This was the first 53 eldo I've seen in person. No, it's not for sale, I'm not going to give you the guys name or number. He's had it for 29 years, it was given to him from an old friend when he passed away. He has no Intrest in any $$$ amount. (and sadly, I did not get the serial number).
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Charles
It looks like the car is in the hands of someone who is driving it, and looks to be taking reasonable care of it. What's so sad about that?
I think that it is more sad that soon we won't see cars like this, they'll all be super restored. There really is something nice about cars that have just been kept on the road like this , flat paint, worn upholstery etc. !!!
Phil
Lovely car!
That's a dream machine for me :-) And if I ever could afford one I guess this would be the condition it would be in, but I would not mind that - this is my absolute dream car :-)
I have only seen one 53 Eldorado in real life myself (last summer) and that was the first imported into Sweden some 30 years ago (today there are quite a lot of them over here) and that car is in really good condition.
Fantastic pictures - thanks for posting them!
/Rikard
I think what is so sad, is that this car, which is so important to Cadillac's history, appears to be just wasting away. I am not suggesting a total frame off restoration, but I think it should be given just a little more TLC to better be displayed.
Quote from: Johnny F #662 on March 23, 2008, 07:38:17 PM
I think what is so sad, is that this car, which is so important to Cadillac's history, appears to be just wasting away. I am not suggesting a total frame off restoration, but I think it should be given just a little more TLC to better be displayed.
I think that's my point. My cadillac is no where near 'frame-off restoration' shape. She's a 10 footer, and I drive her about 100+ miles every weekend. She's a driver, but even I know that sometimes you need to wash her, or fix something here or there....not just let it waste away.
Quote from: Charles on March 23, 2008, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: Johnny F #662 on March 23, 2008, 07:38:17 PM
I think what is so sad, is that this car, which is so important to Cadillac's history, appears to be just wasting away. I am not suggesting a total frame off restoration, but I think it should be given just a little more TLC to better be displayed.
I think that's my point. My Cadillac is no where near 'frame-off restoration' shape. She's a 10 footer, and I drive her about 100+ miles every weekend. She's a driver, but even I know that sometimes you need to wash her, or fix something here or there....not just let it waste away.
To continue..........I am far from being an expert on '53 Eldo, but it appears to me that most of the exterior trim is in good condition and all there, but not too sure of the low rear fender piece of chrome/stainless steel. I wonder if the owner even has a conception of what a classic he owns. Does he think he just has a nice old Cadillac convertible?
That is what those cars looked like 30+ years ago when they were worth $1000. The bad part now about that car is it looks like he's living in it. And I'm being kind. The trim is 60-S. I had an Eldo years ago that had a complete set installed probably by the dealer. The buyer removed every piece. Bob
I have posted this before, under the topic of something along the lines of asking how do "ultra" Cadillacs get to be junk? Here we have an example of a classic that will most likely end up in the crusher. I think I would be safe to say, to most people, unlike we Cadillac Enthusiasts, the car represents nothing more then an old car, and how they used to like. At best some may appreciate how seeing how cars used to look, compared to today's cars. I would imagine, very few realize the importance of this particular car in the history of American cars in general and specifically Cadillacs. Hopefully the gentleman, that currently owns the car, will make the decision to make some sort of plans, to see that the car gets passed on, to an owner, that will treat this car with proper respect.
I appreciate the way the owner is actually driving his car, and enjoying the fact that he can drive it.
Granted, it might be one of the rarer cars around, but at least it is being used for what it was built for, and not stuck in someone's garage or museum sitting still and fenced off so nobody can actually "feel" it.
I am sure that the owner is happy to let people touch it, unlike a lot of total purists.
Bruce. >:D
PS. I like driving my cars over all sorts of roads, and in any weather.
I agree ! I love to see trailer queens, but a smile a mile wide would have come over me to see this guy, who obviously loves his car, drive up to a car show ! My Bicentennial is so perfect, I don't feel at ease to use it. My 61 Continental convertible-though only 46,000 , 1 previous owner miles, has enough blemishes which allow me to absolutely have fun with it ! There is a case for both sides ! Barry
Quote from: The Tassie Deville) on March 24, 2008, 06:50:57 PM
I appreciate the way the owner is actually driving his car, and enjoying the fact that he can drive it.
Granted, it might be one of the rarer cars around, but at least it is being used for what it was built for, and not stuck in someone's garage or museum sitting still and fenced off so nobody can actually "feel" it.
I am sure that the owner is happy to let people touch it, unlike a lot of total purists.
Bruce. >:D
PS. I like driving my cars over all sorts of roads, and in any weather.
I would tend to agree with you, as I am also from the school of thinking that cars are to be driven, but I think a special set of rules applies to '53 Eldos, and the Broughams of the late 50's. These were cars that were put out by GM to solidify Cadillac's position as the luxury car of the USA, if not the world. Am I the only one that sees this car as more then just another classic Cadillac, and as a proper relic of America's history of once producing the most luxurious car available?
Quote from: Johnny F #662 on March 24, 2008, 08:37:20 PM
I would tend to agree with you, as I am also from the school of thinking that cars are to be driven, but I think a special set of rules applies to '53 Eldos, and the Broughams of the late 50's. These were cars that were put out by GM to solidify Cadillac's position as the luxury car of the USA, if not the world. Am I the only one that sees this car as more then just another classic Cadillac, and as a proper relic of America's history of once producing the most luxurious car available?
One of the "problems" that I have is when one owns one of these cars, and possibly cannot afford to spend the money required to "restore" it, should they use it themselves as they want to, or be forced to sell it to someone who has the funds?
I have had "rare" cars, here anyway, and haven't had the funds to do them up. Nobody is going to tell me that I should spend money that I haven't got. And I am surely not going to sell it, until I have finished "enjoying" it.
Bruce. >:D
PS. For a while I had the only '55 Chev Convertible in Australia, amongst others. Oh, that's right, it wasn't a Cadillac. ;)
You know...the more I think about it (and I've been thinking about it alot)....I guess it is less sad, and more jealousy. I soooooo want this car, and seeing it in this condition makes it worse, as it's possibly in a price range that I could actually afford, rather than a 'super-restored' version.
Yep...jealousy is probably what it is.
And yes, the owner is aware of what he has. I'll try to get the Car# the next time I see him. (but I believe it is car #342)
Charles
Quote from: The Tassie Deville) on March 24, 2008, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: Johnny F #662 on March 24, 2008, 08:37:20 PM
I would tend to agree with you, as I am also from the school of thinking that cars are to be driven, but I think a special set of rules applies to '53 Eldos, and the Broughams of the late 50's. These were cars that were put out by GM to solidify Cadillac's position as the luxury car of the USA, if not the world. Am I the only one that sees this car as more then just another classic Cadillac, and as a proper relic of America's history of once producing the most luxurious car available?
One of the "problems" that I have is when one owns one of these cars, and possibly cannot afford to spend the money required to "restore" it, should they use it themselves as they want to, or be forced to sell it to someone who has the funds?
I have had "rare" cars, here anyway, and haven't had the funds to do them up. Nobody is going to tell me that I should spend money that I haven't got. And I am surely not going to sell it, until I have finished "enjoying" it.
Bruce. >:D
PS. For a while I had the only '55 Chev Convertible in Australia, amongst others. Oh, that's right, it wasn't a Cadillac. ;)
Tassie, you bring up probably the most important determining factor in our hobby..........."funds available". There is no denying that restoring this car would be a very costly undertaking and most likely out of reach for most people. And yes, I agree that the owner of any car is entitled to do whatever they choose with their car. The purpose of my posts is no more then expressing a hope that somewhere along the line, this car will end up in the ownership of someone that would restore it to a more presentable condition. I am not necessarily speaking of a frame off restoration. Actually from the pictures, it appears as basically all it needs to look good, is a paint job and new interior and radio. Sure this can be somewhat costly, but most likely cheaper then if the owner had a cracked windshield and had to find a replacement.
Personally, I think it's great to see a 53 Eldo being used like this.
The car is obviously at an old car show so I'd doubt this car would end up in the crusher - the old guys that do this sort of thing tend to be loners that don't want people to know what they've got in my opinion.
I don't know that jealousy is even the right word, maybe a bit envious as clearly in terms of getting this car, the guy was in the right place at the right time (not trying to denigrate the memory of his friend)
I say more power to him - I've seen the 60-S dress up added to a few 53's and while I wouldn't do it, it is certainly 'of the time'!
It kind of reminds me of my blue car, which in turn reminds me of the blue car from Norway that shows up at Vasteras sometimes in about the same condition - I think they look fantastic like this!
Quote from: Stewart Homan on March 26, 2008, 09:19:30 AM
Personally, I think it's great to see a 53 Eldo being used like this.
The car is obviously at an old car show so I'd doubt this car would end up in the crusher - the old guys that do this sort of thing tend to be loners that don't want people to know what they've got in my opinion.
If that is the case, then why did he choose to bring it to a car show? I do not mean in any way to criticize the owner, nor take away his freedom to do with the car as he sees fit. Although I think he posses an important of Cadillac history, he is under no obligation to anything other then what he chooses to do with the car.
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Quote from: Stewart Homan on March 26, 2008, 09:19:30 AM
Personally, I think it's great to see a 53 Eldo being used like this.
The car is obviously at an old car show so I'd doubt this car would end up in the crusher - the old guys that do this sort of thing tend to be loners that don't want people to know what they've got in my opinion.
