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Offline Otto Skorzeny

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 06:00:05 PM »
I've seen that car before. I don't think it has anything to do with GM or prototype or anything.


I don't think he has any documentation to back up the "prototype" claim.

Somebody just modified it.
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Offline Carfreak

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 06:02:37 PM »
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"The only other known automobile to have similar parts was the 1956 Cadillac Eduardo Braugham concept car"


Eduardo Braugham? 

I don't believe that's his real name.  What do you think Otto?   :D

Offline Chris Conklin

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 08:22:12 PM »
I don't believe that's his real name.  What do you think Otto?   :D

Austin Craigslist strikes again!  :D
And is it Otto or Forrest? Hmmmm...

It is a pretty car though. Pretty enough that the story is not necessary.
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Offline Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 09:44:09 PM »
I've seen that car before. I don't think it has anything to do with GM or prototype or anything.


I don't think he has any documentation to back up the "prototype" claim.

Somebody just modified it.

That's right, Forrest. Didn't we beat that dead horse enough  a few months ago?  Bob
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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2009, 03:26:07 PM »
Several months ago, a man wrote a letter to Cars & Parts magazine, saying that he worked at Capitol Cadillac in Washington, DC in 1954, and remembers a 1954 Cadillac sedan with four headlights that was made for then-Secretary of Defense Charles Wilson, who had been President of GM from 1941 to 1953.  The car also had some special gold trim on the interior.

According to the writer, he took the car to the District's motor vehicle inspection station to get the inspection sticker that would be required so that Mr. Wilson could license the car.  The DC inspector failed the car because of the quad headlights and some non-standard feature of the exhaust system.  When the writer returned to Capitol Cadillac and reported the problem to the dealership's owner, Floyd Akers, Mr. Akers instructed him to go right back to the inspection station, and not go through the line again, but just pull up out front.  He did as instructed, and no sooner did he bring the car to a halt than someone rushed out of the inspection station to scrape off the "rejected" sticker and put on an "approved" sticker. 
Such was the influence of the Cadillac dealer in those days, combined with the fact that the car was to be delivered to the Secretary of Defense. 

Of course I can't personally verify this story, but it does suggest that some cars were produced with quad headlights before they became regularly available.
 

 


Offline Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 04:31:07 PM »
Richard, I'm not disputing your story. The point is that quad headlites were illegal  some states untill late 1957. Driving around with those lites would be an invitation for a ticket.  But, I'll repeat what I posted the last time re the 56 Seville. That car was NOT a prototype. It was owned for 25 or more years by a well known parts vendor in Pa. I saw it there many times.  This is his story. Sometime AFTER the quads came out in 1958 on the non brougham cars, someone discovered that there was enough room to install the quad buckerts in a 56. Some # of cars were converted.  The work could have doe in Pa. This may be the only one left. As I said before, Ebayers & auction sellers will say anything to make their item "special"  Bob
« Last Edit: October 29, 2009, 04:39:00 PM by Bob Hoffmann CLC#96 »
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Offline veesixteen

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 04:35:45 PM »
It is featured in the "Dream Cars" section of the Cadillac Database, along with at least one other.  Perhaps the build sheet might tell the story ...but I'm not ready to fork out $50 to find out.
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Offline Otto Skorzeny

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 06:40:31 PM »
It looks like a Checker cab in that photo.
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Offline Walter Youshock

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2009, 07:51:51 PM »
Those look like standard 1958 headlight bezels.

To successfully do that, the fenders would also have to have been spliced.  Plus, the 1958 Autronic-Eye would have to be installed.

There is an interesting comment in the appendix of Hendry's book about a Rolls-Royce designer explaining the difference of designing a car with 4 headlights vs. 2.

Some cars look fine with them and some don't.  It all has to do with the overall presentation of the front end--bumper height, gullwing angle, etc.

Do they look bad on any '59 or an '89 Brougham?  What if a '65 had 2 lights instead of 4?
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Offline Otto Skorzeny

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 08:02:00 PM »
Generally speaking I've always preferred the look of two headlight designs. They give the car a more natural and friendly face. =)
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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2009, 08:06:09 PM »

There is an interesting comment in the appendix of Hendry's book about a Rolls-Royce designer explaining the difference of designing a car with 4 headlights vs. 2.

Some cars look fine with them and some don't.  It all has to do with the overall presentation of the front end--bumper height, gullwing angle, etc.


The first example that came to mind was the 70 vs 71/72 Chevelle. 

My preference is the 4 headlights; more pleasing IMO.  The 2 headlights looks 'cheap' in comparison. 
For most cars with a smaller round headlight, I prefer 4. 

As for the car that is the topic of this thread, I agree with Otto - don't look good!!!    >:(
« Last Edit: October 30, 2009, 06:02:47 AM by CarFreak »

Alan Harris CLC#1513

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2009, 11:52:24 PM »
I disbelieve all of these stories about quad headlight prototypes. This was a popular thing to do at one time. The J.C. Whitney catalogue actually sold kits to do this conversion in the late fifties and early sixties. I have seen other cars that have had the same headlight change up to and including a Mark II Continental.

Myself, I think that they look better without the four eyes. This car is on a par with the Ludwig 1959-60 convertible. I hope that nobody falls for this claptrap.

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2009, 01:27:55 AM »
I think you mean "Luvdg", not "Ludwig".  We haven't seen any of his "fabrications in some time !
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Offline Cadillac1955

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2009, 05:30:47 AM »
Hello,

The double headlight beams came in 1958 as a aftermarket option...
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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2009, 08:25:06 AM »
4 headlights were a standard feature from the factory on Cadillacs and other GM cars for 1958.
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Offline Cadcliff

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2009, 12:03:29 AM »
About 20+ years ago I had run across 2 56 Eldorados with quad lights out here in SoCal.
All were converted well after the cars were sold new.
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Offline Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2009, 11:49:54 AM »
Thanks, Cliff. Some people are just hard to convince about certain things that were done 40 or 50 years ago. Before their time either age wise or interest wise I guess. Bob
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Offline The Tassie Devil(le)

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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2009, 06:16:09 PM »
Going on from the Quad Headlight Debate, it took a lot of convincing by the Auto Makers to let the Government to allow them to use Rectangular Headlights, and the same goes for these "modern" multi-shaped Headlight covers.

It is the Stylists that dictate what is required, not the Safety considerations.

Bruce. >:D
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Re: 1956 Eldorado Seville Prototype
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2009, 07:21:55 PM »
In 1957, Lincoln had quad headlights for their cars. The upper two were the large , regular dual beam lamps. The lower two were smaller , high beams only which could also be turned off by a switch on the steering column. The owner's manual lists the states where the quad lighting was not legal. Cars sold new in these states had a decorative blank-out in place of the lower lamps.
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