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Offline Greg Powers

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OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« on: December 24, 2007, 10:48:15 AM »
I know that many of our members drive newer model Cadillacs on a daily basis, saving the classics for shows, celebrations and special clear weekends.  I am one of those members and own a 2001 Cadillac Deville DTS equipped with the OnStar system.  Recently I received a letter informing me that my OnStar system was an analog system and would cease to function in early 2008.  When I inquired about purchasing an upgrade, I was informed that none was planned and I should just buy a new GM car or truck.  My Cadillac has only 60,000 miles on it and I have no intentions of trading the vehicle. If any of the rest of you are in the same situation, I would encourage you to go to www.OnStarclassaction.com and register your information.  If your have any other suggestions I would love to hear from you.
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Johnny F #662

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2007, 02:00:29 PM »
Interesting situation.  Seems like another result of fast and better technology, much like the dilemma facing people when HDTV is the standard.  Although Onstar is a fantastic system, I feel as though most people really don't need it, and could substitute the main services provided by Onstar, with a cell phone and GPS system.

Offline Fred Zwicker #23106

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2007, 03:12:34 PM »
According to GM, I guess that everything is disposable, even a 2001 Cadillac.

Fred
1930 LaSalle Convertible Coupe, CCCA Senior
1939 LaSalle 2-Dr. Conv.  CLC Senior in 2008
1940 Cadillac Series 75 4 Dr. Convertible
1947 Cadillac Series 62 Convertible Coupe
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Offline Greg Powers

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2007, 11:33:01 AM »
My DTS is equipped with a navigation system, but the problem beyond just the OnStar is that the hands-free cellular service is also rendered useless.  I am a firm believer in limiting distractions while driving with all the "crazies" on the road.
G.L. Powers>1954 Series 62 Sedan/1958 Fleetwood 60 Special-sold/1963 Series 62 Convertible-sold/1970 Fleetwood Brougham-sold/1994 Fleetwood Brougham/1971 Sedan Deville-sold/2000 Deville-sold/2001 DTS-sold/1976 Eldorado Convertible-sold/1983 Coupe Deville-sold/1990 Allante-sold/1990 and 1991 Brougham deElegance-sold/1992 Brougham-sold/Always looking!

Johnny F #662

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2007, 05:40:56 PM »
My DTS is equipped with a navigation system, but the problem beyond just the OnStar is that the hands-free cellular service is also rendered useless.  I am a firm believer in limiting distractions while driving with all the "crazies" on the road.

Greg,

I couldn't agree with you more  There are "hands free" phone kits available so a driver won't be distracted.

Offline Lars Kneller 8246

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2007, 09:25:20 PM »
I am in the same boat with my 2002 Avalanche.  When I called them, I got the same response, "maybe it's time to trade". My truck has 35000 miles on it and many good miles ahead.  I did have my 2005 CTS upgraded with a digital system, but I think anything older cannot be upgraded.  I do agree I find the hands free calling very convenient.

Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2007, 10:21:01 AM »
Now yall will have to join the rest of us.  My `31 and `33  have the UNDER STAR  system.  Yep, anywhere under the stars, you are on your own.   ;D

Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2007, 12:26:16 PM »
For what it's worth, I was able to have the system upgraded on my 2003 GMC Denali.  The cost was nominal so long as I renewed my On-Star contract, which I did.  After reading Lars' post, it appears that 2003 may be the oldest system that is capable of being upgraded.

Offline The Tassie Devil(le)

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2007, 07:19:33 PM »
Now yall will have to join the rest of us.  My `31 and `33  have the UNDER STAR  system.  Yep, anywhere under the stars, you are on your own.   ;D   
On'ya Wayne.

That is the system I use and it works well.

Not real expensive either.

Bruce. >:D
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'70 Ranchero Squire (RHD)
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1936 Ford 5 Window Coupe
1937 Chevrolet Sports Coupe
1955 Chevrolet Convertible
1959 Ford Fairlane Ranch Wagon
1960 Cadillac CDV
1972 Cadillac Eldorado Coupe

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2007, 06:28:44 PM »
For those of you not fully aware of the reasons for the lack of upgrade.

