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1937 Cad 2-dr sedan

Started by Mike Simmons 938, June 09, 2013, 08:25:01 PM

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Mike Simmons 938

While going through some papers, I found an old HMN ad from Oct. '82, offering a "1937 rare 2-door sedan 6011, not listed, body #3 etc, CT" Has anyone ever heard of such a '37 2-dr sedan that was not a LaSalle?
Mike Simmons 938

Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

Hi Mike,
According to the 1942 MPB they did make some 6011's. Gotta be a rare bird. I looked in the 2013 CLC roster. There's one listed.
HTH, Bob
1968 Eldorado slick top ,white/red interior
2015 Holden Ute HSV Maloo red/black interior.
             
Too much fun is more than you can have.

Mr Peanut

I recently purchased a 37-6011 body #6 and promptly joined the club and forum.  It is a very interesting car and I would love to find out how many were produced.  The story passed from owner to owner was that there were 12 made.  I have not received anything from CLC other than my membership number.  I hope my roster and magazine arrives soon.  Any idea who might know this information?  Thanks for the help and sorry for replying to such an old post.....Chuck
Currently in my "old car" herd:
1930 Ford Model A Tudor Sedan
1931 Ford Model A "rat rod" Pickup
1936 Chevrolet 5 Window Coupe
1937 Cadillac 6011 Two Door Sedan - Body #6
1956 Cadillac Sixty Special Fleetwood Sedan
1958 GMC 100 Series Fleetside Pickup
1961 Plymouth Belvedere
1973 Ford F100 Pickup
1978 Dodge D100 Pickup
1980 Shay Roadster
1983 Maxda RX7 (it is over 30 years old now!)

Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

Chuck,
Welcome to the club & forum. Realistically, you are not going to receive the info you desire from the club. And... probably no one else has it either. They made 1801 37 LaSalle 5011's. The survival rate for any Cadillac or LaSalle 2 door sedans  is not good. It doesn't make sense that only 12 6011's were made. It sounds like a good job for you to research the surviving cars. The highest body # you find will mean that they made at LEAST that many cars. Be advised that there's a VERY small % of club members on this forum. So... search old directories HMN etc.
Good Luck, Bob
1968 Eldorado slick top ,white/red interior
2015 Holden Ute HSV Maloo red/black interior.
             
Too much fun is more than you can have.

Steve Passmore

That sounds like a very interesting car.  I didn't know they made it. I always wondered why they never put that body on the Cadillac? after all, they produced the coupe. What was it that made them produce it on the La Salle but not the Cadillac?  The same Fisher body was used on the Buick's and I always loved them.  Some manufactures termed them as 2 Door Coach.

I saw one for sale once and I was convinced someone had swapped a body on to a Cadillac from another GM but Bob has confirmed its existence. What a rare bird.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

Mr Peanut

I did order the paperwork from the GM Heritage Center.  The owner also custom ordered the interior.  The sheet says "install bucket type seats - drivers seat adjustable, -passenger's seat to fold down under the dash".  I don't know if the LaSalle 5011's had a bench seat or buckets.  Just under this is a box that is blacked out on this carbon copy of the form.  You can see where the form wasn't lined up in the typewriter 100% and part of the letters are hanging below the box a little.  Does anyone know what would be in this box? 

It has dual side mounts, flexible steering wheel, wheel discs, Cadillac heater/defroster, but no radio.  She has just under 52,000 original miles and it shows.  It is listed as "S.B.O. No." 474 and there is a box labeled "SUPP. S.B.O." 550.  The 474 appears on the plate on the firewall listing it as "PAINT No" F.O.474.  Does anybody know how I would get my hands on the supplemental order form 550?  That may have the instructions to Fleetwood for the modifications.  Also the color on the order is 57 (brown), but it is definitely a red/burgundy color.  Is this part of the special order and a color just needed listed on the form?  The tag from the Fisher Body Division is still hanging in the trunk listing 1 box, 1 pkg, and 5 pcs with a weight of 525.

