for the record!

Started by Jessie, November 29, 2008, 01:12:19 PM

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Jessie

LET EVERYONE KNOW

For the record...

Ford, Chrysler and GM's contributions after 9/11

An interesting commentary...You might find this of interest:

'CNN Headline News did a short news listing regarding Ford and GM's contributions to the relief and recovery efforts in New York and Washington .

The findings are as follows.....

1. Ford- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the same number plus 10 Excursion vehicles to NY Fire Dept. The company also offered ER response team services and office space to displaced government employees.

2. GM- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the sam e number and a whole fleet of Vans, Suv's and Trucks.

3. Daimler Chrysler- $10 million to support of the children and victims of the Sept. 11 attack.

4. Harley Davidson motorcycles- $1 million and 30 new motorcycles to the New York Police Dept.

5. Volkswagen-Employees and management created a Sept 11 Foundation, funded initial with $2 million, for the assistance of the children and victims of the WTC.

6. Hyundai- $300,000 to the American Red Cross.

7. Audi-Nothing.

8. BMW-Nothing.

9. Daewoo- Nothing.

10. Fiat-Nothing.

11. Honda- Nothing despite boasting of second best sales month ever in August, 2001. 

12. Isuzu- Nothing.

13. Mitsubishi-Nothing..

14. Nissan-Nothing.

15. Porsche-Nothing except a press release with condolences via the Porsche website.

16. Subaru- Nothing.

17. Suzuki- Nothing.

18. Toyota-Nothing despite claims of high sales in July and August 2001. Condolences posted on the website.

Whenever the time may be for you to purchase or lease a new vehicle, keep this information in mind. You might want to give more consideration to a car manufactured by an American-owned and / or American based company. Apart from Hyundai and Volkswagen, the foreign car companies contributed nothing at all to the citizens of the United States ...

It's OK for these companies to take money out of this country, but it is apparently not acceptable to return some in a time of crisis. I believe we should not forget things like this. Say thank you in a way that gets their attention..

BUY YOUR NEXT VEHICLE FROM GM, FORD OR CHRYSLER.

                                                                                    Mrjb
Cadillac got me!!!

Joe Manna

#1
Jessie,just reading your post.That is something I and a lot of other people did not know.What gets my you know what,is to see these foreign cars on the road and to see some type of  War veteran plates on them.We have them here in NJ,it might read "Combat wounded" or something of that nature.Keep the economy in this country.
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buicksplus

#2
These "facts" are mostly false, see snopes.com.

I would love to buy American, but for the last few years foreign cars offer more value and selection for the kind of transportation I want.  I'm no fan of SUV's and big trucks by the way,  I like small, good quality cars -- a market American manfacturers abandoned long ago. 

Most of these "furrin" cars are assembled, sold, and serviced by Americans on American soil. Look under the hood of that "American" car:  you'll find plenty of outsourced components from who knows where.

Buy cars for whatever reason you want, but if you believe in free trade, you know that most will  end up spending their hard earned money on cars that they feel will give them the best service and value.   I hope the domestic auto industry survives and does it by building the kinds of cars that people want to buy.   
Bill Sullivan CLC# 12700

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JESSIE!  Thanks for alerting we Americans who our friends are in times of need. I'm not surprised at all that South Korea's Hyundai manufacturer was one of the listed donors. They will always be there when we need them as shown in the United Nations meetings, etc.  I have never purchased a foreign car and never will. All five of my cars are GM and they have been very reliable and I couldn't ask for anything more. I buy American whenever possible and so should all of you assuming the item is within reason and of good quality.  If we keep buying all these foreign products pretty soon our country will be working for them so wake up and get with it.  GOD BLESS AMERICA!   EAM

Ev Marabian

1976 Cadillac Coupe DeVille, 1989 Chevrolet Caprice Classic, 1990 Pontiac Bonneville and 1996 Buick Skylark

quadfins

 My old 2002 Ford F250 pickup truck was built in Mexico!! How about them apples ;)   

Lou




   And that is probably why Ford recentl;y closed the Norfolk, Virginia, truck assembly plant.
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And my late wife's 1999 Dodge Ram pickup was also built in Mexico. I was certainly not happy when I found that out. Fortunately, my 2001 Eldorado was assembled in Lansing. Liz and I last owned a foreign vehicle in 1985, when we sold her 1976 Datsun pickup and bought a new Ford Ranger.

GM, Ford and Chrysler are making cars that compete well with the foreign makes. Too bad they weren't doing that 20 years ago.

Tim
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Andrew

Quote from: Tim Coy on December 01, 2008, 12:07:33 PM
And my late wife's 1999 Dodge Ram pickup was also built in Mexico. I was certainly not happy when I found that out. Fortunately, my 2001 Eldorado was assembled in Lansing. Liz and I last owned a foreign vehicle in 1985, when we sold her 1976 Datsun pickup and bought a new Ford Ranger.

GM, Ford and Chrysler are making cars that compete well with the foreign makes. Too bad they weren't doing that 20 years ago.

Tim

Well, they are getting better, but they dont compete yet. A new Toyota or Niissan 4 door will go for ten years without a repair with average mileage per year. And face it, there isnt ANY Chevy or Ford that can make that claim, or come even close. We could do what these other car companies do, but we dont. Who knows why. BUt the fact is, if you get a new Chevy or Ford small car, you're going to have problems much sooner than you will with the Toyota or Nissan. Every year, American car companies make announcements about how they  "Now have quality co pareable to Toyota and Nissan", but they dont. Ford is doing that now. They added a "Plus" to  their ad line, and say that that makes their cars better. Well, it doesnt.
I would love to be able to go down to the local Chevy dealer and pick up a reliable long lasting small car to commute with. Buy until they can compete, I cant afford to roll the dice with a Ford or Chevy. I haveto get to work, and I cant get a new one every 3 or 4 years. My Toyota was bought new in 92. It still runs great after 200 thousand miles, and with only a few minor repairrs, and gets 35 mpg. My friends who bought the Escorts and the Chevy what-evers at the same time are on their 3rd new car since.
I just cant bring myself to make that sacrifice as long as Ford is building cars like he Focus and putting the word "Plus" at the end of their name to make their cars "better". I cant afford it.

