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Title: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: chrisntam on May 22, 2016, 08:12:59 AM
Found this on eBay, by the looks of it, a tree got in the way. 

Kinda sad, otherwise it looks in good shape.

Too bad I'm not rich, retired, know how to weld, have extra room and nothing else to do, I buy and repair it. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-CADILLAC-DEVILLE-PARTS-/152098679196?hash=item2369c9a99c:g:itwAAOSwU1FXQI7d&vxp=mtr

Anything is fixable, but when frames are involved, I generally move on.

Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: Scot Minesinger on May 22, 2016, 10:53:41 AM
I saw this too, better to buy a good one than fix this.  The trans will not last long after repairs more than likely.  I do not have the space or time to mess with this, wish I did though. 

The front of the car uses the frame to anchor the strut rods on front suspension, these obviously were affected and so I would not trust any front suspension parts on this either.  Wondering if this kind of shock broke something in the rive train - if distance between back of engine and rear diff shortened or was shocked, something might have broken.

There are 3k worth of parts retail, so the value of the car is less.
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: James Landi on May 22, 2016, 11:12:04 AM
   
I get the cautionary about the front frame and its importance, but notice that the front fenders are looking "squared up" and judging from the way that massive bumper is bent and the distance between it and the a/c condenser, the rest of the functioning car looks to be ok.   Would be important to yank that hood off and see what, if anything is seriously effected.  Looks like it may be an honest 61K
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on May 22, 2016, 01:16:47 PM
This type of repair is way beyond my level of expertise and my comments are purely observations. But if I had the space and means, I'd store this until I could find a '69 or '70 CDV and go from there. I realize that the convertible frame is different, and that there may indeed be stress related damage to the engine components,

BUT there are many pairs of rose colored glasses out there, and it still is kinda' pretty...
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: Jeff Rose CLC #28373 on May 22, 2016, 02:33:51 PM
Man that thing is pretty. Wish I could have 30 minutes alone with it to get parts...... with that being said, look af the condition. If they were smart it was reasonably well insured. That means the insurance company thought there was enough damage to total it. Are you willing to take on that much of a project?
Again, wish I could have it for parts tbo.
Jeff
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: Bobby B on May 22, 2016, 03:03:25 PM
I'd go in with a 2K offer and see where it goes. Throw it in storage until a parts car with a decent nose comes along. It's a lot of sheet metal damage, but I think once you get it apart it might not be that bad. :-\  Gotta go look at it if you're close by. Bring a Trailer and CASH........
               Bobby
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: Bob Hoffmann CLC#96 on May 22, 2016, 03:04:51 PM
Here's the chance for you mid west & east coast guys to "STEP UP FAST" and save that car. It has the right colors & the right miles. If it's not rusty, it's very fixable. The value of 70 converts is going up. Don't hesitate!!! Keep us informed.
Bob
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on May 22, 2016, 04:09:15 PM
Frankly, I wouldn't touch it but that's me.

In many years of buying & selling automobiles, I know firsthand the perils of getting involved with a wrecked vehicle and that which can be seen is only the surface more often than not.

Sure, anything can be fixed but economic reality cannot be ignored. (At least for most of us.) Might be a different story were we talking a far more valuable car; the margin for error on a '70 DeVille convertible is a whole lot narrower.

Anyone interested should proceed with extreme caution, preferably hire a repair expert to survey the damage - and keep in mind, there's still only so much even he will be able to tell you.

My 2 cents.

**Right off the bat I noticed the R skirt not properly attached. Could be either a red herring or a red flag.
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: Bobby B on May 22, 2016, 06:07:09 PM
The Door/ Fender gaps don't look too bad at all, but that's in pictures. Again, you have to go see it, tape measure in hand. If you picked it up cheap enough, the worst that could happen is that you part it out and try to recoup your investment. In agreement that most people wouldn't even think about taking this on, but whatever Floats your Boat. Caution and thoroughness is a must......
                                                                                                                                             Bobby
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: Scot Minesinger on May 22, 2016, 08:16:03 PM
If I did buy it, would be for parts only.  Likely an insurance adjuster totaled it already though, so not optimistic.  Carfax would indicate a wrecked car if you ever tried to sell it.  I'm sure someone will buy it for parts, just a matter of price, 3k seems a little too high, 1.5 or 2.0k seems more realistic.
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: harry s on May 22, 2016, 08:24:09 PM
Scot, You and I were posting at the same time. My post didn't register, but I said basically the same as you regarding title. You would more than likely get a "salvage title" which makes registration almost impossible and certainly chills any resale of the car as a whole if you were able to fix it.     Harry
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on May 22, 2016, 08:57:44 PM
I would buy it if I was closer.   But, I wouldn't buy it sight unseen.