For the in-car system I'm not sure, as I've never had one. But, they are doing away entirely with analog communications. On-Star uses GPS technology, along with voice capable communications. This is all uplinked from a ground transmitter to an orbiting satellite, then relayed to you automobile. Each satellite has a capability of 24 transponders under C-Band in the analog mode. Therefore you can only obtain 24 channels out of the bird (satellite). Ku-band cannot be used for this purpose, due to it's weaker power capabilities, and ability to track moving targets such as cars and trucks.

Now turn each one of these transponders into a digital format, and depending on the compression of the signal, the amount of available bandwidth is almost endless. Just like you mini TV satellite dish. It is all digital and they pack in hundreds of channels on each transponder. The same reason all your TV stations are going digital. Not necessarily HD, but all to be digital by 2009.

Transponder time is rated to be approx $24-30,000 per day to maintain. If a company can buy into just one transponder, and broadcast upwards of 300 channels in a digital format, over one in analog for that same $30K, which way would you spend your companies money as a CFO?

To get more technical I would need a geek. I only know what I have learned from operating a 12' satellite dish at home, and from the techno-geeks on the satellite forums I'm a member of.

5000+ channels is wonderful thing. But my '59 Cadillac fascinates me more than any TV ever could!!

Fins

Johnny F #662

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2007, 11:10:52 PM »
The way I see it, this is just another inconvenience to car buying public as a result of technology making things better.  Just add this to the list which already includes:

-eliminating R-12 for R-134 in A/C systems.

-eliminating leaded gas completely

-laws requiring the use of seat belts, resulting in cars having to have seat reminder systems

-introduction of catalytic convertors


Offline homeonprunehill

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2007, 01:05:03 AM »
I know that many of our members drive newer model Cadillacs on a daily basis, saving the classics for shows, celebrations and special clear weekends.  I am one of those members and own a 2001 Cadillac Deville DTS equipped with the OnStar system.  Recently I received a letter informing me that my OnStar system was an analog system and would cease to function in early 2008.  When I inquired about purchasing an upgrade, I was informed that none was planned and I should just buy a new GM car or truck.  My Cadillac has only 60,000 miles on it and I have no intentions of trading the vehicle. If any of the rest of you are in the same situation, I would encourage you to go to www.OnStarclassaction.com and register your information.  If your have any other suggestions I would love to hear from you.
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12-2-07
Greg P
My wife just treadewd-in her '03 MB because the the compancy that running the SOS system ands the TELE-ALERT system ( similar to the "On-Star) wanted $1,500 for a new unit to up-grade the system  Plus what the loical dealer would charge to do the up-grade. The MB has a toll-free phone numbers thru-out the car. With the toll free number and a "cell" phone, do your own calling, sure beats about $240 per year just to hear a ladies voice tell you that you have made a wrong-turn.
Good Luck,JIM
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Offline The Tassie Devil(le)

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2007, 03:35:38 AM »
The MB has a toll-free phone numbers thru-out the car. With the toll free number and a "cell" phone, do your own calling, Good Luck,JIM
So, you mean to tell us that there are phone numbers written all over the car?

Would that then make it a "Two-tone" Colour Scheme, or "Digital-tone Colour?

But, I have seen lots of vehicles with Phone Numbers written on the doors and the like, but they usually are driven by Business People, and advertising their own businesses.

Bruce.  >:D

PS.   Were the phone numbers written on the headlining, in case of a roll-over?



'72 Eldorado Convertible (LHD)
'70 Ranchero Squire (RHD)
'74 Chris Craft Gull Wing (SH)
'02 VX Series II Holden Commodore SS Sedan
(Past President Modified Chapter)

Past Cars of significance - to me
1935 Ford 3 Window Coupe
1936 Ford 5 Window Coupe
1937 Chevrolet Sports Coupe
1955 Chevrolet Convertible
1959 Ford Fairlane Ranch Wagon
1960 Cadillac CDV
1972 Cadillac Eldorado Coupe

Davidinhartford

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2007, 07:49:35 AM »
Obsolete OnStar eh?

