At least for the handsfree driving function
https://www.motor1.com/news/438458/cadillac-super-cruise-subscription/
I suppose it makes sense, but I don't recall it being advertised that way.
Glenn
May as well hop on a bus or take the train, but the word "Subscription" throws alarm bells at me.
The initial price of the car should cover everything, but I can see where the older cars, those without computers, will be the sought-after vehicle for drivers.
Just imagine when getting pulled up by the authorities for traffic checks, and the authorities scan the vehicle with a wifi tool, and issues out ten speeding tickets. Or you travel under an overhead gantry, and the same wifi tool immediately shuts your vehicle down, after automatically sending the car to the side of the road to a stop.
Bruce. >:D
It's a subscription because of the way it works. Supercruise relies on intricate mapping of the roads so it constantly has to be updated to function.
Just one more thing they can suck money out of your wallet for each month.
What ever happened to reading a map and just sitting behind the wheel and actually driving the car?
Rick
Has anyone had experience with super cruise?
Quote from: Cadman-iac on August 13, 2020, 01:56:54 PM
Just one more thing they can suck money out of your wallet for each month.
What ever happened to reading a map and just sitting behind the wheel and actually driving the car?
Nothing happened to those things. No one is being forced to get, subscribe to, or use Super Cruise. Maybe some day it will become a standard item like past new gadgets such as air conditioning, "traditional" cruise control, power windows, power locks, etc. but it's optional for now.
I was just curious if people were aware. I wasn't. Makes sense given the way it works, and teh amount of data it needs to work.
Still a better deal than BMW who will apparently start charging a subscription fee if you want to use the seat heaters.
Glenn
Quote from: dinhnguyen57 on August 13, 2020, 02:31:04 PM
Has anyone had experience with super cruise?
It's on par with Tesla's Autopilot but it can only be used on premapped roads and adverse weather really throws it off.
Cadillac will provide an individual who purchases a new vehicle equipped with the SuperCruise feature three years of updates and data as part of the "option" cost. After that, the subscription is required to continue the updates of the maps, etc. This is somewhat how the OnStar subscriptions were handled--the original purchaser received it for twelve months with the "option" cost, then a subscription was required to continue connectivity.
Conjurers up the "boarder question" regarding certain technologies that were introduced and gradually proved irrelevant. I'm thinking about the several car gps gadgets I purchased in the late 90's and early 2000's that I never use. Or, m,ore to the point, the several more modern Cadillacs that have a full suite of data linkage to the car's computer, but I don't subscribed to. The super cruise is an expensive option, so for the time being, virtually all owners will subscribe, however, will GM "support" the old technology in ten years? Hate to sound cynical, however... we can all wish that brand loyalty would be a core value of this corporation... I suspect in the long term, maintaining a well designed Cadillac a decade or two (or three or four...) after it was produced makes one "Detroit's wore nightmare." James
Quote from: James Landi on August 14, 2020, 08:00:26 AM
Conjurers up the "boarder question" regarding certain technologies that were introduced and gradually proved irrelevant. I'm thinking about the several car gps gadgets I purchased in the late 90's and early 2000's that I never use. Or, m,ore to the point, the several more modern Cadillacs that have a full suite of data linkage to the car's computer, but I don't subscribed to. The super cruise is an expensive option, so for the time being, virtually all owners will subscribe, however, will GM "support" the old technology in ten years? Hate to sound cynical, however... we can all wish that brand loyalty would be a core value of this corporation... I suspect in the long term, maintaining a well designed Cadillac a decade or two (or three or four...) after it was produced makes one "Detroit's wore nightmare." James
It really depends if the systems have provisions to be upgradable in the future so they can still remain usefull. The first in car navigation systems started appearing around 2000 and I would say that they probably are not being updated anymore. They will still be useful for many years but at some point, their will be so out of date that they won't work. Same goes with connectivity. Early cars (10 years ago) already won't work as they were 2G. Many more modern cars have been shipped with 3G and that is going away in less than 2 years. I do know that most of these older systems do have upgrade paths but is someone willing to spend hundreds of dollars to upgrade a 10 year old car?
Quote from: James Landi on August 14, 2020, 08:00:26 AM
Hate to sound cynical, however... we can all wish that brand loyalty would be a core value of this corporation... I suspect in the long term, maintaining a well designed Cadillac a decade or two (or three or four...) after it was produced makes one "Detroit's wore nightmare."
As long as not having it (functioning) doesn't prevent the car from being used, it shouldn't be a significant issue. Classic car enthusiasts have long still enjoyed cars even if they had faulty or non-functioning original features such as "traditional" cruise control, radio, power options, etc.
