Trace my 58 Coupe
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Back in April 2016 I bought a lovely 58 Coupe from the USA, I transferred the money for the car. The guy was a restoration guy and seemed very helpful so I asked if he could check the car out and do any repairs needed and I would pay for the work. The motor he said needed a rebuild, I said ok so he took it to another repair shop. This was completed but the repair shop caught fire and my 58 plus others I was told were all totalled. My money was not refunded after numerous excuses as the repair shop was not insured. I now find out from DMV that my car has not been totalled and is owned by someone else. I live in the UK so I am asking for help from anyone who may have this car now. The Vin number is : 586022669 and the car is a 2 door Cadillac coupe which is stock and has manual windows. It was blue with a darker blue roof when I bought it. Can anyone help or give me some ideas who to contact for help? Thanks
Andy
You're going to have to contact the police which is local to where the problems began. Only law enforcement can track vehicle ownership by VIN.
Sorry to hear of this and best of luck.
Andy,
Do you have documentation to show you bought the car?? Copy of the title, Bill of sale etc. The cops will want to see them. Then you'll have to declare the car stolen & let them pursue it.
You'll also have to show them exactly where the frame # is.
Good Luck, Bob
Eric
Thanks for your information, yes it's bad business. Have imported a few cars from the USA and never had problems like this, being so far away does not help at all.
Andy
Bob,
Thanks for your information. This was the first car I had bought from the USA, I kept asking for a bill of sale and never received one, I have a copy of the title which was emailed to me but that's it. I guess I will have to track down the local police dept where the guy lived which is Vegas. Do you think they would be interested in helping me as I live in the UK Bob?
Andy
Andy, I live in the UK as well. From what I understand the police in the USA will act on fraud like this. A friend of mine had a similar experience to you with a vintage airstream. The local US police (I don't know which state) found the airstream and impounded it on my friend's behalf. As well as the copy of the title you must have the record of the money transfer? Maybe someone on here in the Las Vegas region can help? Phil
Hi Phil,
That's very good to know that someone has had success in a similar situation, did he get the Airstream or a refund maybe? Gives me a glimmer of hope now, thanks Phil.
Andy
He got the airstream. I will contact him later and try and get some details from him about how he went about it. From what I have heard the police in the USA (rightfully) act on things like this, whereas our police would just tell you to go away.
Quote from: PHIL WHYTE CLC 14192 on May 26, 2020, 02:14:55 AM
He got the airstream. I will contact him later and try and get some details from him about how he went about it. From what I have heard the police in the USA (rightfully) act on things like this, whereas our police would just tell you to go away.
Would that be because of the matter of jurisdiction? Since it happened here, not there, they don't really have any authority to do anything about it I would think. It's up to the police in the area where the crime occurred to do something about it, and it's up to you to notify them of your situation.
That's what I would suggest Andy. I know it's a lot of hassle, but if you want your money back, you really don't have any other options that I can see.
I wish you luck with this. Take care and be safe.
Rick
In answer to Rick, sorry it's not to do with jurisdiction. The police in the UK will not act in situations like this here in the UK. They will term it a civil, not criminal matter and tell you to take a private court case against the person.
Rick
Thanks for you advice and info, I think Phil has answered your question about the police here in the uk.
Phil
Well that's great news your buddy getting his Airstream. I would appreciate any info your buddy can give me about reclaiming his vehicle. I am in my 70s so could do with my money back but don't want to get a heart attack trying to get it. I will search for a police dept when I have all my info up to date and hopefully more from you so I thank you in advance.
Andy
Andy and Phil,
I didn't realize that you both were in the UK, I guess it didn't sink in when I read Phil's reply. My apologies.
Rick
Rick
No problem. It is good to chat with you and thanks for all your advice. I've been to the states a few times and drove the Route 66 when I was 66 from Chicago to LA. Met some lovely people along the way, very helpful and very polite, in fact we were lost and looking at the map trying to find the 66 as sat nav didn't recognise it, and two guys came along in a late 70s Ford pick up and asked us if we were ok. I got out and said we were from the UK and were looking for the 66 and he said he would take us there. We followed him for around 7 miles and pulled over, I got out and shook hands with them both to thank them. You sure wouldn't find that in the UK. Quite sad to get to Santa Monica as it was the end of a great 3 week trip of a lifetime. Just something else off my bucket list Rick.
Andy
Quote from: Cadman-iac on May 27, 2020, 03:35:57 AM
Andy and Phil,
I didn't realize that you both were in the UK, I guess it didn't sink in when I read Phil's reply. My apologies.
Rick
It is but one more reason to put your LOCATION either in your signature line or on the left under your name.
::)
Andy, I've sent you a PM. Phil
Chris
Strange comment I thought. I don't see how important it is where I live, someone still cheated me out of a 58 Coupe that I paid good money for. Apart from that the biggest majority of guys here do not say where they are from either but hey I have nothing to hide, just an honest English guy with many bucks out of pocket. Thanks for your interest.
Andy
you will need a paper trail from you to the payee copy of title means nothing unless it was in same name you sent funds to
He said in his first post that he transferred the money, there's a "paper"trail plus email correspondence and probably the original advert/auction. Phil
in his post all he indicated was transfer of funds not what if any paperwork existed
as for copy of title the vin in his post is a not hit going back at least 10 years
He said that the car shows on the DMV records with that VIN number. To be honest, why are you bothering to comment? The guy has been ripped off and you seem to be taking great pleasure in telling him to take it on the chin.
Hello Andy
I'm sorry about your 1958 Cadillac loss. I will keep an EYE out for your car.
my response was to help not hurt
do not take pleasure in seeing someone ripped off
if you do not like my posts, skip them
I have a few questions:
1) Who is the seller? A business or individual? Do you have an address? Perhaps someone in Las Vegas
knows him.
2) Did you contact your insurance company? Our auto policies have coverage for "newly acquired
vehicles". What does your auto policy say? This appears to be theft, which is normally covered by
auto policies.
3) Since 4 years have past from when this occurred, what have you done to either get the car or get a
refund?
4) Have you contacted the people who "rebuilt" the engine? What did they say? Did they actually rebuild
the engine? Do they know the seller? Was there really a fire?
5) Have you contacted the Las Vegas Police Department? What did they say?
6) How did you and the seller converse? Via email? Telephone? Are the conversations documented?
It may be more helpful if you tell us what you've done to this point.
You may have to hire a private investigator or attorney to help you, depends how much more money you want to spend. For now, contact the local (to the seller) police department and prove to them that your car was never released to you. You do that by showing money was paid, showing them your proof that you have been asking for the bill of sale, title, etc.. Show them the print out of yours and the seller's conversations and see what they say. They may ask for more information.
7) Did you have someone inspect the car prior to your purchase?