Rusty Shepherd CLC 6397

Tim was surprised to find out that Liz's Dodge Ram was made in Mexico and I'm sure a lot of other people have been, too, as many cars and trucks from GM, Chrysler and Ford are assembled there.  Here's how to tell:  If the first character of the VIN is "2", it was assembled in Canada; if "3", Mexico. Originally all US assembled vehicles had "1" as the first character, then "4" was added.  I've heard that more US-assembly numbers have been added since I took an auto theft investigation course put on by the National Insurance Crime Bureau course several years ago, but I don't what they are. 

The Tassie Devil(le)

I think that 6 is Australian Manufacture, as in the Pontiac G8.

Bruce. >:D
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'70 Ranchero Squire (RHD)
'74 Chris Craft Gull Wing (SH)
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Past Cars of significance - to me
1935 Ford 3 Window Coupe
1936 Ford 5 Window Coupe
1937 Chevrolet Sports Coupe
1955 Chevrolet Convertible
1959 Ford Fairlane Ranch Wagon
1960 Cadillac CDV
1972 Cadillac Eldorado Coupe

Joe G

I've been a "buy USA" guy for most of my life. I've been a big fan of GM; I've got 5 Cadillacs in my garage right now. But the topper of the toppers was my 2001 Olds Alero. Turns out the engine was made in Mexico, Brake calipers in Australia, Many electrical items such as the A/C blower fan resistor board(s). etc were from Costa Rica; and on and on. That car had repairs of about $1000.00 per year after the factory warranty ran out until I got fed up and traded it in on a used Toyota early this year. But the thing that Chaffed my butt more than the outsourcing of parts was the POOR ENGINEERING and EXCUSES for it!. There was NO DIPSTICK or any way to measure the amount of automatic transmission fluid in it, or even look at the color! The Spindoctors at GM tried to cover their shortfalls by stating in the owners manual that "There's no need to change the fluid for 150,000 miles. If there's fluid loss the car should be taken into a dealer for servicing anyway, as it may indicate other problems may need attention" or something like that. Well, yes, like a burned out neglected tranny that may have lasted a heck of a lot longer if maintained!! Even if it loses 1 drop in a hundred miles, you'd never see it or know it  'till it's too late.
    My biggest issues were fuel injection system problems, almost annually, Front end/ suspension/ shaking problems at highway speeds,  failed front wheel hubs/bearings (< 50,000 miles). Warped brake rotors. The last straw was the failure of the passlock ignition/security system. The symtoms/ solutions/ remedies are not addressed in the owners manuals, or even shop manuals, and GM won't admit there's a recurrring problem in the Olds Alero's or Pontiac Grand AMS. But just look it up in "AutoBeef.com" or do a little researching and you can plainly see that there's a LOT of people Pissed at GM and their "I don't see a problem" mentality. This was my "good car" and used mostly for highway use, never abused and extremely well maintained.  Good bye GM!!!!!   

Jessie

well i see the point trying to get across but i hear the post is mostly wrong so i guess its mostly right too so its a matter of what news station you believe but also a nissan altima is built in tennesee  but guess what the profits go to japan.....    and your ford f-250 assembled in mexico put money in the american economy so thanks    but i guess none of us have all the answers or we would  all be rich and elvis still alive....lol 
Cadillac got me!!!

Andrew

Quote from: Jessie on December 02, 2008, 10:49:28 PM
well i see the point trying to get across but i hear the post is mostly wrong so i guess its mostly right too so its a matter of what news station you believe but also a nissan altima is built in tennesee  but guess what the profits go to japan.....    and your ford f-250 assembled in mexico put money in the american economy so thanks    but i guess none of us have all the answers or we would  all be rich and elvis still alive....lol 

Some of the profits may go back to Japan, but the jobs and the salaries are here. Every Japanese car that is manufactured in this country means that the jobs are in this country.

guy r moor

i am not going to change anyone's mind by saying this and you sure aren't going to change mine.  I have driven nothing but Cadillacs and one Oldsmobile since I started buying cars in 1970.  I sure don't want some Japanese car made in Kentucky or whever they make the crappy things.  I have head people say they would not miss the big three if they were gone, but have you ever considered what that might do to the price of than Camry or Altima, or whatever, if they have no competition then you will have to drive whatever they produce.  I have never seen anything they make that would want me to buy one.  For my tastes the styling of these things are awful.  They are so generic.  I have had several pass me on the road and from the rear you cannot identify a Mercedes from a Lexus, Honda, Toyota, etc.  At least a Caddy is east t identify and for may personal tastes they have no competition, except maybe Lincoln (the Town Car) not those other things they make.  If at some point they cease to exists I will just keep driving my 89 deVille, 94 Concours, and my 1976 Olds 98 until I can't drive anymore.

Pat DeVitto

It just goes to show you where some will go to make the "American car" companies look good. If they want to look good build a better car than Honda, Toyota, BMW etc and stop this nonsense. The UAW and the of the "American Car" company executives should hang their heads in shame. But then again what does shame mean in these times? Disgraceful!
PS I've never bought anything other than a GM or Ford product - but that is changing!