Quote from: dinhnguyen57 on August 13, 2020, 02:31:04 PM
Has anyone had experience with super cruise?
Yes, I drove a 2018 CT6 from Detroit to the Grand National in San Marcos, TX and back, actually the car drove me. The system worked great and after 100 miles, I finally got used to it and could relax. Then I became upset when I could not use the system for road repair zones. Since then, there have upgrades to the software and it works even better now and I thought it worked fine then.
I gave test drives in the car during the GN and everyone who experienced it seem to really like it.
The car was GM captured test fleet car as I work for GM and was on the Omega program which is/was the CT6.
David
If the system is actually learning and sharing info with other cars and users that would be a good reason to make it a subscription service. Got to pay people to keep things moving. Construction zone would be a good example. I think what triggers many of the systems to go into 'learn' mode is when the driver takes over. One driver grabbing the wheel to swerve isn't noteworthy but when all the sudden there is a pastern and different drivers respond the same way in the same location you can start to assume that how they are doing it is the 'right' way and can send that new route to other cars, basically updating the map.
So does it actually steer the car for you, like an auto pilot, or just set the cruise control speed as posted wherever you are? I guess I don't understand exactly what this system is/does.
Rick
Quote from: TJ Hopland on August 15, 2020, 01:17:50 PM
If the system is actually learning and sharing info with other cars and users that would be a good reason to make it a subscription service. Got to pay people to keep things moving. Construction zone would be a good example. I think what triggers many of the systems to go into 'learn' mode is when the driver takes over. One driver grabbing the wheel to swerve isn't noteworthy but when all the sudden there is a pastern and different drivers respond the same way in the same location you can start to assume that how they are doing it is the 'right' way and can send that new route to other cars, basically updating the map.
Could have used something like that when they shut down 3 out of 4 lanes on 8 mile long bridge from St Pete to Tampa last night, causing a 2 hour jam up and there was NO discernible reason for it when I go the the end of the jam. Ruined a good night out in the DvEille convertible.
Trapped on a loooong bridge, the engine slowly heated up...
I believe it does actually steer the car for you if conditions are right. If it can talk to and learn from other cars that greatly increases the chances that conditions are right.
And yes if its all talking live all the time and there are enough cars on the same network involved it could know about a traffic jam as soon as people started hitting the brakes or dropping speed in an area that normally doesn't require that and possibly start warning or rerouting people that much faster.
And yes one step closer to the machines taking over
Thanks TJ,
It sounds like it does more than just a regular cruise control. I appreciate the explanation.
Rick
It does steer like the Tesla system. it does not talk to other cars though. It can see other cars and avoid them but the data it uses to navigate is supplied and updated by GM or whatever division handles that.
No surprise the talk directly to other cars thing isn't anything more than testing at this time. Makes sense tho not enough cars out there yet and then the likely lack of a standard and security issues.
I wonder how often any of the cars that are out there now talk to the 'mother ship' and report things they have learned?
Quote from: TJ Hopland on August 17, 2020, 08:37:08 PM
No surprise the talk directly to other cars thing isn't anything more than testing at this time. Makes sense tho not enough cars out there yet and then the likely lack of a standard and security issues.
I wonder how often any of the cars that are out there now talk to the 'mother ship' and report things they have learned?
As far as I know, Tesla is the only manufacturer that has two way communication on their driving and routing learning systems.
Quote from: Cadman-iac on August 15, 2020, 06:55:19 PM
So does it actually steer the car for you, like an auto pilot, or just set the cruise control speed as posted wherever you are? I guess I don't understand exactly what this system is/does.
Rick
Absolutely it steers for you and, unlike the Tesla system, the CT6 has a fully independent secondary steering system in the event of a failure of your front steering EPS system. All the CT6 vehicles with Supercruise have Active Rear Steering (ARS). Besides improving nimbleness and turn radius it provides an excellent backup safety system. In the event of an EPS failure, the ARS system will keep the car centered in the lane for somewhere around 10 seconds while warning you to take control and giving you plenty of time to get your head back in the game.
This feature, in addition to the facial camera system and steering wheel/instrument panel coloring system to provide positive feedback of who is "driving", creates a very safe system.
So besides Full Range Adaptive Cruise Control, it provides true hands off the wheel lane centering while monitoring your attentiveness to driving.
#IWORKFORGM
Scott
Wow! That's some fancy system for sure. Also something that you don't want when the warranty runs out.
But very cool, regardless. Thanks for the explanation on how it works.
Rick
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cadillac-charge-subscription-fee-super-170655294.html