As other's have said, good luck with your situation, but who knows how many times the car has been sold since 2016.
wrefakis,
I have documents to say I transferred the payment to the seller, What I don't have is evidence from the seller that the car was caught on fire and totaled which according to DMV was total bullshit by the seller.
It is a pity you don't have the guts to write your name as the spelling of what you go under looks like fake to me.
Surely this forum is all about enthusiasts helping each other out after all, so how would you feel if you paid $18,000 for something in 2016 you never got and the seller lived 6000 miles away? Mmmm, different story if it happened to you eh?
This car is out there being used so I was appealing for help tracing it. Here is a pic from the advert I bought the car from.
Andy
That's a beautiful car Andy, and I'm sorry for your troubles. I do hope that either you get it or your money back.
Please keep us posted on your progress, as this sort of thing is not something anyone would want to go through.
Keep trying and don't give up. Stay safe.
Rick
Rick
Thank you. Yes the car is a great colour and the 58 is one of my favourites and everyone who sees this picture can understand how I felt when I was told the car was caught in a workshop fire, just devastated. I will keep you posted on the outcome Rick but please don't hold your breath waiting. I won't give up.
Back in 1968 when I was still living with my parents in Bristol, England I was serving an apprenticeship in the motor trade which I started when I was 17 and it lasted for four years. The money was poor but that's how it was then. My 1957 Ford Zodiac I had saved up for was caught in floods the same as our house. The water was half way up the windshield which messed up everything in the car. When the water had gone the house was full of mud and nasty other things which took a long while to clean. I spent a year repairing all the damage to the car caused by the floods, I couldn't afford to take it to the breakers so had to get the car right myself without lots of money to spend. So you see I don't give up Rick.
It's been great chatting to you, keep in touch.
Andy
Hi Chuck
Thank you for your comments and for the offer of help, anything would be appreciated as I am struggling here in the UK to get answers. I googled the LVPD to send them a mail but there isn't an email address where I can write my story. I am not on twitter or facebook and it would not be easy to phone due to the time difference. I would also like "the written words" with correspondence to give me a record to refer to. I will answer Chris's post shortly. Again many thanks for your offer of help.
Andy
Bill Refakis
Perhaps I misunderstood your comments on an earlier post and thanks for explaining you didn't mean any harm.
Should you come across any information regarding my car I would be grateful for any help. Thanks.
Andy
Hi Chris,
Wow quite a few questions to answer there, I don't know why but I didn't really want to mention the seller but perhaps it is time that I did and I will do my very best to answer honestly all your questions so this may be a long post so forgive me.
Bit about me. I live in the south west of England and am in my early 70s, I am a pensioner and work part time to fund my American car habit. I bought the 58 Coupe advertised on ebay usa in march 2016 and sent a bank transfer in my bank to the seller on 6th April 2016. Ok, answers to questions on your post.
1. The seller is Nicholas Caparelli but goes under the name of Nicki Bratz, his address was 8255 S. Las Vegas Blvd, Las Vegas, Nevada 89123. Phone: (702) 517-9780. I think he has moved to the east coast though now. He has a business called "Rocket Carz" that you can see in the background of the photo. I asked if he would carry out work on the car (replace rubbers, check the car over including the trans and motor which he agreed to do)and I would pay him for the work, there is a decal missing on the trunk which I asked him to fit. He said he would do this in his spare time if I wasn't in a hurry and he wouldn't charge me for the work. I said I wasn't happy not paying for the work.
2. I live in the UK so obviously there is no car insurance.
3. I kept asking for a refund on numerous occasions and he kept giving all sorts of sad stories that sounded very genuine and they were written in such a way that you felt sorry for the guy. He did pay me $5,000 back around 2 years ago but nothing since and he still owes me $13,000.
4. I was told the engine needed overhaul so I agreed to pay for that and have it painted before it was refitted after the job was done. I didn't have any dealings with the engine repair guy, I was told he was in CA and his workshop was on his ranch, there was an electrical fire in this guys workshop ( this is the story I was told) where the seller had 3 cars for repair, my car had been finished, all 3 cars were burned beyond repair. I was told the engine repair guy was not insured and the seller had lost $60,000 worth of cars. I asked for some evidence but was told the engine repair guy had scrapped all the burned cars and they were no longer in the workshop. I asked for evidence of the fire but had nothing. I wrote to the local sheriff in CA and asked if there was a fire locally to them on this guys ranch and asked if they could email me but I never had a reply.
5. I have recently contacted LVPD through LinkedIn as I couldn't find an email for them, as I said before I like to have proof of the written words. As of today I haven't heard from them at all.
6. We always conversed by email which he hasn't replied to since January this year, until then his mails kept saying he is working on sending me $$ over. He said he had to file for bankruptcy in November last year 2019. I even offered to accept another car that was good enough to sell back here to save the guy some money as the thoughtful person I am. I kept asking for a copy of the bill of sale but never got one and this has to be with the car as well as the title document when the car is shipped to the UK. I do have evidence that I sent a bank transfer to his account for $18,000 on April 6th 2016. But I now feel a sucker for falling for it all.
7. I didn't have an inspection done as work was being carried out on the car and I have several pictures of the car which looked great.
Chris, I hope this answers your questions as I have been as honest as I can by telling you the truth. A couple of friends here in the UK have checked out his facebook page so please check it out yourself and see if you think he has gone bankrupt. Here is a picture of my car that someone found on his facebook page from November 2016 when it was supposed to be taken to have the engine rebuilt.
Thank you for spending the time to read my long post.
Andy
This may tell you if the car is out there. Not all states in US required a title on an older car though.
https://www.vinaudit.com/
It will only state which state, no names of owners.
But even if it does , it means the car exists does not mean this guy owned it or could sell it. You might have to report it stolen, so someone can investigate this.
From your story this guy sounds like a criminal, sorry to say it. Too many convenient reasons why the car is gone.
Quote from: Andy Green on May 30, 2020, 04:27:54 PM
5. I have recently contacted LVPD through LinkedIn as I couldn't find an email for them, as I said before I like to have proof of the written words. As of today I haven't heard from them at all.
Here is the link I found by using GOOGLE for the Las Vegas P.D. You can likely call them 24 hours a day or if not, you may have to stay up late or get up early. You can also file a report online through their website. Read all the info below.
https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/RecordsFingerprintBureau/Pages/FilingAReport.aspx
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Quote from: Andy Green on May 30, 2020, 04:27:54 PM
I bought the 58 Coupe advertised on ebay usa in march 2016 and sent a bank transfer in my bank to the seller on 6th April 2016.
Did you complete the sale through eBay? If so, don't they have a guarantee or something for the sale of the car? Did you contact eBay?
eBay Money Back Guarantee means you're protected if the item you ordered didn't arrive, is faulty or damaged, or doesn't match the listing. You'll get your money back. For all the details of how the eBay Money Back Guarantee works, please see our full policy guidelines belo
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/ebay-money-back-guarantee-policy/ebay-money-back-guarantee-policy?id=4210
Completing a sale outside of eBay brings risks that you take on alone...
