I always thought Cadillac should go head to head with RR and not Mercedes.
With that in mind here,s one styling thought. The Caddy matches the size of the rolls
What say you?.........
Quote from: Stewart Homan on November 19, 2008, 08:11:05 AM
I always thought Cadillac should go head to head with RR and not Mercedes.
With that in mind here,s one styling thought. The Caddy matches the size of the rolls
What say you?.........
I like your drawing. It's a better looking car than they make anywhere today. You should patent it. When Rolls Royce starts making trucks, then they could compare better with Cadillac!!
Quote from: jaxops on November 19, 2008, 08:20:17 AM
I like your drawing. It's a better looking car than they make anywhere today. You should patent it. When Rolls Royce starts making trucks, then they could compare better with Cadillac!!
Of course, we'd be happy to coachbuild one of these beauty's if so desired...
the rim is 22" the white insert is painted, It could be any color............
also lower trim and bumpers are polished stainless over urethane
Quote from: Stewart Homan on November 19, 2008, 08:11:05 AM
I always thought Cadillac should go head to head with RR and not Mercedes.
With that in mind here,s one styling thought. The Caddy matches the size of the rolls
What say you?.........
In todays market? Forget about it. They can just about keep up with Lexus and Infiniti. There was a time when they would be more popular then Mercedes, and were basically the same price, but when Americans started buying the imports, the Mercedes was the luxury car of choice.
Rolls Royce? Never. The Rolls Royce is in a class by itself, not counting the super luxious sport cars, and the Maybach.
Back in the stone age (that's the '50's for you younger readers) nothing could
touch Cadillac as the car to own for the rich and famous -- even in Europe.
I have a picture of King Leopold of Belgium with his daughter the princess
posing in a new 1955 Eldorado they just purchased. I have many more of
top Hollywood celebs.
Sadly, I'm afraid those days are now behind us and once you're dethroned,
it's hard to climb back up there. As the previous post said -- forget about
ever competing with Rolls Royce, Bentley or their kind. When I was in Europe
for the GE in June, I talked with a gent who drove a new Bentley sport convertible
to the meet. He told me the option package was $60K alone. (That's on top
of the $250K for the car). He wasn't bragging, just a nice guy and fellow
car nut.
How many of those do you think they would sell here if Cadillac ever went that
route? How many XLR's did they sell?
Mike
What we mean is head to head in stature not price, Cadillac engines are as good, Cadillac suspension,brakes steering etc are as good. It just needs thoughtful design and build quality. I know I worked on Rolls Royce motor cars for eight years and they ain,t better than Cadillac. In fact Cadillac could stand with all the European high dollar brands, it,s just you guys( the collective domestic car buying public) that have lost your loyalty to the marque.
It will not come back now they are to deep in the mire . When I said go for RR I meant again the target audience, instead of trying to look like a Stuttgart wedge.
Anyway it was just to create some thought!!...............
I've personally only owned Cadillac's, but the guy I know I've mentioned before who's been in the same car lot for over 50 years had everything from Pinto's to Rolls Royce's and still prefers the Cadillac so does his wife, he said the Rolls was a nice novelty but not worth the money and he can afford any car. I've seen Rolls Royce's on eBay for around $25,000 that look pretty nice, you could buy a Rolls for the price of a new Honda or Toyota. I think if I bought a Rolls it would be a novelty that would wear off quick then I'd go back to driving a Cadillac everyday.
I agree with several items mention in the previous posts. It's not just the intrinsic quality, it's the PERCEPTION of quality, status and cache. Mechanically, Cadillac's are in many ways as good as a
Rolls (GM supplied hydramatics to RR for years). However, the fine touches of interiors, trim and most of all in the marketing that supports the image GM failed badly to support the brand.
I can only blame the GM mangement for that. They tried to make a luxury car appeal to a
broad audience and that doesn't work. GM lost touch with the founding principles of Albert
Sloan, who designed the initial concept of GM marketing to "have a car for all levels of need" (paraphrase) -- starting with the Chevy, Pontiac, etc. and moving up to the Cadillac.
We lost that niche -- therefore Cadillac is becoming just another car in a sea of competition
and that's not where we need to be. I hope GM corrects this quickly -- they don't have
much time to regroup.
Mike
Quote from: jaxops on November 19, 2008, 08:20:17 AMYou
I like your drawing. It's a better looking car than they make anywhere today. should patent it. When Rolls Royce starts making trucks, then they could compare better with Cadillac!!