I have attached the trunk tag, data plate, and order sheet in case anybody can assist.  The car is also listed on The Cadillac Database [http://www.cadillacdatabase.org/Dbas_txt/Drm37-39.htm] about 6 cars down.  The history on the car is partially correct.  I believe the Rev. John Quinn (listed as the purchaser in the database) was the 2nd owner who living in the same town as the original purchaser, Ms. Keenan.  I have enjoyed researching this car and am excited to be her current caretaker.
Currently in my "old car" herd:
1930 Ford Model A Tudor Sedan
1931 Ford Model A "rat rod" Pickup
1936 Chevrolet 5 Window Coupe
1937 Cadillac 6011 Two Door Sedan - Body #6
1956 Cadillac Sixty Special Fleetwood Sedan
1958 GMC 100 Series Fleetside Pickup
1961 Plymouth Belvedere
1973 Ford F100 Pickup
1978 Dodge D100 Pickup
1980 Shay Roadster
1983 Maxda RX7 (it is over 30 years old now!)

Mr Peanut

I ran out of attachment room!  The first one above is the PDF of the order sheet.  Here is the trunk tag, a shot of the car, and the interior......Chuck
Currently in my "old car" herd:
1930 Ford Model A Tudor Sedan
1931 Ford Model A "rat rod" Pickup
1936 Chevrolet 5 Window Coupe
1937 Cadillac 6011 Two Door Sedan - Body #6
1956 Cadillac Sixty Special Fleetwood Sedan
1958 GMC 100 Series Fleetside Pickup
1961 Plymouth Belvedere
1973 Ford F100 Pickup
1978 Dodge D100 Pickup
1980 Shay Roadster
1983 Maxda RX7 (it is over 30 years old now!)

harry s

Definately a "rare bird". It will be interesting to see what can be learned about the car. It is not mentioned in 80 Years Of Cadillac. Keep us posted.     Harry
Harry Scott 4195
1941 6733
1948 6267X
2011 DTS Platinum

gary griffin

#8
  Hi Chuck,

   Welcome to the club and the forum.

Great car and very interesting history. A real treasure.

  The color appears to be Oxblood Maroon in the picture. Always some differences in colors in pictures in the digital age we live in.

  I would suggest you spend a little time prowling through the trunk, under door panels and under the seats and so forth to see if it is a repaint.

  Enjoy it and drive it too.  Hope to see it someday at a club event.
Gary Griffin

1940 LaSalle 5029 4 door convertible sedan
1942 Cadillac 6719 restoration almost complete?
1957 Cadillac 60-special (Needs a little TLC)
2013 Cadillac XTS daily driver

Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

Chuck,
VERY interesting. Did you post a picture of the invoice you got from the Heritage people? I'd like to see it. Then I'll comment on some other things.
Does anyone have an invoice for a 37 LaSalle 2 door sedan for comparison?
Thanks, Bob
1968 Eldorado slick top ,white/red interior
2015 Holden Ute HSV Maloo red/black interior.
             
Too much fun is more than you can have.

Mr Peanut

I did post the invoice.  It is the 1st attachment (PDF) above the body tag.  I believe that a total production of 12 is very possible considering these were built as special order cars only, not as a normal production vehicle.
Currently in my "old car" herd:
1930 Ford Model A Tudor Sedan
1931 Ford Model A "rat rod" Pickup
1936 Chevrolet 5 Window Coupe
1937 Cadillac 6011 Two Door Sedan - Body #6
1956 Cadillac Sixty Special Fleetwood Sedan
1958 GMC 100 Series Fleetside Pickup
1961 Plymouth Belvedere
1973 Ford F100 Pickup
1978 Dodge D100 Pickup
1980 Shay Roadster
1983 Maxda RX7 (it is over 30 years old now!)

Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

Chuck,
I missed that file. Very interesting invoice.
Several things:
When a car has a SO # on the data plate, it wipes out BOTH the paint & trim #, no matter which one is SO.
Your paint is not SO, the interior is.
I think before you assume the car was not a production car  & only 12 were made, you need to do a lot more research.
So... my comments in my original response still hold. Are you willing to be the point man on the research?
I've looked at dozens of invoices & will help any way I can.
No one has ever found any Fleetwood instructions. We assume they are all lost.
HTH, Bob
1968 Eldorado slick top ,white/red interior
2015 Holden Ute HSV Maloo red/black interior.
             
Too much fun is more than you can have.

Mr Peanut

Thanks everybody for the replies!  I am excited and eager to find out more about these pre-war Cadillacs.  This is my first one and have enjoyed the experience thus far.