As I'm not in the buyer or seller market, I don't know well at which price a '58 coupe is usually exchanging hands. It seems to me, that $ 18'000.00 for a car looking so well (at least on the picture) was maybe a fraud.
Andy: next to your email exchange with the seller, did you phone him from time to time? Another hint for something wrong: he offered you some work for free. I doubt that a honest car dealer would do that.
Not all deals with the US are ending in a fiasco: when I saw the ad for the '72 coupe I finally bought, the first thing I did was to call the seller, even if I hate to speak English over the phone (my native language is French). Fortunately, the seller, about our age, was speaking very well and was understandable, he told me about some flaws the car had (and still has), creating some good confidence.
I wish you good luck to get the $ 13'000.00 back.
Chris,
I can't thank you enough for all the information and links you have given me, that is such a help and I will read your message again and look at the route I need to go on. If I get any problems contacting the LVPD could I come back for advice? First of all I need to gather as much info my end to back up my situation.
Sounds like you may have been in law enforcement so thanks again for it all.
I will also look into ebay and see what I can find there too, I didn't think of that. I didn't think I would ever have to do this as I expected either to have the car or a refund. I expect everyone to be the same as me but this guy is very clever with his mails and leads you to believe he is a genuine person going through tough times.
Andy
Roger, bonjour,
The price of the 58 was fairly good at the time 4 years ago but now they have really gone up in price. Going back to 2016 I went on his "Rocket Carz" site and there was several pictures of my car, one I have just posted yesterday and there were a couple of him with the car too so I feel he did own the car. I feel he just sold it to someone else for a higher price after I had paid for it. If you look on facebook under Nicki Bratz as my friend over here did then you will see this guy hasn't gone bankrupt as he had told me.
I have bought two other cars from the US since which have arrived safely and I have friends here that have had good success doing the same with no issues. I have been to the US on holiday a few times since 1990 and have had contact with many lovely American people but as in all countries there are always those who con others. Thanks for your post.
Au revoir mon ami
Andy
Eric,
Thanks for your last mail, mine is done, please check.
Andy
Andy, thanks for your answer! I cannot add much to my previous comment. I'm afraid that after 4 years, you have to lick your wounds. Maybe, after all, if you can contact some police dpt, you will get something more back, but I doubt. I know, it does not sound very positive, but, as you noted, the possibility to move things is very limited with a 6000 miles distance.
George,
Thanks for your advice, I did click on the link but the Vin was not recognised. The site we went on is: www.nicb.org>vincheck. Here it checks Theft record and Total Loss record, in both cases Vin: 586022669 has not been identified as being stolen or salvaged.
I will pursue other avenues to try for a result.
Andy
Quote from: Andy Green on May 31, 2020, 05:25:15 AM
George,
Vin: 586022669 has not been identified as being stolen or salvaged.
Andy, this is not a VIN for 1958. Your VIN should be 58G.... for a Coupe Serie 62, or 58J... for a Coupe de Ville. Maybe the number "6" you wrote is effectively a "G".
That's correct - third place is "G" not 6. G = Series 62 Coupe.
I believe you will find that the link "Chrisntam" posted does not apply to vehicles. They have a similar but different policy for vehicles --- they offer little or no protection for vehicles past a certain age and under certain conditions. The link below only covers part of what their policy is.
https://pages.motors.ebay.com/buy/security/index.html Then click on *Restrictions apply. See terms and conditions.
It is important that you contact eBay and it should have done it early on!! Give them the particulars of your failed transaction. I am afraid, however, that since this transaction took place 4 years ago that they will offer little help. They may be able to give you some particulars on the seller or contact him for you. Wouldn't surprise me though if he was no longer an eBay seller, or if he is that he is operating under a different name and they can't trace it back. There are plenty of scammers working eBay all the time.
Thanks guys, that may make a big difference then, the title I had emailed is a little difficult to read on that 3rd digit, every other digit is clear. Well spotted, I will do a check on the revised Title and see what comes back and I will let you know.
Andy
Roger & Eric,
Just done a search and got the same result on the Vin Check, it is not been identified as being stolen or listed on the Salvage check. Back to square one.
Andy
G. Newcombe
Thank you for your info and link for ebay, I will check this out and let you know the outcome.
Andy
Not familiar with "VIN Check" but the vehicle history services that I'm aware of can only recognize VINs that are the 17 digit length that became industry standard in 1981.
Eric,
That is correct.
Bob
Quote from: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on May 31, 2020, 11:31:10 AM
Not familiar with "VIN Check" but the vehicle history services that I'm aware of can only recognize VINs that are the 17 digit length that became industry standard in 1981.
Both of my 1959s appear on VIN audit, so it will appear. But keep in mind many states do not required a title on older cars. So there has to be title somewhere for it to appear if no title it will not turn up. So not an all inclusive check.
I suggested VIN audit just by chance if someone else actually owned the car and had a title. The state of NH now uses this since I can get an antique title for a car without one. But if they find it on VIN audit when I apply for an antique title, they will stop me from registering the car again unless I clear it up.
Did you pay the fee and use https://www.vinaudit.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjqbXi-ve6QIVSr3ACh2-2gN6EAAYASAAEgKarfD_BwE
But whenever I get a car without a title I check VIN audit. If it does not show up I can get an antique title for it to ease selling it later.
By curiosity, I let run the VIN from my '72 de Ville for which I have a title. I got no result.
George,
Thanks for your info, I have clicked on the link you sent me, there is nowhere I can find where it says to pay a fee. The Vin check is free, I have run it again without success as it is not recognised. The example they show has a 17 digit vin which it seems from a guy on this forum that 17 digit vin numbers came it 1981. My 58 coupe only has 9 digits so I assume that is why it isn't recognised.
I have sent them a message giving details, car model and reason why I want the vin checked and asked if they can help or tell me where I can find out so we will see if they come back.
The one I checked a few days ago was NICB National Insurance Crime Bureau) their HQ is at 1111 E. Touchy Ave. Ste 400 Des Plaines, IL60018
Andy
Just to follow up George, I have just heard back from the Vin Audit company and they tell me this:
We do support non 17 digit VINs but records may be limited. We can only provide a report for these VINs if the car has been retitled from the time NMVTIS was established-- early 1990s.
The report should include 1990s to current title records, odometer reading, junk and salvage reported records and checks problems related to title brands. Upon further checking, it appears that we do not have the vehicle records of this vehicle.
Just keeping you up to date.
Andy
Quote from: Andy Green on June 01, 2020, 04:16:55 AM
Andy
Just to follow up George, I have just heard back from the Vin Audit company and they tell me this:
We do support non 17 digit VINs but records may be limited. We can only provide a report for these VINs if the car has been retitled from the time NMVTIS was established-- early 1990s.