If that is the case, then why did he choose to bring it to a car show? I do not mean in any way to criticize the owner, nor take away his freedom to do with the car as he sees fit. Although I think he posses an important of Cadillac history, he is under no obligation to anything other then what he chooses to do with the car.
That is my point in reply to someone suggesting it MAY end up in the crusher!
I can't see any reason why it should!
Have you still got your 53 Eldo Stewart ?
Looks like it has 54 wiper arms. whoever restores it will need a set of the correct 53 Eldorado arms. Dave
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Quote from: Johnny F #662 on March 26, 2008, 10:02:42 AM
Quote from: Stewart Homan on March 26, 2008, 09:19:30 AM
Personally, I think it's great to see a 53 Eldo being used like this.
The car is obviously at an old car show so I'd doubt this car would end up in the crusher - the old guys that do this sort of thing tend to be loners that don't want people to know what they've got in my opinion.
If that is the case, then why did he choose to bring it to a car show? I do not mean in any way to criticize the owner, nor take away his freedom to do with the car as he sees fit. Although I think he posses an important of Cadillac history, he is under no obligation to anything other then what he chooses to do with the car.
That is my point in reply to someone suggesting it MAY end up in the crusher!
I can't see any reason why it should!
Why not? Apparently the owner has no desire to pass this car on to someone that realizes what it is. Many times this cars end up in the hands of relatives, who could care less. Hopefully they will come in contact with someone that will explain to them what a valuable find they have, rather then them just getting rid of Uncle Harold's "old car" to a salvage yard.
Quote from: The Tassie Deville) on March 24, 2008, 06:50:57 PM
I am sure that the owner is happy to let people touch it, unlike a lot of total purists.
Bruce. >:D
PS. I like driving my cars over all sorts of roads, and in any weather.
I like driving my cars too, but I don't care what condition it's in I don't want people touching my car, bike, truck etc. And I'm not a purist either.
I may think your wife is pretty, but I'm sure you don't want my hands all over her!
BJ
Quote from: PHIL WHYTE CLC 14192 on March 26, 2008, 12:44:44 PM
Have you still got your 53 Eldo Stewart ?
I do still have my white one - that is the ex John McGraw from Pittsburgh/Jerry De Persio white car (originally blue), I also have 2 others which are fairly similar to the black car above which I'm dithering over what to do with - I'm trying to finish a blue 59 Biarritz that I've had for 5 years and never driven, for this summer!
Quote from: Dave Ventresca on March 26, 2008, 01:25:33 PM
Looks like it has 54 wiper arms. whoever restores it will need a set of the correct 53 Eldorado arms. Dave
Hi Dave,
I don't suppose you have any 53 Eldo arms kicking around? I could use a set!
Thanks,
Stewart
This is a true survivor,as a collector/historian I love this type of car,in fact this car is much more interesting to me than your Barrett special with 2-stage paint,thin leather,and parts from 5 other cars,also,it is quite obvious that this car in not being neglected,this is what the $295.00 cars in hemmings mid-60's looked like, I am actually looking for a 59 like this ,I will research the numbers on the car,will post follow up in a month or so,have recently found a few more missing 53's as I search out 59's,Bill
Quote from: wrefakis on March 27, 2008, 10:28:11 AM
This is a true survivor,as a collector/historian I love this type of car,in fact this car is much more interesting to me than your Barrett special with 2-stage paint,thin leather,and parts from 5 other cars,also,it is quite obvious that this car in not being neglected,this is what the $295.00 cars in hemmings mid-60's looked like, I am actually looking for a 59 like this ,I will research the numbers on the car,will post follow up in a month or so,have recently found a few more missing 53's as I search out 59's,Bill
Absolutely Bill, this black one is similar to the white 'finless' car in terms of being a survivor! BTW, I managed to contact the guy in CH with the 3PS car - he says it has every option, still on air but doesn't know if it's data plate correct - As soon as I have the info, I will pass it on!
Quote from: wrefakis on March 27, 2008, 10:28:11 AM
This is a true survivor,as a collector/historian I love this type of car,in fact this car is much more interesting to me than your Barrett special with 2-stage paint,thin leather,and parts from 5 other cars,also,it is quite obvious that this car in not being neglected,this is what the $295.00 cars in hemmings mid-60's looked like, I am actually looking for a 59 like this ,I will research the numbers on the car,will post follow up in a month or so,have recently found a few more missing 53's as I search out 59's,Bill
Not being neglected? You got to be kidding! The trash hauling company in my neighborhood has more pride in the appearance of their trucks, then the owner does of this car.
Thanks,Stu,I know that you love them like this as well ,when I see this car,I remember back when they were kept as "station cars",I would go to the train station back in 68,and find all kinds of grand stuff from 50-60 looking like this one,bought my first old car that summer,a near mint 56 roadmaster convertible triple white 100% original one owner "station car" for 45.00 dollars. At 13,I could not drive it,sold for 225.00,and the rest was history!
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Quote from: wrefakis on March 27, 2008, 10:28:11 AM
This is a true survivor,as a collector/historian I love this type of car,in fact this car is much more interesting to me than your Barrett special with 2-stage paint,thin leather,and parts from 5 other cars,also,it is quite obvious that this car in not being neglected,this is what the $295.00 cars in hemmings mid-60's looked like, I am actually looking for a 59 like this ,I will research the numbers on the car,will post follow up in a month or so,have recently found a few more missing 53's as I search out 59's,Bill
Not being neglected? You got to be kidding! The trash hauling company in my neighborhood has more pride in the appearance of their trucks, then the owner does of this car.
I guess each to their own but I really don't see this car as being neglected - more like he's preserving it in the condition it was in when his late friend left it to him! My feeling is the cars licence plate is a clue to how the guy values (personally not monetary) the car. I'd be surprised if this car got cubed!
Quote from: wrefakis on March 27, 2008, 11:06:25 AM
Thanks,Stu,I know that you love them like this as well ,when I see this car,I remember back when they were kept as "station cars",I would go to the train station back in 68,and find all kinds of grand stuff from 50-60 looking like this one,bought my first old car that summer,a near mint 56 roadmaster convertible triple white 100% original one owner "station car" for 45.00 dollars. At 13,I could not drive it,sold for 225.00,and the rest was history!
Fantastic! We can just dream of those days now!
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Quote from: refakis on March 27, 2008, 10:28:11 AM
This is a true survivor,as a collector/historian I love this type of car,in fact this car is much more interesting to me than your Barrett special with 2-stage paint,thin leather,and parts from 5 other cars,also,it is quite obvious that this car in not being neglected,this is what the $295.00 cars in hemmings mid-60's looked like, I am actually looking for a 59 like this ,I will research the numbers on the car,will post follow up in a month or so,have recently found a few more missing 53's as I search out 59's,Bill
Not being neglected? You got to be kidding! The trash hauling company in my neighborhood has more pride in the appearance of their trucks, then the owner does of this car.
I guess each to their own but I really don't see this car as being neglected - more like he's preserving it in the condition it was in when his late friend left it to him! My feeling is the cars licence plate is a clue to how the guy values (personally not monetary) the car. I'd be surprised if this car got cubed!
What would the purpose of preserving (?) the cars slow deterioration? It would seem to me that at the very least, he could have thrown on a Maaco paint job, seat covers and floor mats from Pep Boys, and if he wanted to really get wild splurge for universal radio, instead of displaying a drivable parts car.
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This is a true survivor,as a collector/historian I love this type of car,in fact this car is much more interesting to me than your Barrett special with 2-stage paint,thin leather,and parts from 5 other cars,also,it is quite obvious that this car in not being neglected,this is what the $295.00 cars in hemmings mid-60's looked like, I am actually looking for a 59 like this ,I will research the numbers on the car,will post follow up in a month or so,have recently found a few more missing 53's as I search out 59's,Bill
Not being neglected? You got to be kidding! The trash hauling company in my neighborhood has more pride in the appearance of their trucks, then the owner does of this car.
I guess each to their own but I really don't see this car as being neglected - more like he's preserving it in the condition it was in when his late friend left it to him! My feeling is the cars licence plate is a clue to how the guy values (personally not monetary) the car. I'd be surprised if this car got cubed!
What would the purpose of preserving (?) the cars slow deterioration? It would seem to me that at the very least, he could have thrown on a Maaco paint job, seat covers and floor mats from Pep Boys, and if he wanted to really get wild splurge for universal radio, instead of displaying a drivable parts car.
Now that really
would be neglecting the car! The car is probably exactly the way it was the day he got it - that way it's a fitting reminder of his friend who probably used it the same way! A one day paintjob would not make this a better car - just fool the uninitiated!
I guess you either get it or you don't! - no offence meant!
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This is a true survivor,as a collector/historian I love this type of car,in fact this car is much more interesting to me than your Barrett special with 2-stage paint,thin leather,and parts from 5 other cars,also,it is quite obvious that this car in not being neglected,this is what the $295.00 cars in hemmings mid-60's looked like, I am actually looking for a 59 like this ,I will research the numbers on the car,will post follow up in a month or so,have recently found a few more missing 53's as I search out 59's,Bill
Not being neglected? You got to be kidding! The trash hauling company in my neighborhood has more pride in the appearance of their trucks, then the owner does of this car.
I guess each to their own but I really don't see this car as being neglected - more like he's preserving it in the condition it was in when his late friend left it to him! My feeling is the cars licence plate is a clue to how the guy values (personally not monetary) the car. I'd be surprised if this car got cubed!
