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Offline dulcidog

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Allante collectibility??
« on: November 26, 2012, 08:18:41 PM »
Wanted to get some thoughts,These seem to be bottoming out anyone like them? Will they be worth anything? Just looking for opinions
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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2012, 08:35:47 AM »

 No doubt they will. They posess all the attributes that make any car a collectible.

 Mike
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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2012, 09:49:09 AM »
Owning a '92, needless to say, I like 'em!

Collectible?  Yes, most definitely.  However, just as definite, not in my lifetime (I am age 65)!

When one looks at what they sell for today, compared to original purchase price, one wants to cry!
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Offline TJ Hopland

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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2012, 11:59:47 AM »
I have sort of looked at them too.   I have seen what appeared to be very nice clean examples for sale not much over typical clean used car prices.   If you have the space and money now may be a good time to buy. 
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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2012, 12:21:24 PM »
I think they have just about bottomed out in price.  Owning a 93, they are fun cars and still have a great style to them.  As always, look for the best untampered with examples.
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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2012, 02:19:04 PM »
Wanted to get some thoughts,These seem to be bottoming out anyone like them? Will they be worth anything? Just looking for opinions
Thanks-Bill L

Have Allantes bottomed out in value? Possibly.

Will they be worth anything? Well, they're worth something right now. If you're asking whether the Allante with ever develop a strong enough following resulting in significant appreciation over the next couple of decades, that's another story. Personally, I don't see this happening in that time frame.

Bottom line is this: By all means buy yourself an Allante if you feel it's worth it to you because you are going to like and enjoy the car, which is all that matters in the final analysis. In making your selection, I'd strongly recommend you limit your search to the 1992 model and also that you buy the finest, low mileage, pristine example you can find. There are still many Allantes around in relatively good condition but only those in top-tier condition stand the best chance of future appreciation- if and when the day comes.   
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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2012, 02:30:53 PM »

 Allantes were never really regarded and an inexpensive car to operate. Even when new. And as such I agree with the '92 models. While the '93's with the Northstar engine are veritable hot rods, I am not convinced these early examples of the Northstar are good to own if you plan on driving the car regularly. They are a nightmare to repair, and they have certain tendencies like high oil consumption ( which was an issue for a long time), and oil leaks.

 The 4.5 was a good solid dependible engine and relatively easy to work on, plus they had the lovely intake system I can stare at for hours.

 I do have a couple of friends with Allantes and they love their cars, and really have had very little trouble with them, one uses his daily.

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Offline TJ Hopland

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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2012, 06:21:20 PM »
Wasn't there an engine that it never got?   Was it skipped the 4.9?   It held the 4.5 till it got the Northstar?   They just never bothered to make a special version of the 4.9 because the Northstar was in the works?    Those cars had a special intake and multiport even back in the 4100 days didnt they?

What was the deal with the brakes?   Wasnt there something extra strange about the earlier ones?
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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2012, 06:34:19 PM »
Allante Engines.

1987-1988    HT 4100

1989-1992     4.5 Liter

1993              4.6 Liter DOHC (Northstar)
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Offline TJ Hopland

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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2012, 06:37:57 PM »
The rest of the cars got the 4.9 in 91?
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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2012, 06:43:06 PM »
If the 1988 DeVilles had the 4.5, why would the Allante's have still got the 4100?

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2012, 06:46:32 PM »
If the 1988 DeVilles had the 4.5, why would the Allante's have still got the 4100?

Bruce. >:D

Because they're idiots.  :o

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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2012, 07:25:26 PM »
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1989 Allante road test.

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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2012, 07:44:48 PM »
I understand the thinking on the 92, but the Bosch brake system's potential for failure is a big  negative for me.  The 93's have a lot more horsepower, more comfortable seats, totally different suspension, and standard Eldorado brake, suspension, and radio components.

I have owned a 91, 1 92, and a super low mileage 93 and the 93 was by far the best one I had.  It's all subjective and opinion, but a low mileage 93 is the best bet and if you are thinking about potential to appreciate in value, the 93 has it.

That being said, the leading Allante experts, Tom, Dick, and Johnny all seem to favor the phase II cars (90.5, 91, and 92) for their personal rides, and they are the experts.

Right now, values are down, and there are a LOT of Allante's getting parted out which will make the survivors all worth a lot of money someday.  After all, it's a Cadillac, it's got an Italian built body, it's a two seater, and a convertible.

Name ANY car that is a two seater convertible, especially built by a high end carmaker that isn't worth money...

Corvette's, early T-Birds, Nash Healy, Kaiser Darrin, stuff like that.  Once shunned and low priced, now extremely valuable.

Allante's, long-term, are smart investments, in my opinion.

Brian
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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2012, 08:20:11 PM »
I suspect that Brian is right on this issue.  I have long thought these were beautiful cars.  After I purchased my 59, the Allante moved to the top of my "wish list".   I have purchased several cars since then, and, in spite of coming close, I never could seem to pull the trigger on the purchase of an Allante.  I did a lot of  reading and research, and for me, their reputations for poor reliability (whether right or not) and difficulty in obtaining certain parts always seemed to stop me from making a purchase.

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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2012, 09:09:13 PM »
I neglected to mention that I no longer own an Allante, except for two 87's I am parting out.

I bought a 12,000 mile 93 a few years ago from someone on the board and I loved the car.  I flew out to Columbus Ohio and drove it back.  It was Pearl Red, Tan interior, chrome wheels, and purchased new by a Cadillac collector/enthusiast.

I never thought I would sell it, but when the 60 Convertible that I now own became available due to the death of a fellow Valley Forge region member, I was able to buy the car, but the Allante had to go because I needed the funds.

I sold the car 3 years ago for $18,000 and held it in my garage for a couple of months until the buyer in Northern California could line up transport.  It was top money for a mint 93 in a desirable color with a very hard to find hardtop (93 only).  I had no problem selling the car because it was so nice, so if you are thinking about buying an Allante, they are nice in any year or color, but buy the best one you can find so you don't have to dump tons of money into it.

Brian

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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2012, 10:54:36 PM »
I owned a 1987 back in the early nineties. It was a lovely car except if you actually tried to use it.

In that case, it was an execrable piece of crap with barely enough reliability to make it to the next stoplight.

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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2012, 01:48:59 AM »
To each his own; I don't like Allants. In my opinion, the stupid roof mechanism killed the car. Not all Cadillacs are collectible; I doubt that the Allante will be much appreciate in 20 or 30 years. It was a commercial flop; this fact has an impact about collectibility.
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2012, 05:52:24 AM »
As a 1993 owner I have to agree with Brian, if you want to play with an Allante for a while and then shift it to a new owner the 93 has the widest buyer audience.  It's also the typical GM best of breed in its last year of production.  The 1992 lower production formula for collectivety puzzles me, the brake system is a big worry and I'm not sure people are lining up to buy 1942 model Cadillacs because of thier low production numbers.
By the way the Top mechanisim is a real loser.  It does keep my wife and kids out of the car though as they would never think of attempting to tackle it's stupid design.   Tom CLC#6866
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Re: Allante collectibility??
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2012, 08:09:11 AM »
They came up with something more unique than the scissors top?
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