The report should include 1990s to current title records, odometer reading, junk and salvage reported records and checks problems related to title brands. Upon further checking, it appears that we do not have the vehicle records of this vehicle.
Just keeping you up to date.
Andy
That's correct so if someone re-titled it recently it could appear. My 1959 Olds shows a 1969 title. My 1964 Olds showed the original 1964 title, but those were both from PA. The 1959 Cadillac had a more current title from a NY registration in 2014.
So it is hit or miss on older cars. But my thought was it might show for you. Just maybe then you have a lead. But it looks like a dead end there.
I check this first on a old car I may buy if the seller states he does not have a title. If no trace on VIN audit I can get a new NH antique title which helps with selling it in states where a title is needed.
How about calling the POLICE and letting them know that you were a victim of FRAUD or THEFT?
Why are you fooling around with this VIN search?
I guess I don't understand your logic, other than it's been 4 years so there's no hurry...
Chris,
The Police is the next step, the vin check would have given me some sort of proof whether the car existed or it had been scrapped. I could then tell the police that I was told the car had been burned up when it maybe still being used by someone else. (I also wanted to know for my own personal information too) So trying to get the most information to support my case, can you see the reason now Chris.
It is far easier for you to follow these things up as you live in the US but for me living a long way from the US and having different rules in the US than we have, it is not as easy as you think it is I'm afraid.
In the meantime I will gather as much information and documentation as I can in preparation to contacting the police. I hope that clarifies my reasoning, whether you may agree with me or not and as frustrating as it is I will get a result.
Thanks
Andy
Quote from: chrisntam on June 01, 2020, 11:09:51 PM
How about calling the POLICE and letting them know that you were a victim of FRAUD or THEFT?
Why are you fooling around with this VIN search?
I guess I don't understand your logic, other than it's been 4 years so there's no hurry...
You could fool with the VIN search to give the police a lead where to start maybe? ::)
You could fool with the VIN search to give the police a lead where to start maybe? ::)
You think the police just do an internet search when there is a crime reported? ::)
I would suggest the police have access to tools the general public does not. ::)
Who knows if the VIN is even real?
Should they believe a crime occurred, I’m pretty sure they’ll interview the “seller “ which would likely be the key to this investigation.
I guess you’re right. When I buy a car, I pay and the seller neglects to release the car and title, I’ll wait 4 years, get on a car forum, ask for advice and then search for my car on the internet with VIN websites. ::)
I’m out on this thread, mostly due to the inactivity / slow movement (I’m being kind with my choice of words) of the op. I wish I could say what I really think, which is probably what 99% of others here are thinking.
I’ll leave with one last comment. We’re either being trolled or the op received a $13,000.00 life lesson.
I dropped out of this forum for a few years because of the poison some people post on here. I thought maybe it had changed, but I see the nastiness is still here.
G'day Phil,
When you encounter unsavory content, the best thing is to hit the Report to Moderator button, and it can be attended to immediately, if not sooner.
We are trying our best to make this Message Board a friendly one.
Bruce. >:D
Thanks Bruce, I don't get why people are like that on this forum.
Chris
I have just found your very insulting post, this is totally uncalled for as I am the honest one and who knows you may be a friend of the person who has cheated me and are trying to protect the seller. Perhaps you haven't taken the medication for the day, who knows, but this malicious bad mouth accusations shows your true colours so perhaps you should give all of us a rest and bow out of this forum.
We are here to help each other in various ways either for a technical query or help that I have asked for on this topic. A while ago I answered all your questions with all the details you asked for so it is a puzzle to me why you are so angry and insulting, takes all sorts I guess, don't bother coming back as your words are worthless, thanks.
Andy
Andy, I understand that you are angry about the comments from Chris. He is in one point right: why did you wait 4 years to ask for help? I'm not 100% sure, but I don't believe he is a friend of the seller and want to protect him.
If we are forgetting the too long delay, if I were at your place I would have difficulties to find the telephone number from the competent police office in Vegas. 2 ways are coming in my mind: Google and the US embassy or consulate. Obviously, you have to act now and not tomorrow!
Roger
Thank you for your information, I hadn't thought of that route.
I do understand why guys are wondering why it has taken me 4 years to go this way, but it is me the guy has conned, he is an extremely convincing person that leads you very much into believing his stories. The promises that have been made to me and waiting for results are very frustrating and I admit to feeling a fool like anyone else would feel. It is difficult to understand about the length of time and yes I realise now that I shouldn't have trusted him like I did and should have taken action earlier but sadly I cannot turn the clock back Roger, I wish I could. I have now sent a complaint in to (IC3) so we will see what I get back from that. I will keep you guys posted if I get anywhere and I thank all of you that have tried to help me.
Andy
Just to give you all an update. I have reported this fraudulent transaction to IC3 for them to investigate so perhaps I will get a result.
After the unsavoury post I had on this forum I had an email from Nicki Bratz which is very coincidental, I suspect a certain person must have contacted him from this forum. In his mail he again promises to repay me and to be patient. Well, how patient do I have to be after all this time whilst he has a yard full of various cars, fifties Buicks, Pontiacs and a Nash Metropolitan. He is off to various states having meals in restaurants but he won't pay his debts. He is just full of bul**** sadly. He will pay me one way or another, I will make sure of that. Will keep you all posted, in the meantime do not deal with Rocket Carz as he will cheat you out of your money.
Andy
Put him a deadline, like 10 or 14 days, after that you go further with the route you choose. If he says "be patient", how many years will you have to wait?
Good advice from Roger. Give him a short deadline and stick to it. Also, you want it all in one sum, not partial payment over time. Should the police someday consider laying charges, in some jurisdictions the "extending of credit" is viewed by the judiciary as one having accepted the terms of such a situation. Successful prosecution is therefore not likely given those circumstances, in some jurisdictions. If it were me I would want it all or nothing. Clay/Lexi
Thanks for your advice guys, yes I agree. I didn't reply to his mail and I always have asked for the full amount to be paid to me.
Not a great situation to be in but I won't give up, he thinks he has heard the last of me but he couldn't be further wrong.
Andy
Hi Guys,
Just a quick update, I still have no trace on my car and still no money even after several emails to the seller, he just tells me to be patient, don't know why he bothers replying if that is all he has to say. I filed a complaint to the "Federal Bureau of Investigation- internet Crime Complaint Centre (IC3) many months ago and have not had any contact from them at all so it appears that was a waste of time and energy, I have no faith in the system as it appears no one wants to help me.
Andy Green
UK
Hello:
We handle cargo theft claims for insurance claims, including expensive/rare cars.
If you are in Las Vegas you should contact their Las Vegas Police Department's "Vehicle Investigation Project Enforcement" (aka as "VIPER").
There are a LOT of cars stolen from LV and their theft/fraud agency do really good job.
