must have needed a reminder to follow the speed limits--oh well--I have emailed Tim Pawl a couple of years ago about this car--I believe Tim has car #22--I need to purchase an authenticity manal--been meaning too just have not taken the time to do so.  I did contact someone at Cadillac and they did verify the car as an official pace car and I believe it was used at the track--I would like to hear from others concerning the pace cars--thanks for your time

Terry Anderson
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jim jordan

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There is a pace car here in Oklahoma City.  As far back as I can remember it sat on a vacant lot near the airport.  It wound up in a a salvage yard about 5 years ago.  The salvage yard was liquidated to make room for Interstate construction.  The car is now sitting behind a trim shop.  It was last on the road in 1978!  I will try to get the numbers off of it for the registry.

Jim Jordan

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When I was trying to decide about buying my 1973 Eldo in pace car colors, I looked at an actual pace car in Plainfield, IN that had the flags in the trunk, holes in the bumpers, etc. But, it wasn't as nice as the one I purchased, so I let it go. Sorry, I don't know the # of the car. This was about fifteen years ago.
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