What would the purpose of preserving (?) the cars slow deterioration? It would seem to me that at the very least, he could have thrown on a Maaco paint job, seat covers and floor mats from Pep Boys, and if he wanted to really get wild splurge for universal radio, instead of displaying a drivable parts car.
Now that really would be neglecting the car! The car is probably exactly the way it was the day he got it - that way it's a fitting reminder of his friend who probably used it the same way! A one day paint job would not make this a better car - just fool the uninitiated!
I guess you either get it or you don't! - no offence meant!
Is this car a memorial to his friend? I think that's what tombstones are for. Granted putting a one day paint job, would be the same as putting earrings on a pig, but at least the car and the pig would be more attractive, not to mention that the paint could possibly help keep away rust. Of course if the owner chooses to do nothing, and just go to shows and tell his story of how he got the car, and he gets pleasure out of doing this, then who am I to condemn him?
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This is a true survivor,as a collector/historian I love this type of car,in fact this car is much more interesting to me than your Barrett special with 2-stage paint,thin leather,and parts from 5 other cars,also,it is quite obvious that this car in not being neglected,this is what the $295.00 cars in hemmings mid-60's looked like, I am actually looking for a 59 like this ,I will research the numbers on the car,will post follow up in a month or so,have recently found a few more missing 53's as I search out 59's,Bill
Not being neglected? You got to be kidding! The trash hauling company in my neighborhood has more pride in the appearance of their trucks, then the owner does of this car.
I guess each to their own but I really don't see this car as being neglected - more like he's preserving it in the condition it was in when his late friend left it to him! My feeling is the cars licence plate is a clue to how the guy values (personally not monetary) the car. I'd be surprised if this car got cubed!
What would the purpose of preserving (?) the cars slow deterioration? It would seem to me that at the very least, he could have thrown on a Maaco paint job, seat covers and floor mats from Pep Boys, and if he wanted to really get wild splurge for universal radio, instead of displaying a drivable parts car.
Now that really would be neglecting the car! The car is probably exactly the way it was the day he got it - that way it's a fitting reminder of his friend who probably used it the same way! A one day paint job would not make this a better car - just fool the uninitiated!
I guess you either get it or you don't! - no offence meant!
Is this car a memorial to his friend? I think that's what tombstones are for. Granted putting a one day paint job, would be the same as putting earrings on a pig, but at least the car and the pig would be more attractive, not to mention that the paint could possibly help keep away rust. Of course if the owner chooses to do nothing, and just go to shows and tell his story of how he got the car, and he gets pleasure out of doing this, then who am I to condemn him?
Exactly! Thats what floats his boat in the same way Earl Sheib and good looking pigs float yours! :o)
Not only would a junky paint job do nothing but set the car way back,I'll bet that car has a very interesting history as well. the original owner may have been someone well known in the area as there was only one,yes,one 53 eldorado sold new in vermont. this car may have been passed on down thru the years,and the current owner may well feel that he is preserving a piece of local history.He may also not have 250k to do a proper restoration,and of course,that investment would not,in most cases produce a correct end product anyway,like the 59 biarritz restored by RM complete with olds buckets,and blue hood springs at a cost of 175k. Final thought,that guy probably enjoys that car a TON more than the guy in the helicopter who owns 100 bright shiney redone cars that he has a caretaker rag down once a month! Bill
hey,Stu,the original top on my 59 biarritz shows very slight wear around the rear window,sould I replace it?????
Quote from: wrefakis on March 27, 2008, 12:30:27 PM
hey,Stu,the original top on my 59 biarritz shows very slight wear around the rear window,sould I replace it?????
NEVER!...I know you're teasing Bill! ;)
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This is a true survivor,as a collector/historian I love this type of car,in fact this car is much more interesting to me than your Barrett special with 2-stage paint,thin leather,and parts from 5 other cars,also,it is quite obvious that this car in not being neglected,this is what the $295.00 cars in hemmings mid-60's looked like, I am actually looking for a 59 like this ,I will research the numbers on the car,will post follow up in a month or so,have recently found a few more missing 53's as I search out 59's,Bill
Not being neglected? You got to be kidding! The trash hauling company in my neighborhood has more pride in the appearance of their trucks, then the owner does of this car.
I guess each to their own but I really don't see this car as being neglected - more like he's preserving it in the condition it was in when his late friend left it to him! My feeling is the cars licence plate is a clue to how the guy values (personally not monetary) the car. I'd be surprised if this car got cubed!
What would the purpose of preserving (?) the cars slow deterioration? It would seem to me that at the very least, he could have thrown on a Maaco paint job, seat covers and floor mats from Pep Boys, and if he wanted to really get wild splurge for universal radio, instead of displaying a drivable parts car.
Now that really would be neglecting the car! The car is probably exactly the way it was the day he got it - that way it's a fitting reminder of his friend who probably used it the same way! A one day paint job would not make this a better car - just fool the uninitiated!
I guess you either get it or you don't! - no offence meant!
Is this car a memorial to his friend? I think that's what tombstones are for. Granted putting a one day paint job, would be the same as putting earrings on a pig, but at least the car and the pig would be more attractive, not to mention that the paint could possibly help keep away rust. Of course if the owner chooses to do nothing, and just go to shows and tell his story of how he got the car, and he gets pleasure out of doing this, then who am I to condemn him?
Exactly! That's what floats his boat in the same way Earl Scheib and good looking pigs float yours! :o)
Actually I have used the services of Earl Scheib in the past to preserve a '61 and '65 Fleetwood, and the results were quite satisfactory. Instead of riding around in crappy looking old car, I rode around in very presentable classic Cadillac, that got constant thumbs up from appreciative people.
That's the answer,your cars looked good to others,this guy enjoys the car for himself,period.
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This is a true survivor,as a collector/historian I love this type of car,in fact this car is much more interesting to me than your Barrett special with 2-stage paint,thin leather,and parts from 5 other cars,also,it is quite obvious that this car in not being neglected,this is what the $295.00 cars in hemmings mid-60's looked like, I am actually looking for a 59 like this ,I will research the numbers on the car,will post follow up in a month or so,have recently found a few more missing 53's as I search out 59's,Bill
Not being neglected? You got to be kidding! The trash hauling company in my neighborhood has more pride in the appearance of their trucks, then the owner does of this car.
I guess each to their own but I really don't see this car as being neglected - more like he's preserving it in the condition it was in when his late friend left it to him! My feeling is the cars licence plate is a clue to how the guy values (personally not monetary) the car. I'd be surprised if this car got cubed!
What would the purpose of preserving (?) the cars slow deterioration? It would seem to me that at the very least, he could have thrown on a Maaco paint job, seat covers and floor mats from Pep Boys, and if he wanted to really get wild splurge for universal radio, instead of displaying a drivable parts car.
Now that really would be neglecting the car! The car is probably exactly the way it was the day he got it - that way it's a fitting reminder of his friend who probably used it the same way! A one day paint job would not make this a better car - just fool the uninitiated!
I guess you either get it or you don't! - no offence meant!
Is this car a memorial to his friend? I think that's what tombstones are for. Granted putting a one day paint job, would be the same as putting earrings on a pig, but at least the car and the pig would be more attractive, not to mention that the paint could possibly help keep away rust. Of course if the owner chooses to do nothing, and just go to shows and tell his story of how he got the car, and he gets pleasure out of doing this, then who am I to condemn him?
Exactly! That's what floats his boat in the same way Earl Scheib and good looking pigs float yours! :o)
Actually I have used the services of Earl Scheib in the past to preserve a '61 and '65 Fleetwood, and the results were quite satisfactory. Instead of riding around in crappy looking old car, I rode around in very presentable classic Cadillac, that got constant thumbs up from appreciative people.
Me too but I doubt this car gets any less attention and I'll bet anyone that actually
knowswhat the car is practically kremes their paints when they see it especially as they'd probably lock up and high tail it after the 53 thinking they were gonna get it off the old man for $600 and 3 part chewed toffees!
Quote from: refakis on March 27, 2008, 12:28:16 PM
Not only would a junkie paint job do nothing but set the car way back,I'll bet that car has a very interesting history as well. the original owner may have been someone well known in the area as there was only one,yes,one 53 eldorado sold new in Vermont. this car may have been passed on down thru the years,and the current owner may well feel that he is preserving a piece of local history.
There is no denying that this and the rest of the '53 Eldo have an interesting history behind them. Also to be fair, none of us know what the owner's intentions are with this car. I have been pessimistic and suggested that this car might end up in the crusher. Hopefully I am entirely wrong.
QuoteHe may also not have 250k to do a proper restoration,and of course,that investment would not,in most cases produce a correct end product anyway,like the 59 biarritz restored by RM complete with olds buckets,and blue hood springs at a cost of 175k.
Who does have the 250K? All I am suggesting is that I think the car could be cosmetically upgraded at a sensible price. I have done this myself on occasion. As already stated, within the owners budget, a simple paint job, new seat covers, new carpeting would get the car just as many oohs and ahhs as the top dollar restoration.
QuoteFinal thought,that guy probably enjoys that car a TON more than the guy in the helicopter who owns 100 bright shiny redone cars that he has a caretaker rag down once a month! Bill
Don't be sucked into believing that. The saying that money doesn't bring happiness was started by the rich, to discourage the poor from getting their money. I find it ironic that you make a statement such as that on a CADILLAC message board, due to the fact that I would think that most of us first had the love of the marquee, as a symbol of showing we have arrived, rather then its engineering accomplishments.