Here is a link to their website.
http://id.dps.nv.gov/Enforcement/AutoTheft/AutoTheft/
Hi Gary,
That's a great piece of news for me, thank you. I live in the UK, paid for the car in 2016 and never got it, you can see from my previous posts. I will check this out tomorrow and will let you know what happens, thanks again.
Andy
I have tried the link you gave me Gary but there is no email contact of any type for this Dept. I need an email address as I have to send documents to whoever will help me either trace the car or retrieve my money from this crook at Rocket Carz, a guy called Nicki Bratz or his correct name is Nicholas Caparelli. As I have said I live in the UK so it isn't easy to get help from anyone in the US. I have written to a PD and never heard from them, I have filed an IC3 report, again never heard from them. It just seems like no one gives a damn that I have been conned out of $18,000.
Thanks for trying to help me though.
Andy
Here you go mate.
Email: PIO@LVMPD.COM
Make sure you give them the police report number and a chronology of what has transpired (names, dates, description of car, emails, phone numbers, photos.....
The only other alternative is for you to hire a local private investigator $$$
That general email address will hopefully be able to put you in contact with a "VIPER" detective.
If this was a "new" case they would be all over it, but with so many years passing they may not be as interested.
Fingers crossed!
Andy:
I took the time to read all of the posts.
There is nothing to indicate that there was a fire at the repair shop, or for that matter it ever went to a bodyshop.
It seems that the suspect may still have your car, if not parted out.
I am very surprised the suspect sent you $5,000 and tells you to be patient.
The suspect is relying on you being an old man that lives in a different country
Last night I called a detective at LV VIPER (I cannot give you her cell number at this time) and she inferred that there is nothing her agency can do until YOU get the ball rolling.
You MUST start by filing a standard police report, which would then be reviewed by a "regular" Metro detective, before hopefully kicked up the ladder to the LV VIPER squad.
In the interim, send the suspect an email (not FaceBook) that says they have one (1) week to return the car or the balance of your funds stating the date, providing the bank wire transfer details.
Let him know that:
1.) A police report has been filed for theft and fraud.
2.) There is no evidence of the car ever being sent to a repair shop.
3.) There is no evidence of any work being performed.
4.) There is no evidence of any fire.
5.) Let him know that a c.c. of your email has been sent to Las Vegas Police Department's "Vehicle Investigation Project Enforcement" (aka as "VIPER"), so he should expect a call of visit from their office very soon.
A lot of people sell cars on suspicious websites, Oodle, FaceBook, Craigslist, etc. so use better judgement next time.
Andy:
Two (2) more things which are VERY suspicious:
A.) The suspect only posts on FaceBook.
B.) The address you provided is a high-rise condo building in downtown Las Vegas, with no apartment number listed.
So no formal website, no car lot, no bodyshop.....
If the police do get involved and he is still in Vegas, they can find him.
Andy,
I'm sorry that this is happening. It's a little confusing to follow the events. I think the problems started when some jerk registered the car with the wrong VIN. Was that a mistake or hiding something? Even if the deal went thru, the guys at customs would have caught it & impounded the car!! I'd like to see a copy of the title that you received. Please send to bobscads@comcast.net if you're OK with that. I'll try & help.
Bob
More thoughts. Let's go back to your very first post. You said you knew where the car was per a DMV & some guy was driving it. Why didn't you pursue that info at the time? What VIN was being used? The 586 or the 58G? What state? That's where you should have started.
Bob
Hi Gary,
Wow, thanks so much for spending the time reading the posts and taking the time to contact your friend in the PD. I will get on with this today and email VIPER. I don't have a lot of confidence in any positive outcome happening but will still carry on with this. I think you are absolutely right with your analysis of how he thinks about me. I am not on Facebook but a friend of mine looked at his facebook site a few months ago and it looks like he is still going off enjoying himself, probably spending my money. Think he now lives in Pennsylvania with his wife and several 50s cars. He will get caught one day I hope, thanks again for all your help, I will come back to you with anything positive.
Andy
Hi Bob,
I have sent a message to your mail address as requested. Thanks.
Andy
Andy:
You are welcome and there appears to be other Cadillac owners that are willing to assist your plight, so you need to light your fire!
Keep me informed (I am on email all the time if needed).
Good luck Andy mate.
Hi Andy,
Sorry to hear about your '58! I'm in the UK too and have a '58 sedan which im currently restoring, it originally came from North Hollywood and was imported in 1989 (not by me).
If you go to www.whitepages.com and do a search for Nicholas Caparelli you'll get a listing for a current address and phone numbers, it also shows he has lived in Las Vegas NV, Hendersen NV and West Hollywood CA so i'd hazard a guess that this is your guy. The free listing lists the basic info but the premium (paid) listing gives more details.
Hope this helps and if i think of anything else i'll get back to you and if i can help just ask :)
Cheers,
Alasdair
Hi Andy,
I had a look on google maps & streetview at the address listed on whitepages and going by the cars on the driveway and the cars that are posted on Nicki Bratz's Facebook page then I'd definitely say they are the same person :)
At least its something else to pass on to the police.
Cheers for now,
Alasdair
Andy:
I do not have FaceBook, so used my wife's access and it does appear that he may now be living in Pennsylvania, which does not stop you from filing a police report in Las Vegas, NV.
If you are interested you can look for the suspect on many sites, such as "NUWBER" and they will say where he used to live and where he lives now.
The site will provide some of his details, but not all, unless you pay a small fee, which should also show his criminal history.
The other site said he previously was residing at 8445 Las Vegas Boulevard, Apt # 2030, Las Vegas, NV 89123 ("Diamond Sands") and was 30 years old.
One local law enforcement (free) site says someone with the same name was arrested in Bergen, New Jersey in October 2014:
D.O.B.: 6-11-1989
5'9"
175 #
CASE # 10-23-2104
OFFENCE: 3 COUNTS OF FORGERY
If you do not have his email: ROCKETCARZemail addresses not permitted
Here is a link to another of his sites:
https://www.kingdaddycaddy.com/threads/1958-cadillac-king-daddy-caddy-photos.1090/
You may see your car in the photos.
Andy:
If you send email to the suspect, when you give them an ultimatum, include this as a warning:
"NRS 686A. 2815 is the statute that makes automobile insurance fraud a crime in the state of Nevada.
This section prohibits bringing a false claim for auto insurance benefits.
A conviction is treated as a category D felony that carries up to 4 years in prison and a fine of up to $5000.00."
Hi Alasdair,
Many thanks for joining my search and for the information, I have checked out "White pages" very interesting, yes this is the guy living now at 18 Seckelpear Road Levittown, I have taken as much detail as I can. Other information about criminal records I cannot get into as you can only acess this info if you are a US resident.
Andy
Gary
Thanks so much for your help again, you and others have spurred me on to continue this fight as I have felt alone fighting this battle with someone who is so far away.