I am going to do as much research as I can.  I already have the 1940 Census data and ancestors of the original owner looked up and will start contacting them soon for possible old photos/stories.  I also have some of the info about previous owners in CT and OH.  The last owner had it for 35 years and is a great source of info.  The story passed along with the previous owners was that an elderly dowager with a hunchback in CT ordered the car so she could be chauffeured.  That story at least matches the name on the invoice better than the 300 lb Rev listed in The Cadillac Database.  The census places her in her late 60's at time of purchase and head of household with her younger brother living with her (possibly her chauffeur?).  I am already active in 3 other car clubs, keeping up house/property repairs, the listed pack of cars, and work full time, so research time is limited.  Any help from those with more knowledge than I have is appreciated and welcome.

The reason that I say it was not a regular production vehicle is info from the 1937 Cadillac/LaSalle sales manual that says:
"The 1937 program consists of a new LaSalle with a Cadillac Built V-Type eight cylinder engine
in five body styles in a new greatly widened market.
The Series 60 Cadillac, with four body styles, features increased horsepower and greater interior luxury at a lower price."

It later shows the 4 door sedan & convertible and the 2 door coupe and convertible as the production Cadillac styles (4 total).  The LaSalle section adds the 2 door sedan in the regular lineup to give them the 5th body style.  The LaSalle got the smaller 322 ci V-8 while the Caddy got the 346ci (which mine still has and is matching numbers).  Everything points to the LaSalle body being special ordered and placed on the Cadillac chassis.  As soon as I get my CLC roster and have access to contact info I will reach out to the other owner you mentioned in your original post last year.

Keep the info flowing guys.  That's part of why we joined - to share our knowledge and get some where we lack it.
Currently in my "old car" herd:
1930 Ford Model A Tudor Sedan
1931 Ford Model A "rat rod" Pickup
1936 Chevrolet 5 Window Coupe
1937 Cadillac 6011 Two Door Sedan - Body #6
1956 Cadillac Sixty Special Fleetwood Sedan
1958 GMC 100 Series Fleetside Pickup
1961 Plymouth Belvedere
1973 Ford F100 Pickup
1978 Dodge D100 Pickup
1980 Shay Roadster
1983 Maxda RX7 (it is over 30 years old now!)

tozerco

That is the prettiest '37 60 series I've ever seen. I can hear Passmore salivating from here!
John Tozer
#7946

'37 7513
'37 7533

Steve Passmore

[quote
That is the prettiest '37 60 series I've ever seen. I can hear Passmore salivating from here!
[/quote]

Now come on John, have you forgotten you saw my convertible coupe? 8)
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

Barry M Wheeler #2189

Hi, Welcome to the Club. As I was scrolling down, and I came to the description of your car, I was amazed to find that your car was (probably) featured in the Self Starter some forty five years ago in the mimeo days. I will see if I can find the article. The clue was the folding seat. I think it was first ordered by a priest. Give me a few days and I'll hope that it wasn't in the loose leaf folder that got wet.
Barry M. Wheeler #2189


1981 Cadillac Seville
1991 Cadillac Seville

harry s

I checked the shop manual and data book and there is no mention of a 6011 2 dr sedan. This is very interesting.     Harry
Harry Scott 4195
1941 6733
1948 6267X
2011 DTS Platinum

Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

Guys,
It CLEARLY shows both the 5011 & the 6011 in the 1942 Cadillac Master Parts Book. Page # 18. It's one of the 5 body styles discussed. There's still one 6011 in the directory in North Carolina. He's a long time member. There's only 4 1937 5011's listed. Not a good survival rate out of 1801 made!
There's also a nice FACTORY photo of a 1938 LaSalle 5011 on page # 274 of the LaSalle book. It clearly shows the stock split front seat typical for 2 door cars.
HTH, Bob
1968 Eldorado slick top ,white/red interior
2015 Holden Ute HSV Maloo red/black interior.
             
Too much fun is more than you can have.

Barry M Wheeler #2189

#18
I was amazed that it only took me less than ten minutes to find the article. And it was only forty TWO years ago. April of 1972. I hope the page is large enough to read. If not, I will add the wording myself. Hopefully, you can squint a little and read the wording on the page. This is what we had to read in the "olden days" of the Club. It was difficult to use the phone on the days that the S/S arrived as the lines across the country were tied up by members trying to get first dibs on the parts listed in the for sale columns. Lots more than we have today.
Barry M. Wheeler #2189


1981 Cadillac Seville
1991 Cadillac Seville

harry s

Way to go Barry. Thanks for posting.     Harry
Harry Scott 4195
1941 6733
1948 6267X
2011 DTS Platinum