The only cars I have ever purchased sight unseen were a '71 Eldorado Convertible, and a '78 Eldorado.   The '71 yielded tons of invaluable parts that I shipped home, and even got $176.00 for the rusty remains that I left behind.   The '78 yielded its Aluminium wheels, and some other small bits, and I got $570.00 for the salvage.

Anything is fixable.   Just a matter of how earnestly one wants something.

Bruce. >:D
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: "Cadillac Kid" Greg Surfas 15364 on May 22, 2016, 09:20:37 PM
Having had one just like that (a coupe not a convert) where a pole jumped out in front of me on a rainy day, I would say that there is nothing major other than sheet metal and of course radiator/condenser and bendable engine parts.  That said it of course is titled as a "total", but realistically, unless we have the dedicated classic car coverage, any insurance company will declare anything over $1500.00 worth of damage as a "total". My wife had comeone do a minor sideswipe on her 76 that needed a quarter panel.  Damage was $2,800.00.  The insurance co insisted on calling the car a total, gave me $2900.00 and sold me back the car for $95.00.   Go figure.  I of course did the quarter panel, fixed the car and re-titled it from "salvage" to a clear title.
I would guess that another $3000.00 would get this car back on the road assuming the mechanics were in good shape (accident  most probably did not hurt them).  Im sure the seller would take a little less, but even so, you could have a pretty good looking car for 6 grand.  This absolute authenticity stuff is okay, but it is sure nicer just having a Cadillac doing what it was intended to do, "ease on down the road".
Greg Surfas
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: Bob Hoffmann CLC#96 on May 22, 2016, 09:29:41 PM
Jeez... you guys are soooo negative. Obviously the car got totaled by an adjuster. Maybe you get a salvage title. Big deal. Impossible to register?? What planet are you on? No such thing as a Carfax on a NON 17 digit vehicle. "Chills" the resale. Let's assume you're going to fix it & enjoy the car for awhile & not already concerned about selling it. We're not talking about a 2016 $100,000 totaled Escalade here. Part it out??? What are you really gonna sell & for how much?? I just read Greg's post. He's right on!!!
Bob
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: Bobby B on May 22, 2016, 09:41:36 PM
I'm in agreement with the last few posts. Who really cares about a "Salvage " Title for a 1970 Vehicle? Maybe a used car dealer, or some high dollar auction stuff, but getting this car back on the road, all in for 6-7K, would do it for me. That's a Killer Summer cruiser in the correct color combination, for a few months sweat equity. I guarantee it's nothing but a bunch of mangled sheet metal and it looks worse than it actually is. Is this any worse than welding floor pans, quarters, and rockers in a Rusty Vehicle? I'm all for going to check it out if it's close enough. Nothing Ventured, Nothing gained........
                                Bobby
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: James Landi on May 23, 2016, 12:18:49 AM
Entirely agree Bobby--- I think that bumper saved the entire front end.  I noticed that the front fenders look aligned, and with 62K miles, wow!
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: harry s on May 23, 2016, 10:23:22 AM
Hey Bob, Last I checked Virginia was still on this planet, although some of their political maneuvers may indicate otherwise. In my experience VA will not issue a clean title allowing registration of a salvage vehicle. Several years ago I went with a friend to look at a '68 Cad conv in Philadelphia. The car looked nice but upon driving we noticed a binding noise from under the car. It turned out the universals were severely rusted as was most of the undercarriage. The next thing we noticed was when the seat backs were tilted forward their was a muddy residue in the crevices. When pointed out there was no comment from the seller. We asked to see his title, it turned out to be a flood car that was totaled by the ins co and had a PA salvage title that stated "Not To Be Operated On PA Roadways" (or words to that effect). I'm sure each state has their own procedures for dealing with these matters. Checking the paper work should be part of the due diligence process just like looking the car over when considering a purchase.  By the way, I think this '70 would be worth a look for anyone interested assuming you could get over the hurdles.    Harry








title report on that
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: 76eldo on May 23, 2016, 10:42:06 AM
It would be a great find for someone with a decent parts car.  If the windshield was broken that would indicate a frame twist but the door gaps and fender lines are not too bad.