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That's the answer,your cars looked good to others,this guy enjoys the car for himself,period.
Just as clarification, I did the "cosmetics" for myself not for others. The fact that others liked the car, added to the pleasure of driving the car. Again, as I have stated quite often already, the owner is entitled to enjoy the car in any way he sees fit. I am merely voicing my thoughts on the subject, which I also have right to do, and yes I more then welcome any thinking different then mine.
[/quote]Me too but I doubt this car gets any less attention and I'll bet anyone that actually knowswhat the car is practically kremes their paints when they see it especially as they'd probably lock up and high tail it after the 53 thinking they were gonna get it off the old man for $600 and 3 part chewed toffees!
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It is my contention, that to the average person seeing this car, including old car enthusiasts, except Cadillac enthusiasts, really don't know the significance and importance of this car, which by the way is the reason for my feelings about this car. If it was a just a Series 62 convertible, I probably wouldn't even bother to respond to this post. I see '53 Eldo as one of the most important models in Cadillac's history.
Status is why the helicopter boys just throw dough at the cars,and care little about the history of them,nor have any inclination to preserve them,after 39 years at this,I know many of the biggest money guys in the hobby,and almost to a man,the only thing the care about is how much more they have than the next guy. I myself prefer low mileage original cars,and just enjoy them for myself,rather than trying to one up anyone else,I would bet that how the eldo owner feels,you know,any one of these trump dudes can build a car from a parts bin,but how many real original ones can you find? I have lokked at many multi-million dollar collections that did not have a good car in the entire group,just your auction ready junk.
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Status is why the helicopter boys just throw dough at the cars,and care little about the history of them,nor have any inclination to preserve them,after 39 years at this,I know many of the biggest money guys in the hobby,and almost to a man,the only thing the care about is how much more they have than the next guy. I myself prefer low mileage original cars,and just enjoy them for myself,rather than trying to one up anyone else,I would bet that how the eldo owner feels,you know,any one of these trump dudes can build a car from a parts bin,but how many real original ones can you find? I have looked at many multi-million dollar collections that did not have a good car in the entire group,just your auction ready junk.
I think you are painting with a broad brush "the rich and their cars". Wouldn't you agree that Jay Leno, doesn't fit into this category? Sure there are those with mega bucks, that want to "have the most toys", but most of their "toys" are of newer years. I personally know a few members of the club, that have extensive collections of automobiles, and have them for the pleasure of the cars, and not as "status symbols".
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Me too but I doubt this car gets any less attention and I'll bet anyone that actually
knowswhat the car is practically kremes their paints when they see it especially as they'd probably lock up and high tail it after the 53 thinking they were gonna get it off the old man for $600 and 3 part chewed toffees![/quote]
It is my contention, that to the average person seeing this car, including old car enthusiasts, except Cadillac enthusiasts, really don't know the significance and importance of this car, which by the way is the reason for my feelings about this car. If it was a just a Series 62 convertible, I probably wouldn't even bother to respond to this post. I see '53 Eldo as one of the most important models in Cadillac's history.
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Well you've answered your own question. It is just as imprtant for this car to be preserved the way it is as it is to have a fully done show car or a stunning original - were the time to come that many 53 Eldo's were to be gathered in the same place - lets say the 75th anniversary of the car imagine how people would swoon over the black car and remembering what it was like to find them in that condition 'back in the day'!
It would be a real treat amongst a load of (still great) multi-million dollar auto's!
I do not know jay leno,and of course,there are some big bucks guy's who love and know the cars,but,I have known a large number of them who just jumped in because it was the thing at the moment,and at the end of the day,if they enjoy it at that level,fine,same with the guy who takes down all the 200 year old trees to build his 28k sq ft house,im sure he will use all that room,and the trees were in the way, for me,I just enjoy survivors,the more original the better,there are photos of my 59 biarritz on the clc gallery and my 10k 70 convert as well,and the 70 would ride better with radials on it,but as long as I own it,the original unyroyals will have to do!
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Well you've answered your own question. It is just as imprtant for this car to be preserved the way it is as it is to have a fully done show car or a stunning original - were the time to come that many 53 Eldo's were to be gathered in the same place - lets say the 75th anniversary of the car imagine how people would swoon over the black car and remembering what it was like to find them in that condition 'back in the day'!
It would be a real treat amongst a load of (still great) multi-million dollar auto's!
The way it is? With all the junk in it?
People swoon over it? I don't think so.
This car fails to meet the purpose of the CLC, as its not being maintained, preserved or restored. Its just being ridden around with nothing being done to it.
Our purpose
We were initially founded to encourage enthusiasts to maintain, preserve, and restore collectible Cadillacs and LaSalles built from 1902-1942. Now the CLC recognizes all vehicles built by Cadillac. We promote the development, collection, publication and exchange of helpful information pertaining to our cars. We also promote social fellowship for club members.
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I just enjoy survivors
Survivor? This car is one step away from being on life support.
Quote,the more original the better,
So considering that this car is a far cry from the way it looked when it left Clark Street, can I assume that you aren't all that thrilled with it?
Sorry,I would enjoy a walk thru a junk yard more than looking at wavy sided 2 stage paint,incorrect interior,"SHOW CARS"but,that's just me,and that's what makes the hobby fun,there is something for everyone,hey,back in 72 at 18,I passed a hemi cuda for a 69 sdv because I loved cadillac's,but,that was,that is ME
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Sorry,I would enjoy a walk thru a junk yard more than looking at wavy sided 2 stage paint,incorrect interior,"SHOW CARS"but,that's just me,and that's what makes the hobby fun,there is something for everyone,hey,back in 72 at 18,I passed a hemi cuda for a 69 sdv because I loved cadillac's,but,that was,that is ME
I think we are covering a few different factors concerning the hobby. I would be the last one to debate about a person's personal tastes, likes and dislikes. To each his own, I say.
My only point is about this particular '53 Eldo. Myself I see the '53 Eldo as "The Holy Grail" of Cadillacs. If all things were to be equal, I would be hard pressed to decide if I had to choose between a V-16 Dual Cowl Phaeton or a '53 Eldo but that's ME. Even though the late 50's Broughams were more rare, and more luxurious, IMHO I think the '53 Eldo were more significant to Cadillac's History. Of course this is in no way a knock on other great models throughout Cadillacs history, again, just my opinion, and after all the only opinion that counts to a person, is their own.
People swoon over it? I don't think so.
I know so fella! Anyone who wouldn't would have their head where the sun don't shine!
It's a great car and great to see it like that as is looking at perfect ones. I like Bill prefer a Diamond in the rough, you on the other feel they should be perfectly restored to better (!) than when they left the factory - it's what makes the world go round! Nite!
Quote from: Stewart Homan on March 27, 2008, 04:07:32 PM
People swoon over it? I don't think so.
I know so fella! Anyone who wouldn't would have their head where the sun don't shine!
It's a great car and great to see it like that as is looking at perfect ones. I like Bill prefer a Diamond in the rough, you on the other feel they should be perfectly restored to better (!) than when they left the factory - it's what makes the world go round! Nite!
Now you see Stewart my friend, no where in all my post did I ever mention that this car should be restored. At best all I said is that it would be nice if a couple of bucks were spent on it, to make it more presentable. I have even stated that I prefer seeing cars in a state of originality as close as the day they left the assembly line. And yes this is Diamond in the rough, a real rough Diamond that should be in the hands of a someone that would take more pride in what they have. Are you obvious to all the great parts that are on this car? Have you priced one of them windshields lately, not to mention the parade boot and all the chrome trim? The overall condition of this important car, does not warrant the way its being displayed and treated. Cinderella's Wicked Step Mother took better care of her. This car is being treated like Snow White was treated by the Wicked Queen.
Quote from: Johnny F #662 on March 27, 2008, 02:59:10 PM
The way it is? With all the junk in it?
People swoon over it? I don't think so.
This car fails to meet the purpose of the CLC, as its not being maintained, preserved or restored. Its just being ridden around with nothing being done to it.
Our purpose
We were initially founded to encourage enthusiasts to maintain, preserve, and restore collectible Cadillacs and LaSalles built from 1902-1942. Now the CLC recognizes all vehicles built by Cadillac. We promote the development, collection, publication and exchange of helpful information pertaining to our cars. We also promote social fellowship for club members.
Gee, I hope the bloke doesn't attempt to join the CLC as it would be a shame to have to deny him membership on the grounds that he isn't caring for his car.
Bruce. >:D
:) I once bought a 1929 Model A Pickup for $150 (and drove it home). This was back in the late 50s or early 60s. I had this truck for over 25 years. The first year, I pulled the engine and had it completely rebuilt and I gradually restored it mechanically. Eventually I worked on the body (took body off) and got it all back together and in primer. Still in primer, I then started to drive the truck back and forth to work and used it as what it was - a pickup truck. Since this was my first pickup, I found all kinds of uses for as truck, even with the very small bed. I drove it everywhere - took it to the golf course, picked up some lumber, hauled trash, took it shopping, and to a couple of local shows. You would be surprised at the nice comments from those seeing a vehicle in that condition. After about 2 years of this, I finally had it professionally repainted in original Rock Moss Green with black fenders (lacquer). It was then so beautiful that I no longer took it to the golf course, shopping, etc. Heck, I couldn't even haul trash anymore. Instead I bought a nice cover and kept it under cover for most of the next 20 years. Come to think of it, this is what I have done with other cars as well - "restored and then too good to drive" - does this sound familiar?