11-19-08
SORRY MEN,IT CAN NOT BE PATENT. Around the turn off the privous century, a man obtained a patent on a car, but, HENRY FORD challend the patent in a court of law and won. Seems like I remember,CADILLOAC and RR entering a test to see once and for all which had the better car CAD won two out of three .Seems like it was the "de WAR" trophy . As for Cad selling HYDROMATICS, to RR. They also sold the the "Saginhaw" steering to RR and if I'M`not mistaken I think the "harrison" A/C system. I remember reading in the SS where the CAD engineers would tell the RR engineers what they had to do in order to be in the same race with CADS. Good Luck,JIM
more doodling
Quote from: jaxops on November 19, 2008, 08:20:17 AM
When Rolls Royce starts making trucks, then they could compare better with Cadillac!!
Meaning that when RR declines as much as Cadillac and has to resort to making trucks to make the payroll, then they can compare!
It's called the Seldon Patent. Google the name George Seldon, or click here:
http://www.bpmlegal.com/wselden.html (http://www.bpmlegal.com/wselden.html)
Road Engine
Patent No. 549,160
Inventor: George Selden, Rochester, New York
Filed: May 8, 1879
Issued: November 5, 1895
This patent represents a forgotten episode in the history of the automobile. The question of who invented the motor car is an open one - Ford, Daimler, Duryea, Cugnot all lay claim to the title of "Father of the Automobile" - but you will seldom hear the name of patent attorney George Selden of Rochester, New York, mentioned.
Selden applied for a patent on the "Road Engine" in 1879. Sensing that the time was not right for a horseless carriage, he delayed issuance of the patent until 1895, by which time a young automobile industry was growing in the USA. Although he had no interest in manufacturing his invention, he was very interested in benefiting from it. Under threat of suit, almost all of the manufacturers took out licenses from Selden, or from the Association of Licensed Automobile Manufacturers (ALAM), to whom he sold the patent. In fact, on most cars built during the next ten or fifteen years you will find a small brass plaque reading "Manufactured under Selden Patent."
not really interested in patents would you drive it if you could buy it.............
I would drive it if I could afford it...
Brian
I was watching some youtube videos last night from England and over their they have Banger Races, kind of like Demo derby heats here except they drive around a dirt track and crash into each other, their were a lot of tiny cars that I wouldn't want to be in getting hit by bicycle, was surprised their also were Cadillac's, Lincoln's, a Rolls Royce and lots of Jags as well. A lot of Limos also, both US cars and Foreign.
Quote from: Eric S. Maypother #15104 on November 20, 2008, 02:39:27 PM
I was watching some youtube videos last night from England and over their they have Banger Races, kind of like Demo derby heats here except they drive around a dirt track and crash into each other, their were a lot of tiny cars that I wouldn't want to be in getting hit by bicycle, was surprised their also were Cadillac's, Lincoln's, a Rolls Royce and lots of Jags as well. A lot of Limos also, both US cars and Foreign.
A shame to see them go that way with good parts on them, but it is also interesting to see how or not they hold up to the crashes.
As an owner of a 1958 Eldorado Brougham (# 590), I know that the EB was touted as costing more than a Rolls Royce in 57 and 58. I think the EB did surpass anything else on the road in terms of luxury at that time. I also think that the Cadillac Sixteen if it had gone into production would have been the luxury "King" able to compete with any luxury car on the road today. Charles D. Barnette
or reintroduce lasalle
the Lasalle would be the 4 door cousin , it would match the phantom in size and stature
Quote from: Stewart Holman on November 19, 2008, 08:11:05 AM
I always thought Cadillac should go head to head with RR and not Mercedes.
With that in mind here,s one styling thought. The Caddy matches the size of the rolls
What say you?.........
Forget about going head to head with RR, Cadillac and the rest of the auto manufacturers better worry about staying in business. After listening to the stupidity and arrogance of the recent hearings, its a wonder they are still in business with their way of thinking!
Quote from: Eric S. Maypother #15104 on November 20, 2008, 02:39:27 PM
I was watching some youtube videos last night from England and over their they have Banger Races, kind of like Demo derby heats here except they drive around a dirt track and crash into each other, their were a lot of tiny cars that I wouldn't want to be in getting hit by bicycle, was surprised their also were Cadillac's, Lincoln's, a Rolls Royce and lots of Jags as well. A lot of Limos also, both US cars and Foreign.
Its a real bone of contention here - they have a couple of big meets every year and some of those guys pay up to $10,000 (I'm not joking!) to get cars to 'race'!
I've also had stuff stolen which has ended up at these races.
As I say, the best we can hope for is that these guys get maimed or worse in their pursuit...