It may require a minor frame pull in the very front, ahead of the suspension but you really wouldn't know for sure until you strip off the front end to see how bad it is.

Should get fixed rather than crushed.  The speaker installation is almost as horrifying as the crash... 8)

Brian
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on May 23, 2016, 11:29:17 AM
How much does anyone suppose the car was worth before the crash?

We already know it's got a "resale red" paint job - perhaps it was born that way but taken in conjunction with the wrong body side moldings, speakers hacked in the rear armrests - just how valuable does everyone suppose the car was to begin with?

We're not exactly talking a pristine, low mileage untouched masterpiece before the "incident" and a '70 DVC is not exactly the rarest Cadillac on the planet - as nice of a car that a 1970 DVC is.

Bob is right about Carfax and 17 digit VINs. Here in PA, salvage can be street legal again - albeit with a bit of red tape but nothing too drastic. I would not take the 62,000 mileage reading as gospel either. 

In any case, I cannot see getting the car corrected for much less than $10K assuming no unexpected surprises. Assuming it was a $15K car prior, where are you going if the car was free?

Much smarter to buy the right one for $20K and eliminate the unknown while having a turn key (or at least as close to turn key as an old car is) instead of subjecting oneself to the drudgery of a tiresome and thankless project of resurrecting a $15K car that was no great shakes to begin with.

I have earned my daily bread in the car business for nearly 30 years. During that time, I cannot count the times I have regretted getting involved with a project that seemed a sure thing the day I wrote the check. By the same token, I have NEVER regretted buying the best - while being far & away more profitable.

In my book, getting involved with wrecks is a sucker's bet - far more often than not.

Once again I will repeat what my father once said many years ago - and it is as true then as it is today:

A junkyard Corvette costs more than a new one on the showroom floor.

Stepping off soapbox now.  ;D
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: 76eldo on May 23, 2016, 11:44:07 AM
Eric

What you are saying is true but if you take this car, and another $1000 70 parts car you could be into a nice convertible for cheap if you do the work yourself.

It could be a good project for the right person.

The parts needed are not convertible specific so any 1970 will work as a parts car.

Not for me or you but for someone.

Brian
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: Bobby B on May 23, 2016, 06:08:36 PM
Quote from: harry s on May 23, 2016, 10:23:22 AM
Hey Bob, Last I checked Virginia was still on this planet, although some of their political maneuvers may indicate otherwise. In my experience VA will not issue a clean title allowing registration of a salvage vehicle.

Harry,
Hi. Hope all is well.... Here in NJ a Salvage title can be converted with a detailed inspection of the vehicle. Usually takes an hour or so, and if it passes, it can be converted to an operable title. As strict as this State is, I've known some people who have been successful with very little hassle. I guess every State is different.
                                                              Bobby
Title: Re: Crashed '70 on eBay. Fixable? or move on and buy another?
Post by: Dan LeBlanc on May 24, 2016, 01:22:18 PM
Put me in the get a rusted hulk of a car for parts category and fix this one for fun.  Could be a fun driver.  Something to take to work on a nice day with the top down and not worry about bird poop on the hood, a rock chip on the header panel, or a parking lot ding.

My 63 Impala sedan was a driver car and I had more fun driving that car than you could ever imagine.  I'd drive it 3 days a week to work sometimes, took the kids to the drive in in it and didn't have to worry about the things I worry about with the 61.

As already mentioned, a rusty frame, good sheet metal sedan, pull the front clip, replace, repaint, sort mechanicals as necessary using the donors and have fun.