Just to give you an update, I have sent an email to the LVpd mail address you gave me listing the situation I am in and all the bank codes etc of Nikki's and mine and the acceptance number from here for the payment for the car. As yet I haven't had a reply from the police, if I do hear from them (don't have a lot of confidence about that due to the other times I have contacted) that will give me an uplift to think someone out there in the police dept is willing to help me. I have also looked at the other website kingdaddycaddy and like you said my car is on the home page, the 10th picture down. I did look at the 9th picture as I am sure that one was one his Facebook page that a friend of mine sent me. If you look at that car, the green one, it has a blue interior the same colour as my blue 58. Surely a green car wouldn't have a blue interior even if someone had repainted it, they would have changed the interior colour too I would think as it looks very odd to me. Perhaps he has painted it again and sold it to someone else? I did find an email address of an author on the kingdaddy site and have sent him a mail to tell him the 10th picture of the blue caddy is mine and if he sees it to let me know and report it to the police, have given him the VIN as well so we will see what happens if anything. 'm exploring all avenues Gary.
I have taken on board everything you have advised me on and will deal with that mail to Nikki.....
Thanks again, if you lived near me I'd buy you a beer :-)
Andy
Andy:
You are welcome and glad to see you have started.
Give them a week or two to reply to your email.
If you had filed a claim at the outset they would have been all over this theft and fraud...
Once the Covid situation is over I will come back to London to do some "marketing" (or as my wife says "going to the pub with clients"), watch some Chelsea games and see some friends and family.
I will try to assist you where I can, so feel free to send me (by email) all what you have, so I can review what documents you have, wire transfers, Bill of Sale, photographs, what you sent, emails, chronology, etc. if you want (no obligation).
Gary
I will send some things to you on a PM, didn't get a bill of sale I'm afraid, kept asking for one but it never was sent. I suppose it is easy now to think things were wrong but this was my first time buying and importing a car from the US. I have imported four since then and still own two of them, a 57 Fleetwood and a 76 Mercury Marquis 2 door. I have two modern Chryslers which I have owned for over 8 years, 2005 Chrysler Crossfire roadster and 2010 Chrysler 300C touring (wagon) which is my daily driver and is a 3ltr diesel which will do 43 miles per gallon on a journey.
There are many old american cars that I would love to own though but no money or space to keep them in, always loved the 58 Coupe but it is obviously not meant to be Gary, but the fight goes on. Have a good day my friend.
Andy
So you have no Bill of Sale, but do you have the Original Title?
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On a separate note, it seems that the UK government do not want any cars over 30 years old from the USA (or anywhere else for that matter) as they will be increasing the taxes at the start of the new year (20% VAT + 10% Import Duty).
Andy,
I tried to answer your email but it got rejected. It looks like you have plenty of help now. Good Luck.
Bob
Gary
As far as I am aware imported cars over 20 years old or cars of special interest the duty is only 5%, but who knows what the new rules may be. It will be a pity if that changes.
Do you feel Joe Bidden will do better than Trump? Personally I didn't rate Trump very much as a President, he didn't come across as a professional guy and hid behind sending tweets and things. Must have been popular to get voted in last time. Have sent you a PM Gary
Andy
Andy,
1. If/when you file a report with the FBI or a Police Department, have them send the details to be included on the WSATI Stolen Classics website. https://www.wsati.org/stolenclassics.html
2. You might also reach out to this group personally to find out if they can recommend you to someone who may be able to assist. https://www.wsati.org/announce.html#stolenclassics
3. Have you tried contacting someone from the CLC Las Vegas Chapter? They are a VERY ACTIVE group and someone may know the person who swindled you. https://www.lasvegascadillacclub.com/
Good luck & persevere!!!
Hi Carfreak,
Thank you for your suggestions and information, I do appreciate any help anyone will give me.
I did file an IC3 report to the FBI last May and as yet I haven't heard from them, they would be the guys to report to as this was an internet crime by Nicholas B Caparelli. I have also sent a copy of the IC£ report and several documents by post to the FBI in December 2020. I have also called the FBI at Washington DC from the UK and spoke to an agent there. He isn't allowed to give out any information for security reasons and he has suggested I send any further information to them on another IC3 report so I will look into that and see what I can find out.
I will also look at the sites you have suggested and see what I can do there too. Stay safe. Thanks. Andy
Just to give you all an update on tracing my 58 Coupe. I had a mail from the seller (Nicholas Caparelli) in february telling me he is not liable to repay any money to me due to he says that I took the car away to another repair shop for repair. He is a LIAR, I live 6000 miles away from where he lived in Vegas and it was him that took the car (or so he says) to his buddy in CA. I still think he sold my car to another person so keep your eye out for my car Vin: 58G022669. I will keep looking for it and keep reminding people about it. I have filed IC3 reports and called the FBI and you can read the previous threads if you wish. Thanks, Andy
Hi Robert,
Thanks for spending the time to help me. I have tried searching for that Vin over here in the UK but not had success. Yes this is definitely my car which I bought in march 2016. After buying it I asked the seller if he would check the car out and carry out work that was needed and I would pay for the work. He said he checked out the motor and it needed overhauling. This is where the advert becomes suspicious as it is advertised with the overhauled motor. But he says the car is 57 years old which makes it around the time I bought it. I would really like to find out what date this advert is but I cannot seem to find a way to do that. Beautiful car though isn't it and you can see why I want to know what happened to it and who has it now. Thanks Robert.
Andy
Andy, I just called a friend in Vegas and she will drive to see the car as soon as she gets and confirmed address.
I also sent to "suspect" an email saying I am interested and have cash.
I expect to hear from him soon.
Hi Gary,
Good to hear from you and thanks for helping again.
I think this may be an old advert before the suspect re-located to Levittown PA, however the advert says the motor has been overhauled and that was supposed to be done December 2016/January 2017 which is pretty strange. It will be interesting to see what the suspect (seller) has to say about the car, whether it has been sold. If he says it has been sold then can you ask where it has gone and who owns it as you want to see if the new owner will sell it? So I am interested to see what he says. Thanks again. Andy
Found this:
http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/cadillac/145037-no-reserve-1958-cadillac-series-62-2dr-hardtop-factory-orig-survivor-57-59.html
Hope it helps
Quote from: Jon S on March 14, 2021, 11:13:41 AM
Found this:
http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/cadillac/145037-no-reserve-1958-cadillac-series-62-2dr-hardtop-factory-orig-survivor-57-59.html
Hope it helps
Top pic is from the ad car was purchased from 5 years ago, as taken from page 2 of this thread.
Bottom pic is a current pic from the above auction link.
Same car. Look at the pavement the front left wheel is parked on...
Andy you have my e-mail so please contact me via that way.
Kimberlin 1974
Hi Robert,
Thank you for your kind words, I have only just noticed your thread, my apologies.
