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Offline Lucas Feininger #15674

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1965 Fleetwood Brougham Advice Sought
« on: July 18, 2012, 08:54:49 AM »
Hello

I am tempted by a 1965 Fleetwood Brougham, "loaded", damask interior, that I found on line. I have always liked the '65s and a Brougham in my opinion is one of the ultimate Cadillacs to collect. I was hoping that '65 owners and/or Fleetwood Brougham owners might be able to give me some advice as to the pluses and minuses of these cars, what to look for, what can be problematic, strengths and weaknesses, etc.

Thank you in advance,

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Offline ericdev

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Re: 1965 Fleetwood Brougham Advice Sought
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2012, 10:52:55 AM »
They're very nice cars but being a Fleetwood Brougham, the car came with a raft of standard accessories that can dramatically increase reconditioning costs, should repairs be necessary. One of the most common problem areas are the front and rear power vent windows- whose gears are easily inclined to strip. Replacements are available but that's in addition to the regular side windows for a total of eight. The other biggie is the air conditioning system. 1965 is the second year for the Automatic Climate Control system and although improved somewhat over the 1964 version, can still pose a challenge sorting out if problems are present. (Other members better versed on CC systems may have more to add) Fleetwood door panels had walnut veneer inserts which often need refinishing. Finding replacement parts for these as well as all other Fleetwood-specific trim is much more difficult being lower production cars.

This is only scratching the surface.

In short, this is not a car you should be considering if in need of any type of major restoration work. The cost of doing so will exceed the final value by a factor in the multiples. $4,500 sounds fairly cheap but in all honesty it's likely to need a lot of work which is why it's priced at $4,500. It would be extremely helpful if you could post some photos and I'll be able to render a better analysis. The very best advice would be to suggest that you search for the very best & finest example to begin with. Even then, you're likely to spend a minimum of $3,000-4,000 just in basic mechanical freshening and other assorted odds and ends- and that does not include restoration work. I would far rather buy the "right" 65/66 Fleetwood for $15K than the wrong one for $1,000. Believe me, it will be far cheaper in the long run and the car will be far better than the $1,000 car can ever hope to be.

Just one man's opinion. 
« Last Edit: July 18, 2012, 12:17:02 PM by ericdev »
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Offline David Smith

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Re: 1965 Fleetwood Brougham Advice Sought
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2012, 11:11:21 AM »
Check out the vinyl top real good.   If it is lumpy anywhere (especially the bottom near the corners) expect to find rust and holes that will require a bodyshop visit to fix before you can put a new top on.   
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Re: 1965 Fleetwood Brougham Advice Sought
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2012, 03:19:52 PM »
It is very helpful to know where the car resided for most of it's life. Cadillacs from the Northeast, Upper Midwest, and Coastal Areas often suffer from very expensive rust issues. As posted earlier, pictures are worth a thousand words when trying to assign a value to the car. Buy the most car you can with the least amount of restoration because restoration costs can make your new purchase a money pit very quickly. Good Luck - Greg
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Re: 1965 Fleetwood Brougham Advice Sought
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2012, 04:13:35 PM »
Knowing where the car came from is all very well but in my experience there are no hard and fast rules- particularly where old cars are concerned- all depending on what the owner(s) did/didn't do. And while southern cars do generally have better exterior metal, their interiors are often more sun damaged than those from the north. 

Again, excellent examples of 65/66 Fleetwoods can usually be had for well under $15K making restoring one of these babies unthinkable. And it'll be no fun trying to unload a mistake, once made. The key therefore is to find the healthiest, most preserved & preferably original example you can find. It'll be far the most rewarding on every front and standpoint.
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Re: 1965 Fleetwood Brougham Advice Sought
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2012, 05:36:22 PM »
Bottom line here someone needs to look at the car closely!

Offline Lucas Feininger #15674

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Re: 1965 Fleetwood Brougham Advice Sought
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2012, 01:25:08 PM »
Thanks to all who replied. The input is very helpful. I will try to examine the car when I have some free time (car is about 2.5 hours from where I live).
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Re: 1965 Fleetwood Brougham Advice Sought
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2012, 07:13:28 PM »
These are great cars, strong drivelines and generally good quality components.  Here's what happens on the padded top Broughams; water gets through the vinyl and saturates padding beneath.  The water trys to work its way out the bottom of the roof and gets trapped by the "halo moulding" and sits there and the metal rusts out.  Soon as it works its way through it rusts out the rear quarters and the corners of the trunk.  Same thing happens around the rear window channel.  The clips holding the moulding rust out and then spread to the window channel.     Problem is it happens on MOST of these, east, west coast, anywhere.  Al at Arizona Vintage Cadillac will tell you a rust free is 1 in a 100.   Tom CLC6866
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