That sucks especially if the car is young enough to be under warranty still.     We are all used to our older stuff becoming obsolete, but not that soon!

Onstar will just be another non-working feature on future showcars.  Just like a defunct 8-track tape player.     :(

Johnny F #662

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2007, 08:51:02 AM »

Onstar will just be another non-working feature on future showcars.  Just like a defunct 8-track tape player.     :(

That's assuming the hobby enjoys the popularity it does now.  I basically don't think it will.  I just can't see that in the year 2041, someone running out to restore a 2001 Cadillac DeVille DTS, like they would now with a 1967 Cadillac DeVille.

Mark

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2007, 09:25:03 AM »

Onstar will just be another non-working feature on future showcars.  Just like a defunct 8-track tape player.     :(


But at least my 8-track players still work.  It's just harder to locate tapes to play in them. 
"New" music isn't an issue as I prefer the older tunes anyhow.

Offline homeonprunehill

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2007, 06:23:00 PM »
The MB has a toll-free phone numbers thru-out the car. With the toll free number and a "cell" phone, do your own calling, Good Luck,JIM
So, you mean to tell us that there are phone numbers written all over the car?

Would that then make it a "Two-tone" Colour Scheme, or "Digital-tone Colour?

But, I have seen lots of vehicles with Phone Numbers written on the doors and the like, but they usually are driven by Business People, and advertising their own businesses

12-30-07
Bruce, I was in a hurry and didn't word my reply just right, But, there are phone numbers on the SunVisor and in the owners manual plus,one has the option of calling the "toll free" operator (24/7)  for a toll-free phone number from the MB home office in NJ












Bruce.  >:D

PS.   Were the phone numbers written on the headlining, in case of a roll-over?




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Johnny F #662

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2007, 06:29:32 PM »

Onstar will just be another non-working feature on future showcars.  Just like a defunct 8-track tape player.     :(


But at least my 8-track players still work.  It's just harder to locate tapes to play in them. 
"New" music isn't an issue as I prefer the older tunes anyhow.

8 tracks?  No problem, ebay has over a 1,000 listed.


Offline Fred Zwicker #23106

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2007, 07:48:59 PM »
Last spring I traded in my HHR, which had Onstar and CD player.  Great car, low mileage and owned by a senior citizen (me).  The only thing I forgot to remove was the CD from the CD player. 

The dealer could hardly wait to get the car, as had someone who wanted a car that had low mileage and was babied by a senior citizen.  I wonder what the new owner thought about the low-mileage senior citizen car when he found the "Rolling Stones" CD in the player?

At least the Onstar still worked.

Fred
1930 LaSalle Convertible Coupe, CCCA Senior
1939 LaSalle 2-Dr. Conv.  CLC Senior in 2008
1940 Cadillac Series 75 4 Dr. Convertible
1947 Cadillac Series 62 Convertible Coupe
1948 Cadillac Convertible - modified by Holly (driver)
1966 Cadillac DeVille Conv. Restored - Red
See Pictures at www.tpcarcollection.com

Johnny F #662

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Re: OnStar Equipped Cadillacs Losing Service (Analog)
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2007, 03:42:55 AM »
Last spring I traded in my HHR, which had Onstar and CD player.  Great car, low mileage and owned by a senior citizen (me).  The only thing I forgot to remove was the CD from the CD player. 

The dealer could hardly wait to get the car, as had someone who wanted a car that had low mileage and was babied by a senior citizen.  I wonder what the new owner thought about the low-mileage senior citizen car when he found the "Rolling Stones" CD in the player?

At least the Onstar still worked.

Fred

Hey the Stones are senior ciizens themselves.......

 

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