Thinking back, the first two years of enjoyment with the pickup were two of the best years I ever had with any of my antique cars. I really used to enjoy pulling in a gas station (they had attendants back then) and telling the attendant to "fill it up". Then the search began as 9 out of 10 could not find the gas cap (it was in the center of the cowl behind the windshield as most probably know). One time when I took the truck to the golf course, one of my golfing buddies started making fun of the truck and asked how fast it would go. I told him 55 and he bet me $5 that it would not even do 50. So on the way home we checked it out. He was behind me in his new Buick and after I got it up to 52, I pulled off the road and he pulled up behind me and handed me a five, which was quite a bit of money back in the late 50s. He also never made fun of my truck again.
So maybe this guy with the 1953 Eldorado is right and we are wrong ?? He may be doing what secretly we all should consider - enjoying a car and not worrying about trophies. Give him credit - he takes it to a show. He might be a millionaire in disguise with more than ample funds to do a full restoration but prefers to enjoy the car in its present condition. We don't know. However from looking at the pictures of the car, I think back about the antique vehicles that I have owned. The ones that were not perfect and were driven regularly were the ones that I enjoyed most. I am glad that the pictures and story were posted and hope that the owner has many more years of enjoyment driving this car "as-is". And don't worry about the relatives. If this time comes, they will soon figure out the true value of this car and get their just rewards (it won't end up at the crusher either). I also want to invite the owner into our club if he is not already a member. Why not bring it to the GN as well? Tell me that you would not take a good look if he did. Anyone can find and purchase a restored car, but how many of these show up today?
Fred
Picture of my Model A Pickup taken many years ago at a local show - Moderators - feel free to delete picture, as it is not a Cadillac!
Quote from: Stewart Homan on March 27, 2008, 04:07:32 PM
People swoon over it? I don't think so.
I know so fella! Anyone who wouldn't would have their head where the sun don't shine!
It's a great car and great to see it like that as is looking at perfect ones. I like Bill prefer a Diamond in the rough, you on the other feel they should be perfectly restored to better (!) than when they left the factory - it's what makes the world go round! Nite!
Stewart my good friend, you too are misquoting me. I never once suggested that it be restored to better then new. The most I have said is that I think, because of its importance to Cadillac history, it should be displayed better. Through a series of events, this car has gone from being the pinnacle of Cadillacs to being sort of like homeless person on the street in need of help. If the owner has no desire to do anything at all with this car, that's his prerogative. I just would hope he would display it with the dignity it deserves.
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Quote from: Johnny F #662 on March 27, 2008, 02:59:10 PM
The way it is? With all the junk in it?
People swoon over it? I don't think so.
This car fails to meet the purpose of the CLC, as its not being maintained, preserved or restored. Its just being ridden around with nothing being done to it.
Our purpose
We were initially founded to encourage enthusiasts to maintain, preserve, and restore collectible Cadillacs and LaSalles built from 1902-1942. Now the CLC recognizes all vehicles built by Cadillac. We promote the development, collection, publication and exchange of helpful information pertaining to our cars. We also promote social fellowship for club members.
Gee, I hope the bloke doesn't attempt to join the CLC as it would be a shame to have to deny him membership on the grounds that he isn't caring for his car.
Bruce. >:D
You mean much like the modifieds are denied from receiving awards at Grand Nationals?
Quote from: Fred Zwicker #23106 on March 28, 2008, 09:57:24 AM
:) I once bought a 1929 Model A Pickup for $150 (and drove it home). This was back in the late 50s or early 60s. I had this truck for over 25 years. The first year, I pulled the engine and had it completely rebuilt and I gradually restored it mechanically. Eventually I worked on the body (took body off) and got it all back together and in primer. Still in primer, I then started to drive the truck back and forth to work and used it as what it was - a pickup truck. Since this was my first pickup, I found all kinds of uses for as truck, even with the very small bed. I drove it everywhere - took it to the golf course, picked up some lumber, hauled trash, took it shopping, and to a couple of local shows. You would be surprised at the nice comments from those seeing a vehicle in that condition. After about 2 years of this, I finally had it professionally repainted in original Rock Moss Green with black fenders (lacquer). It was then so beautiful that I no longer took it to the golf course, shopping, etc. Heck, I couldn't even haul trash anymore. Instead I bought a nice cover and kept it under cover for most of the next 20 years. Come to think of it, this is what I have done with other cars as well - "restored and then too good to drive" - does this sound familiar?
Thinking back, the first two years of enjoyment with the pickup were two of the best years I ever had with any of my antique cars. I really used to enjoy pulling in a gas station (they had attendants back then) and telling the attendant to "fill it up". Then the search began as 9 out of 10 could not find the gas cap (it was in the center of the cowl behind the windshield as most probably know). One time when I took the truck to the golf course, one of my golfing buddies started making fun of the truck and asked how fast it would go. I told him 55 and he bet me $5 that it would not even do 50. So on the way home we checked it out. He was behind me in his new Buick and after I got it up to 52, I pulled off the road and he pulled up behind me and handed me a five, which was quite a bit of money back in the late 50s. He also never made fun of my truck again.
So maybe this guy with the 1953 Eldorado is right and we are wrong ?? He may be doing what secretly we all should consider - enjoying a car and not worrying about trophies. Give him credit - he takes it to a show. He might be a millionaire in disguise with more than ample funds to do a full restoration but prefers to enjoy the car in its present condition. We don't know. However from looking at the pictures of the car, I think back about the antique vehicles that I have owned. The ones that were not perfect and were driven regularly were the ones that I enjoyed most. I am glad that the pictures and story were posted and hope that the owner has many more years of enjoyment driving this car "as-is". And don't worry about the relatives. If this time comes, they will soon figure out the true value of this car and get their just rewards (it won't end up at the crusher either). I also want to invite the owner into our club if he is not already a member. Why not bring it to the GN as well? Tell me that you would not take a good look if he did. Anyone can find and purchase a restored car, but how many of these show up today?
Fred
Picture of my Model A Pickup taken many years ago at a local show - Moderators - feel free to delete picture, as it is not a Cadillac!
First of all I don't think there is any right or wrong with this car. I can't speak for others, but as far as I am concerned, I am merely voicing my opinion of the car and the way its being displayed. The fact is that none of us know the owner, nor his intentions, both now and later, for the car.
While your story was interesting, it really isn't apples with apples. To begin with, while they were both old cars, I think most would agree their is a vast difference between a '29 Ford pickup and a '53 Eldo, least of all the age difference. When you got the pickup, it was 30 years old, this Eldo is now 55 years old.
;D I just spent three years and a lot of money fixing the rust holes and the motor in in my car . Why do any of us ever restore these cars ? It is better to watch them rust away
and get all nostalgic because that is what they looked like years ago . I see now I should have left it in "original" condition .
Do they have an "original , looks like someone is living in it " award at at the GN this car would win . Got to agree with Johnny , it is an important car
and if the guy likes it the way it is , great , but would be nice to see it cared for a little more .
Robert
Ahah! But we did. In fact, I thought at first this was the same car the other Past Presidents and I judged at the 1990 GN. Except the grill on this one is much better. We awarded the "middle" year catagory to a black 1953 Cadillac Eldorado that was all original, including tatty top as one of the best "original" Cadillac/LaSalles at the meet. Parts of the grill were almost black from the Korean War chrome, the interior, while not trash covered was not the best. Only one (the RF I believe) fender had been repainted. Otherwise, the car was all original and being totally enjoyed by the owner. (And, it also attracted a lot of attention!)
We have also given an original award to a yellow CDV with a big crease down the RH door. A car does not have to be a "perfect" original to win this preservation award.
The fact that we still do have nearly perfect cars is simply amazing, and attending to these cars at the GN is one of the best perks of the "job" of being a senior statesman.
2 things.
1. Even thinking that this car will be crushed is just SILLY. you're being silly. Do you understand that? ::)
2. Seeing the picture of this car did not make me sad. Reading this post did. It also made me LOL.
03-29-08
To, oweners of, USED,ABUSED and MISUSED Cadillacs and La Salles, good thing that club members didn't see my 1938 La Salle while I was useing it as a daily-driver. I just didn't have the money to restore the car. I obtained the car in Oct 1967 and got it out of the Uphostery Shop in AUG 2007.(40 years is not that long,is it? If you're having fun!) I still have the bumpers and hadelight lens to install. I still have thing I need to do to get it road-ready.
I stand corrected Barry . I am glad to here that these cars can still receive awards they deserve . I still think it would be nice to see
the car being at least washed , cleaned out and polished . Maybe it is part of the thrill for the owner to be able to show us that he can own such a car
and not have to bother looking after it . Each to their own .
Robert
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Hey folks, look what I just picked up for pocket change,
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Hey folks, look what I just picked up for pocket change,
04-05-08
Wild willy, could you post a pitcure of what you got fpr "pocket change" I only received a "RED-X in a box. a discription will do.
Good Luck,JIM
It's threads like this one that make me reconsider "re-joining" the CLC and attending the GN this summer in NJ. After the "experience" I had in Detroit 2002 I swore never again. Now I'm starting to remember why I left Michigan feeling the way I did...
Quote from: LBF on April 07, 2008, 10:45:17 PM
It's threads like this one that make me reconsider "re-joining" the CLC and attending the GN this summer in NJ. After the "experience" I had in Detroit 2002 I swore never again. Now I'm starting to remember why I left Michigan feeling the way I did...