I have been to the USA a few times over the years since 1989 and have met some absolutely lovely people over there. We drove the Route '66 when I was 66 a few years ago, got lost at one place, two guys in a pick up stopped to see if we were ok. I got out with my map then he discovered I was from the UK, shook my hand and we had a short chat then he drove over 5 miles with us following to the '66 that we couldn't find. So I know there are far more nice helpful people in the USA than the bum I bought a car from. I have also had so much help from guys on this forum that I may not have received in my own country. Many thanks for your help and I won't give up until my problem is sorted.
Best wishes
Andy
Jon,
Thank you for checking this out for me, is this a current advert?
Andy
Quote from: chrisntam on March 14, 2021, 12:02:51 PM
Top pic is from the ad car was purchased from 5 years ago, as taken from page 2 of this thread.
Bottom pic is a current pic from the above auction link.
Same car. Look at the pavement the front left wheel is parked on...
Agreed and it is still for sale to some additional unsuspecting buyers!
chrisntam
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the thread on this, is this a current advert? If so it looks like my car is hidden in Vegas as the seller has moved to Levittown PA or is it a different seller?
The pictures pretty much look the same though to me apart from a slightly different angle shot or am I missing something?
Andy
Find out what the VIN number is on the one being auctioned.
The colour is unique to that car as the seller painted it. I know it is the same car as the emblem is missing on the trunk too. I just wonder if it is a scam or does it exist?
Andy
Quote from: lexi on June 18, 2020, 09:37:37 AM
Should the police someday consider laying charges, in some jurisdictions the "extending of credit" is viewed by the judiciary as one having accepted the terms of such a situation. Successful prosecution is therefore not likely given those circumstances, in some jurisdictions. If it were me I would want it all or nothing. Clay/Lexi
A hypothetical look at the matters as presented:
Today I read through all of these posts on this thread, and wish to comment on my June 18th 2020 comment on the "
extending of credit", (which I still stand by). As you have since stated that the seller had already sent you $5,000 which I presume you accepted, the aforementioned situation of credit extending may have already been triggered. Again, this would be a jurisdictional matter as laws may vary from State to State. That said, it appears that your payment for the vehicle itself was less than the $18,000 claimed, however, that sum also includes the cost of engine repairs and painting that you agreed to. Is that correct?
Just thinking out loud, but I wonder if the seller has refunded you the cost of the repairs (but not the cost of the vehicle)? Perhaps he may argue some breach of contract in which he was only obligated to refund your repair costs? Not saying I agree based on what I have read, but if your claims are accurate it may be indicative of the seller having attempted to "cover his tracks", so to speak, and attempt to undo certain errors. I do not live in the U.S. but have 37 years of Law Enforcement background and I can see that your problems with the seller could very well fall into a contract law dispute. In that case, you may be directed to pursue a remedy via civil law, in which the seller may claim a contractual breach of some sort, which impacted his sale of the vehicle; thereby costing him lost revenue. Your claim may also have reached its limitation status, and may no longer be actionable; hence perhaps the reason for drawing this matter out time-wise. Not saying I agree, but have seen this before, even with insurance companies. Perhaps, again why he only has refunded what
may be money for repairs. Speculating as I have not seen a breakdown of all costs. Not asking for such either, just thinking out loud here.
That said, the seller may still have run afoul of various State legislation and Insurance regulations, (i.e. car lost by fire which is said to be false, as one example). So, he may be able to win the battle with you by way of the extension of credit argument or just because of your position of living in another country and not having the resources to pursue the matter. That said, he could still lose the "war" and find himself in far more trouble with respect to fraud, should your allegations prove true. If this is multi jurisdictional, he may have even increased his legal jeopardy, which in theory would have far more serious implications.
If what has been reported is factual, it would be in his best interests to refund what remains and hope you go away. Clay/Lexi
Hi Clay,
Thanks for your input, may I clarify things? Firstly I am a very honest person and expect everyone I deal with to be the same (not that you are accusing me of untruths) but sadly some are not and take advantage of someone's good nature. I understand why you think the way you do though being in law enforcement and where would we be without guys like you. My eldest daughter was a supervisor CSI here in the UK for 19 years so the job makes someone suspicious that's just how it is.
So, I actually paid $18500 for the car in March 2016, I asked the seller if he would replace the rubbers on the car (door and window rubbers) and I offered to pay for this job as I felt it was only fair to do so. The seller didn't want payment and said he would throw that in with the deal. The car was already repainted before it went for sale so that doesn't come into it at all. I asked him to check the motor and trans, he said the trans was ok but the motor needed a rebuild and he would take the car to his "buddy down the road" who I found out later was 100 miles away in CA. I offered to pay for the rebuild.
The seller mailed me to say he was sorry but the car was caught in an electrical fire in the other guy's workshop who rebuilt the motor, the guy had no insurance. The seller could not provide any proof of a fire or evidence that my car was totaled in it. I have found out recently there was no fire in that area at all at the time stated.
The seller agreed to repay me, I said to just repay $18,000, keep the other $500 for the parts he said he bought. He paid me back $5,000 in 2017 and hasn't paid me anything since then.
So I hope that clarifies some things that you didn't get quite right Clay. Net result at this moment in time is that I do not have the car and I am still owed $13,000, simple as that. The seller still has the car as it appears from the advert and he still has my $13,000. He has 3 convictions of fraud from the past so I think this may give you a better understanding all round.
Thank you for spending the time to write your thread, much appreciated.
Andy
Quote from: chrisntam on March 14, 2021, 01:37:46 PM
Find out what the VIN number is on the one being auctioned.
The VIN Number is in the ad - 58G022669!
Hey Andy, you are most welcome. That clarifies some matters, so much thanks for your response. I as well spent time in CSI, (almost 14 years in Forensic Science), so I worked on both the pure & applied investigative as well as the Scientific side of Law Enforcement Investigations over my 37 year career. To be fair to the seller as well as to the Administrators of this Forum, I won't cast judgment as we have not heard his side of the story. Besides this is not a legal Forum nor are we the trier of facts. You seem to be a reasonable individual so I imagine you understand this. That said, if you have reported the facts accurately and he is reading this, I would urge him to communicate with you asap with a view to resolve all outstanding matters in an amicable, legitimate manner. Clay/Lexi
Hi Clay,
I do understand you only have a one sided account of the situation but surely if a person has paid for a car he deserves to have it doesn't he? There has to be no question about that. This is the case that I have to cope with, someone has cheated me out of either the car I bought or refunding the money I have paid for it. He has repaid me $5k in 2017 so surely to anyone, that alone is sealing the admission that he agrees he should repay me what I have paid for the car. It is 5 years since I bought the car so I do not feel I am being unreasonable waiting that amount of time for my money.
I am 73 years old Clay and I would never treat anyone how I have been treated, I have rather helped others with funds to sort some problems out for them and I do not feel I deserve to be treated in this way. I am not annoyed with you but just putting my view forward. I will carry on to get success, someone out there will help me to get justice.