What happened in Detroit in 2002?
Fred
Quote from: homeonprunehill on April 05, 2008, 08:56:28 PM
Quote from: Wild Willy on April 04, 2008, 11:02:18 PM
(http://a2j_a2j_me%20and%20eldo.jpg)
Hey folks, look what I just picked up for pocket change,
04-05-08
Wild willy, could you post a pitcure of what you got fpr "pocket change" I only received a "RED-X in a box. a discription will do.
Good Luck,JIM
Ironically, I attended a car show, and what to my wondering eyes should appear, but the Eldo that is the topic of this thread! I took a series of pictures of the car, and was able to get the detail of the interior. I will not "beat a dead horse" by bringing up the lack of concern for this car by the owner. Suffice it to say, that he uses the interior of the car to haul around his gas can and spare parts.
Before anyone jumps all over me for having different screen names, through a series of mistakes made by me, I had to re register. Eventually I was able to come back as Johnny..........
Quote from: Johnny on April 10, 2008, 09:41:56 PM
Before anyone jumps all over me for having different screen names, through a series of mistakes made by me, I had to re register. Eventually I was able to come back as Johnny..........
So, reinCARnated or Partially Restored?
Would you like to be totally Restored?
Could possible arrange a "frame-off" but that might hurt too much, and probably wouldn't get you all back together as you were. Always have bits left over.
Bruce. >:D
Quote from: The Tassie Devil(le) on April 10, 2008, 10:23:02 PM
Quote from: Johnny on April 10, 2008, 09:41:56 PM
Before anyone jumps all over me for having different screen names, through a series of mistakes made by me, I had to re register. Eventually I was able to come back as Johnny..........
So, reinCARnated or Partially Restored?
Would you like to be totally Restored?
Could possible arrange a "frame-off" but that might hurt too much, and probably wouldn't get you all back together as you were. Always have bits left over.
Bruce. >:D
If you are able to restore me, could you get me a new power brake booster, my wife would be eternally grateful to you............... >:D >:D
I just felt obligated to add my two cents to this discussion since just about everyone else in the known universe has.
I love old cars - all old cars. I get a thrill seeing them in any condition at any time. When I see an old car in this condition drive by I am immensely gratified that I got a chance to see it and, more importantly, that the owner is using it for it's intended purpose and presumably enjoying it.
Someone in this thread claimed it was being abused or neglected or "not maintained or preserved". The mere fact that it is being driven and seen by others is evidence enough of its preservation. In fact, the original poster stated it's the only one he's ever seen in real life. He wouldn't have gotten that opportunity if this man didn't appreciate the vehicle enough to take it out to a local show. If it had a $100,000 restoration, you would have to go to Pebble beech to see it and pay a few hundred dollars for the privilege.
I go to a local monthly car show north of Atlanta and there is an elderly man there with a magnificent 1937 Cord. He restored it himself and he drives it around. Most people think he's nuts but I love seeing cars like that on the road. Another guy near me, Don Peterson ( former editor of Car Collector magazine) owns one of 6 existing 1929 Packard 734 speedsters. He drives it around town to the store, etc. He's also taken it on tours of several thousand miles. He likes to say he's "the only poor man who owns one". He enjoys it for what it is - a car.
It's wonderful to see these ultra rare vehicles in their natural habitat.
I certainly wouldn't haul gas cans in the back seat but so what? It's his car and he can enjoy it as he pleases. I drive my '56 CDV as my daily driver. It's my only car. I don't own or want a new car (anything built after '72). I can't afford to have it totally restored but I do the best I can with what I have.
Anyway, there's no way that Eldorado will end up in the crusher unless it's demolished in wreck. No junkman would crush that car even if he unaware of it's real significance or value.
The poster says the owner will never sell at any price and that it's in a condition he could afford. Assuming there is no hidden rust issue or other problems not visible in the photos, that car could easily command $100,000 price tag or more.
I hope the current owner keeps driving it so that more people can see what a real car is and what they used to be. It gives me enjoyment just knowing it's out there.
Forrest Ward
Quote from: otto skorzeny on April 12, 2008, 09:45:44 AM
I just felt obligated to add my two cents to this discussion since just about everyone else in the known universe has.
I love old cars - all old cars. I get a thrill seeing them in any condition at any time. When I see an old car in this condition drive by I am immensely gratified that I got a chance to see it and, more importantly, that the owner is using it for it's intended purpose and presumably enjoying it.
Someone in this thread claimed it was being abused or neglected or "not maintained or preserved". The mere fact that it is being driven and seen by others is evidence enough of its preservation. In fact, the original poster stated it's the only one he's ever seen in real life. He wouldn't have gotten that opportunity if this man didn't appreciate the vehicle enough to take it out to a local show. If it had a $100,000 restoration, you would have to go to Pebble beech to see it and pay a few hundred dollars for the privilege.
I go to a local monthly car show north of Atlanta and there is an elderly man there with a magnificent 1937 Cord. He restored it himself and he drives it around. Most people think he's nuts but I love seeing cars like that on the road. Another guy near me, Don Peterson ( former editor of Car Collector magazine) owns one of 6 existing 1929 Packard 734 speedsters. He drives it around town to the store, etc. He's also taken it on tours of several thousand miles. He likes to say he's "the only poor man who owns one". He enjoys it for what it is - a car.
It's wonderful to see these ultra rare vehicles in their natural habitat.
I certainly wouldn't haul gas cans in the back seat but so what? It's his car and he can enjoy it as he pleases. I drive my '56 CDV as my daily driver. It's my only car. I don't own or want a new car (anything built after '72). I can't afford to have it totally restored but I do the best I can with what I have.
Anyway, there's no way that Eldorado will end up in the crusher unless it's demolished in wreck. No junkman would crush that car even if he unaware of it's real significance or value.
The poster says the owner will never sell at any price and that it's in a condition he could afford. Assuming there is no hidden rust issue or other problems not visible in the photos, that car could easily command $100,000 price tag or more.
I hope the current owner keeps driving it so that more people can see what a real car is and what they used to be. It gives me enjoyment just knowing it's out there.
Forrest Ward
Here is the flaw in your reasoning. You like many others here that defend the owner and the way the owner is treating this car, do make a valid point concerning that the car is being used as intended and being driven. I can go as far as even understanding that some like to see original cars no matter what the condition. When I first started posting, nowhere did I suggest that the owner sell his first born, to restore the car to be a trailer queen. All I was trying to say was that I think a car of this importance should be given some better respect. By a strange twist of fate, shortly after this thread began, I happen to see this car, up close and personal, and was further sadden by what I saw. Sure the owner is entitled to do what ever chooses to do with the car. If he wants to haul chickens in the car while conducting dog fights, that is his business. Not that it happen, but if this car is any indication of the owner, I not only wouldn't accept a dinner invitation from him, but really wouldn't care to know him! Harsh? Probably. But its all done to me having a proper admiration for cars, and self respect. I find nothing eccentric about someone that uses a '53 Eldo for hauling junk!
Lighten up Johnny. Who appointed you arbiter of what constitutes "proper admiration for automobiles"?
If cars have souls, that '53 is enjoying life more than any trailer queen.
I also think that crack about the owner and a dinner invitation was uncalled for and mean. With that kind of attitude that you will never own that car or one like it. Somebody apparently thought enough of this man to leave him a $100,000 car in his will. The person he invites to dinner tonight might just end up being the next owner.
Quote from: otto skorzeny on April 12, 2008, 01:12:50 PM
Lighten up Johnny. Who appointed you arbiter of what constitutes "proper admiration for automobiles"?
Again I am being misunderstood, I am only exercising my constitutional right of free speech, nothing more.
QuoteIf cars have souls, that '53 is enjoying life more than any trailer queen.
Surely you jest. It that car had a soul, and in its present condition it would be condemned to the eternal fires of Hell! >:D >:D
QuoteI also think that crack about the owner and a dinner invitation was uncalled for and mean.
I do plead to being guilty of being germophobic.
QuoteWith that kind of attitude that you will never own that car or one like it.
Sir, its money, not attitude that allows people the pleasure of purchasing cars or most other things in life.
QuoteSomebody apparently thought enough of this man to leave him a $100,000 car in his will.
Correction, while in its present state it is quite valuable, I don't think it's close to six figures. Of course I will commend the individual for thinking more of his fellow man, then a valuable piece of history.
QuoteThe person he invites to dinner tonight might just end up being the next owner.
I would assume that the owner, because of what was reported what he said about money and the car, will keep the car forever, and most likely pass it on to someone that show even less respect for the car then he is, assuming that he doesn't scrap the car in the meantime.
Today, I saw an even rarer car in it's original, unrestored, and un-washed state. It was one that the owner played "car-driver" in when he was a kid when it was sitting un-used in a family barn, and it hasn't changed all that much since, being in dry storage for years and years. It is an early 1920s Packard phaeton with a Pullman body. The owner is wondering whether to restore the car or not. It has so many memories for him "just the way it is." He has enough restored cars to last anyone a lifetime. And, perhaps the most original Duesenberg in existence. So, I personally hope that he leaves the car just the way it is. I even waited till everyone else left that area and just stood, looked, and enjoyed this spotted derelict sitting under a thick coating of dust for another five minutes all by myself. (Pullman didn't use as good a primer as Packard, as the hood still has shiny paint, and the rest of the body is flecked all over down to bare metal.) The top is all original and in good shape. Just a completly wonderful and original piece of history.
Similarly, there was an original fire truck, red paint almost faded to black, but it is an encyclopedia of how engines of the era were striped and gilded, perhaps the only one left in the world that original. If it were restored, it would only be another shiny red fire engine that someone had thrown money at. The way it is, it is totally unique. Sitting at a ninety degree angle to it, was a fresh restoration unit Ahrens-Fox, backed in only this week. I happened to see a small nick on a black painted screw head. That was done by carelessness within days or weeks of this day. Any damage to the original engine was done while it was a working piece of equipment, over three quarters of a century ago. Just some thoughts about originality...
Fun day despite rain and forty degree weather.
I really hope the less than favorable comments about this 53 and the owner are meant to be funny. A 53 Eldorado is at the top of my wishlist, but I don't understand why the owner is being raked over the coals for how he chooses to enjoy his car. I for one had rather look at this car than the best trailer queen out there. Maybe this is all a joke that I'm not getting. I seriously doubt the car will be scrapped ! Maybe a little jealousy peeking through !
I would be curious as to what the detractors of this eldo have in their own garages?
Quote from: Barry on April 12, 2008, 09:19:31 PM
I really hope the less than favorable comments about this 53 and the owner are meant to be funny. A 53 Eldorado is at the top of my wishlist, but I don't understand why the owner is being raked over the coals for how he chooses to enjoy his car. I for one had rather look at this car than the best trailer queen out there. Maybe this is all a joke that I'm not getting. I seriously doubt the car will be scrapped ! Maybe a little jealousy peeking through !
With my comments I am as serious as a heart attack. If he chooses to enjoy his car by hauling around junk, then so be it.
Quote from: wrefakis on April 12, 2008, 11:46:33 PM
I would be curious as to what the detractors of this eldo have in their own garages?
85 Eldorado, that I ordered and purchased new, with 28,000 miles on it. Except for the battery, tires and antennae all original as the day it left the factory.
With all due respect to 85 Eldorado owners; if I was out and saw an 85 Eldorado (28 000 miles or not) parked beside that particular 53 Eldorado, I am pretty sure I would walk past the 85 to look at the 53.
Quote from: Quentin on April 13, 2008, 05:26:31 AM
With all due respect to 85 Eldorado owners; if I was out and saw an 85 Eldorado (28 000 miles or not) parked beside that particular 53 Eldorado, I am pretty sure I would walk past the 85 to look at the 53.
04-13-08
Quentin, Amen (to that)
Good Luck,JIM
Quote from: Fred Zwicker #23106 on April 08, 2008, 09:06:31 AM
Quote from: LBF on April 07, 2008, 10:45:17 PM
It's threads like this one that make me reconsider "re-joining" the CLC and attending the GN this summer in NJ. After the "experience" I had in Detroit 2002 I swore never again. Now I'm starting to remember why I left Michigan feeling the way I did...
What happened in Detroit in 2002?
Fred
The negative "attitudes" expressed in this thread are mostly "what happened" in Detroit. I have detailed my experiences with the judging process in previous posts so I won't go into that again. And most of that was simply due to inexperience on my part. However, as a young person who was pretty "new" to the whole process I experienced a little bit of this arrogance directed towards me back in 2002. I'm not completely put off yet, but I do certainly have other choices for my $$$ than the CLC. Being a little older and wiser, I generally put up with a lot less than I used to. How many people here have driven one of their cars over 7000 miles in one year - through 10 states? That was me in 2002, in my '66 Superior Cadillac. I plan on bringing the same car to Cherry Hill this year - and not a lot has been done to it since 2002. I guess that means I'm not worthy of owning it anymore.
Quote from: LBF on April 13, 2008, 09:22:27 PM
The negative "attitudes" expressed in this thread are mostly "what happened" in Detroit. I have detailed my experiences with the judging process in previous posts so I won't go into that again. And most of that was simply due to inexperience on my part. However, as a young person who was pretty "new" to the whole process I experienced a little bit of this arrogance directed towards me back in 2002. I'm not completely put off yet, but I do certainly have other choices for my $$$ than the CLC. Being a little older and wiser, I generally put up with a lot less than I used to. How many people here have driven one of their cars over 7000 miles in one year - through 10 states? That was me in 2002, in my '66 Superior Cadillac. I plan on bringing the same car to Cherry Hill this year - and not a lot has been done to it since 2002. I guess that means I'm not worthy of owning it anymore.
2002 was my first Cadillac & LaSalle GN as well, but as I had been to a number of other "Vehicle" National Events here in Australia, I was aware of things that go on.
I wished that I could have done it all again, and taken twice as long doing it all, and appreciating it more.
As I didn't have a vehicle in the "Show-field" I was simply roaming around, taking pictures and just "blending in".
I can assure you that 2008 will be different, for me anyway, even if it is just because I will be having a car on the show field.
Hopefully, we all will have more fun.
Bruce. >:D
Quote from: Quentin on April 13, 2008, 05:26:31 AM
With all due respect to 85 Eldorado owners; if I was out and saw an 85 Eldorado (28 000 miles or not) parked beside that particular 53 Eldorado, I am pretty sure I would walk past the 85 to look at the 53.
As would I, but then I would be heart broken to see the way the 53 Eldo was being treated.
Quote from: LBF on April 13, 2008, 09:22:27 PM
Quote from: Fred Zwicker #23106 on April 08, 2008, 09:06:31 AM
Quote from: LBF on April 07, 2008, 10:45:17 PM
It's threads like this one that make me reconsider "re-joining" the CLC and attending the GN this summer in NJ. After the "experience" I had in Detroit 2002 I swore never again. Now I'm starting to remember why I left Michigan feeling the way I did...
What happened in Detroit in 2002?
Fred
The negative "attitudes" expressed in this thread are mostly "what happened" in Detroit. I have detailed my experiences with the judging process in previous posts so I won't go into that again. And most of that was simply due to inexperience on my part. However, as a young person who was pretty "new" to the whole process I experienced a little bit of this arrogance directed towards me back in 2002. I'm not completely put off yet, but I do certainly have other choices for my $$$ than the CLC. Being a little older and wiser, I generally put up with a lot less than I used to. How many people here have driven one of their cars over 7000 miles in one year - through 10 states? That was me in 2002, in my '66 Superior Cadillac. I plan on bringing the same car to Cherry Hill this year - and not a lot has been done to it since 2002. I guess that means I'm not worthy of owning it anymore.
What negative attitudes. I see a frank and honest discussion, debate if you will, concerning the present state of one of the most important cars in Cadillacs history. Sure my comments might have been abrasive and harsh at times, but its the way I feel. Doesn't mean I am right, but merely my opinion on the topic, which by the way I didn't start.
I think you are being somewhat overly critical of the club. I have been a member for almost 30 years and have for the most part, met really great people and have many pleasant memories connected with the club. As in any organization, either social or work, there is always people that rub us the wrong way, but that's usually a small minority. I would also suggest to you that the judging process, is a pain in the rear to many members, and many just don't want to get involved with it.
Sure. I guess we're all entitled to tell someone else what they should do with their car - That, and insult them.
Quote from: LBF on April 14, 2008, 12:24:24 AM
Sure. I guess we're all entitled to tell someone else what they should do with their car - That, and insult them.
Whoa there sport!!!!!! Who told the owner what they should do with their car, or insulted him? As far as I know all comments about the car have been limited to this board, and unless the owner is a member of the board, which I seriously doubt, because since he has shown no interest in his car, I doubt he has any interest in this board.
Quote from: Quentin on April 13, 2008, 05:26:31 AM
With all due respect to 85 Eldorado owners; if I was out and saw an 85 Eldorado (28 000 miles or not) parked beside that particular 53 Eldorado, I am pretty sure I would walk past the 85 to look at the 53.
I might walk past the '85 to look at the '53 because it's so much rarer, but I think the '79-'85 Eldorados are every bit as good looking and one of the most handsome Cadillacs ever made.
The german and japanese auto makers loved them as well,as a full time dealer from back then,I owned 100's of them,they were so bad at the manheim auctions(worlds largest) all ht4100 cadillacs had to be sold as-is with regards to engine knocks,yep,standard of the world,and if you have a rap in the engine on a 2 year old car,you own it!!! I remember them well,when I first started back in 70,you could always trust a 2 year old cadillac to run strong,and let's not forget the chop top 'BIARRITZ' convertible,so solid a car ,that when I pushed down on the quarter panel with my hand,the door to quarter gap widened ,the smooth running V-6,same deal with knocks on that one,and last,my personal love,the diesel,blew my 80 sky-high on a run to parkersburgh,w va running down a 66 sedan de-ville in 83,but,then,it did have 49k on it. Back in 53,that old line,standard of the world 'had a lot more to it,and the 53 owner is keeping the car as he aquired it,much as the owner who buys a new car,and tries to keep it as he purcxhased it.
Quote from: Johnny on April 14, 2008, 08:15:48 AM
Quote from: LBF on April 14, 2008, 12:24:24 AM
Sure. I guess we're all entitled to tell someone else what they should do with their car - That, and insult them.
Whoa there sport!!!!!! Who told the owner what they should do with their car, or insulted him? As far as I know all comments about the car have been limited to this board, and unless the owner is a member of the board, which I seriously doubt, because since he has shown no interest in his car, I doubt he has any interest in this board.