Thank, Andy
The devil is always in the details Andy. Hopefully one or more Law Enforcement agencies in the U.S. will follow up and bring this matter to a logical conclusion. Hope you have all papers and can provide enough evidence to compel the authorities to act. Sounds like you have a great resource person to turn to, (your eldest daughter), to best organize these matters for the information and attention of the authorities. If it were me I would have her assist in writing an Investigative style report or even a court brief style type of document for investigative consideration. They would also serve as your case organization, which is extremely important. I strongly suspect that by doing this, it will increase the probability of having your complaint dealt with.
If done properly it should present your case with Prima facie evidence that a crime has been committed. Basically, that means "at first glance" your case would obtain a conviction in the absence of a rebuttal. As your daughter managed a CSI group of Investigators she would be able to assist in this regard. These matters would be written considering the elements necessary to establish Prima facie as well as what actually constitutes evidence, of which there are several types. Your daughter will know what to do! So, this is one way to achieve attention and stand out from the crowd. Clay/Lexi
P.S. If someone from this site did communicate with the seller, it wasn't me! Don't even know this individual.
Clay, many thanks for your advice, I will chat with my daughter to see if she can help. She was made redundant from the force around 8 years ago and now runs her own business with her husband doing something completely different. The seller will get caught one day I will do my best to make it happen.
Andy
Hi everyone,
Just to give you all an update.
I have filed another IC3 report with the updated information that my 58 Coupe was up for sale even though it is supposed to have been burned up. Have also mailed LVPD with this information and a few other guys in LV too. I believe my car is being hidden in Las Vegas somewhere so keep an eye out for it and if it comes up for sale again please let me know, thanks.
Andy
Hi guys,
Has anyone seen my 58 Coupe up for sale lately, vin:58G022669. This guy Nicki Caparelli still has it hidden somewhere maybe in the Vegas area where he used to live.
Thanks for any help in finding it.
Andy
Hi Guys,
Just to repeat my question, has anyone seen another advert for my 58 coupe in the USA or has anyone seen the car being driven maybe in the Vegas area? Or does anyone know where this car is being kept or hidden?
Lastly, can someone go on "White pages " for me to find any updates on Nicholas Caparelli to see if he has recently been convicted of fraud or anything else please?
White pages won't let anyone who resides outside the USA to find information.
I bought my 58 Cadillac Coupe from this person and never got it, have reported him to the FBI but don't know the outcome and can't find out any information. Thanks.
Andy
I'll ask around in the Las Vegas region, but I think we'd have noticed if that car was running around on the streets.
A couple of observations, as a Las Vegas lawyer. And to be clear, this is *not* legal advice, I would never give that on a forum!
1) While the police would be likely to process such a report and forward to the District Attorney to prosecute, that won't, in itself, trigger a refund. A successful criminal prosecution would likely, though, result in a restitution order--but even that isn't self enforcing. As a general principle off law, however, it *could* be the basis for a civil judgment (which also wouldn't enforce itself). A restitution order would generally simply remain a debt, although not paying amounts consistent with income could be a factor in release from parole or probation.
2) In all 50 states, the Unifor Commercial Code provides that for property covered by a document of title, possession of the property and the title gives an apparent authority to transfer the title, and a safe harbor for the buyer. Someone who had contracted to purchase the property would usually not be able to recover from the property for a bona fide purchaser for value.
3) While I haven't generally practiced in criminal nor general civil law in nearly three decades, $13k is, generally, not an economically feasible to collect with a lawyer.
4) I don't remember what the statute of limitations is for felonies. For that matter, it may well have changed since I did! Civilly, for a written contract, it's six years (but can extended for time a person isn't in the jurisdiction and amenable to service).
And setting aside lawyerly thinking . . .
Two 58 caddies in nice shape in an apartment carport???. In Las Vegas???
Understand that our sun here is such that we don't bother paying attention to tread life when choosing tires, as they won't last long enough to matter. They die from "dry rot" as the UV takes out the sidewalls first. And paint just plain doesn't last.
Hi Richard,
I have only just found your message, I usually get an alert come through but not with yours. Thank you for your input and knowledge.
I still haven't heard anything from the FBI or other PD's at all, like you say to many people $13,000 is not very much money but for me a 74 year old guy from England it is quite a lot of money and I had to work a lot of hours to save this amount to have one of my dream cars. This was then taken away by a low life scum who only cares about himself and unfortunately every legal avenue I have tried for help none are interested, in fact many do not have the courtesy to even reply. I couldn't treat someone like that, perhaps we have different morals over here, who knows.
I did have correspondence from someone who has tried to help me from the USA and he did his best to help me which I was grateful for, however we haven't succeeded.
I am back to asking anyone if they have seen my 58 Coupe being driven around or know where it is stored or has seen it advertised to please let me know.
I send a big thank you to all on this forum who have tried to help and to those who will hopefully try to help in the future.
I also have mails from "White pages" telling me of changes to Nicholas Caparrelli but not being a resident of the USA I cannot gain access to the information to see if this person has been convicted recently etc so perhaps someone can help me get information from that too.
This forum is fantastic and I have used it for various car questions over the last couple of years. Thank you all again.
Andy Green
don't feel bad about timing, I just found yours!
and, yes, notifications seem to have flown away in the wind around here.
I'm very much not suggesting that it's not a lot of money.
The problem is that the attorney time for a case like this, unless the whereabouts were all already known, would probably be more than the amount to be recovered.
On the bright side, a year or two ago, Carl Fielding's '28 was sighted and found by someone on here . . .
Hi Richard,
Yes I understand that the costs of an attorney may out way what is owed to me naturally and I think Nicholas Caparelli of 18 Seckelpear Road Levittown PA 19056 is aware of the advantage he has over me and why he is the scum he is. He used to live at 8255 S. Las Vegas Blvd Las Vegas NV89123. It is believed that my car is still in the Vegas area on a trailer park somewhere but I would have to invest in hiring a P.I to trace the whereabouts of my car. If the car is found then I have more legal expenses to take things further.
The money he owes me is part of my children's inheritance when I pass on, what sort of bum would do that and how many other people will he do that to until he is stopped and put in jail for fraud? My hands are tied Richard as I cannot spend more of my Children's inheritance on this matter as I feel I would be cheating them.
He has a website: Rocket Carz and you will see pictures of him on it.
Thanks for the advice.
Hi guys,
I am asking again if anyone has seen my 58 Coupe mentioned above? Maybe in the Vegas area somewhere, keep looking for me please, thanks.
Andy
I tried to understand the entire 6 pages of events here. While I absolutely understand your unfortunate frustration and loss, the situation seems rather dire.
My best suggestion would be to consult with an attorney of jurisdiction.
Be mindful there is a statute of limitations of probable 2 years.
If no official stolen vehicle report was made ...there seems zero optimism of recourse
even if you locate the vehicle.