Yep, there you go again. So, it's OK then to insult someone who does not visit this board? Nice. "Since he has shown no interest in his car" is a pretty heavy hit, don't you think?
Quote from: wrefakis on April 14, 2008, 10:31:56 AM
The german and japanese auto makers loved them as well,as a full time dealer from back then,I owned 100's of them,they were so bad at the manheim auctions(worlds largest) all ht4100 cadillacs had to be sold as-is with regards to engine knocks,yep,standard of the world,and if you have a rap in the engine on a 2 year old car,you own it!!! I remember them well,when I first started back in 70,you could always trust a 2 year old cadillac to run strong,and let's not forget the chop top 'BIARRITZ' convertible,so solid a car ,that when I pushed down on the quarter panel with my hand,the door to quarter gap widened ,the smooth running V-6,same deal with knocks on that one,and last,my personal love,the diesel,blew my 80 sky-high on a run to parkersburgh,w va running down a 66 sedan de-ville in 83,but,then,it did have 49k on it. Back in 53,that old line,standard of the world 'had a lot more to it,and the 53 owner is keeping the car as he aquired it,much as the owner who buys a new car,and tries to keep it as he purcxhased it.
You'll notice I didn't say anything about the '79-'85 Eldorados except their styling. I'm aware of the mechanical and electronic woes of their various engines. In fact, someone recently told me that he wanted to buy one of them, knew about the HT4100's and asked for advice. I told him the best choice would probably be a V8-6-4 whose cylinder deactivation system works well enough to live with or had been disabled or one with the regular 368 or Olds 350, despite the Bendix analog FI system. Cadillac, like every other car manufacturer has had some engineering and manufacturing missteps. Overally, I'd say they were fewer than average overall and much greater than average in the '80's with the V8-6-4, diesel, and HT4100. An example from one of Cadillac's greatest decades, the '50's: My aunt and uncle bought a new '55 Fleetwood and very shortly afterwards, the engine began to knock. When it was torn down, the oil passages were found to be partially clogged due to improper casting and cleaning at the foundry.
My remarks on the mechanical issues with these cars are a product of ownership experience,84 coupe bought new,knocking in cam at 20k,pellets in engine to prevent oil and water mix,and so on,the bad 55 was a defect,sold a brand new 79 lincoln mark V( yes,in the 70's I was a lincoln dealer,and still drove a cadillac) with a 400 cid that blew a rod at 405 miles,but that was the exception,not the rule,chart the sales decline from 78 down thru the 80's,numbers do not lie
Quote from: LBF on April 15, 2008, 03:08:46 AM
Quote from: Johnny on April 14, 2008, 08:15:48 AM
Quote from: LBF on April 14, 2008, 12:24:24 AM
Sure. I guess we're all entitled to tell someone else what they should do with their car - That, and insult them.
Whoa there sport!!!!!! Who told the owner what they should do with their car, or insulted him? As far as I know all comments about the car have been limited to this board, and unless the owner is a member of the board, which I seriously doubt, because since he has shown no interest in his car, I doubt he has any interest in this board.
Yep, there you go again. So, it's OK then to insult someone who does not visit this board? Nice. "Since he has shown no interest in his car" is a pretty heavy hit, don't you think?
I don't think stating a personal opinion is insulting someone. If you had the chance to see the car up front and personal such as I did, you might somewhat change your mind.
Quote from: Johnny on April 18, 2008, 08:28:14 PM
I don't think stating a personal opinion is insulting someone. If you had the chance to see the car up front and personal such as I did, you might somewhat change your mind.
If I saw something like that, I would be approaching the owner in an attempt to make friends with him, and then make a few subliminal suggestions as to what a rare vehicle he is in possession of, and encourage him to think about joining the CLC, and the Regional Chapter.
You never know, he just might like what he learns, and become another valued member.
Not everyone knows of specific car clubs in their area.
Bruce. >:D
Quote from: The Tassie Devil(le) on April 18, 2008, 11:41:14 PM
Quote from: Johnny on April 18, 2008, 08:28:14 PM
I don't think stating a personal opinion is insulting someone. If you had the chance to see the car up front and personal such as I did, you might somewhat change your mind.
If I saw something like that, I would be approaching the owner in an attempt to make friends with him, and then make a few subliminal suggestions as to what a rare vehicle he is in possession of, and encourage him to think about joining the CLC, and the Regional Chapter.
You never know, he just might like what he learns, and become another valued member.
Not everyone knows of specific car clubs in their area.
Bruce. >:D
I would have liked to talk to the owner to get more insight as to his feelings about the car, and how much he knows about the significance of this particular model. He must have come to the show late as the car wasn't parked in the general area of the show, and it was registered for the show.
well, I DID meet the owner. Very nice guy. He knows alot about 53 Cadillacs, down to the number of spokes on the Kelsey hayes wire wheels vs the number of spokes on the replica wire wheels on my 53. (I have a set of K-H wheels in my garage). He knows what he has, it has sentimental value, and he likes it the way it is. I just have mixed feelings about the car. I love seeing it, but kind of wish it were slightly better shape. I don't wish it were restored, but maintained a little better, that's all. I too have concerns of it 'just dissapearing', or ending up in a private collection one day with a $200k restoration.
You see, my 53 is a 10 footer. I drive it whenever I can. To the grocery store, to get Ice Cream, to go to Home Depot. I enjoy driving it. It has a scratch here, a missing piece of interior there...but she's road worthy, and I'm not scared to get her dirty. That's what it's all about to me. It's nice seeing trailer queens, but that's not my style.
The owner is a nice guy, and maybe one day soon, I'll call him and meet up with him and get to know him better. Till then, I am like most members here, conflicted. Apparently, I don't feel so bad about it becuase I am not the only one. I think it's safe to assume that most of us here agree on this.
There is no "right or wrong" on this issue. It is what it is.
Charles
Quote from: Charles on April 20, 2008, 03:53:01 AM
well, I DID meet the owner. Very nice guy. He knows a lot about 53 Cadillacs, down to the number of spokes on the Kelsey Hayes wire wheels vs the number of spokes on the replica wire wheels on my 53. (I have a set of K-H wheels in my garage). He knows what he has, it has sentimental value, and he likes it the way it is. I just have mixed feelings about the car. I love seeing it, but kind of wish it were slightly better shape. I don't wish it were restored, but maintained a little better, that's all. I too have concerns of it 'just disappearing', or ending up in a private collection one day with a $200k restoration.
You see, my 53 is a 10 footer. I drive it whenever I can. To the grocery store, to get Ice Cream, to go to Home Depot. I enjoy driving it. It has a scratch here, a missing piece of interior there...but she's road worthy, and I'm not scared to get her dirty. That's what it's all about to me. It's nice seeing trailer queens, but that's not my style.
The owner is a nice guy, and maybe one day soon, I'll call him and meet up with him and get to know him better. Till then, I am like most members here, conflicted. Apparently, I don't feel so bad about it because I am not the only one. I think it's safe to assume that most of us here agree on this.
There is no "right or wrong" on this issue. It is what it is.
Charles
Charles,
You more or less reflect my feelings about the issue. I have no problem with the car not being restored, I just don't understand why he displays the car with all the junk in the front and the back. I would think if he had sentimental value with the car, he would take the time to clean it up a bit.
Here here Johnny , I couldn't agree more . You do seem to have a way of bringing out a bit of animosity in others on this forum .
What is wrong with a desire to see the car at least tidied up a little . I don't understand why people are jumping on you for what is essentially just your opinion.
Robert
Quote from: Robert 1 on April 20, 2008, 07:58:15 AM
Here here Johnny , I couldn't agree more . You do seem to have a way of bringing out a bit of animosity in others on this forum .
What is wrong with a desire to see the car at least tidied up a little . I don't understand why people are jumping on you for what is essentially just your opinion.
Robert
Robert.......One of the biggest problems in message boards, is that they can not accurately convey the emotions that are motivating their posts. Some here, have chose to think I was being insulting and highly critical of the owner. Nothing could be further from the truth. All I was simply doing was voicing my thoughts and opinions and why I feel the way I do. I would never be so arrogant as to think that I am the supreme authority on this subject or any other. I sincerely think that if all the posters were sitting around a table with some pizza and their favorite beverage's, we would have a exciting and fun time debating this car. We must all keep in mind, that while this board can be an invaluable source of information for all of us, its primary purpose is "entertainment purposes only".
Its amazing how many responses this thread has. It really gets people to see a ratty example of a great car. I will add my own because I love a nice 53 Eldorado, even with some patina. I think this is a great car. It looks like it actually made it to the show under its own power and it probably gives its owner lots of pleasure. That's what owning these cars is about. While it looks dull and used, it appears that its not being eaten out by rust that has been left unattended. To me, the saddest thing is seeing a great road car like a Cadillac on a trailer of any kind unless it is broken down. The whole point of going a long distance to a car show is proving that your classic is in well enough tune to have made it there. If it was me, I would probably scrape and save till it was in better shape, but you have to admire the rugged individualist who uses a car like that hard and puts it away wet.
There is a club that specializes in firing off old Revoultionary War muskets. Those guys may be a little crazy, but they sure are cooler than the collectors who would never fire their prized paperweights.
Ladies and Gentlemen, One and all,
I have locked up this thread as the name-calling has started again, and as this hasn't anything good to do with the CLC, the name calling that is, this move is warranted.
Bruce Reynolds,
Administrator.
PS. The offending last three postings have been removed.