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41 60 special clutch disk installatino

Started by mr41cadillac, December 17, 2013, 07:11:01 PM

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mr41cadillac

which way does clutch disc face? one side sticks out more that the other. one  side  is flat ter than the other.the shop manual picture is not great but it says  the driven disc is installed with theoil guard toward the rear.whats the oil guard look like . thanks john   thanks john

mr41cadillac

please if anyone has an accurate picture it would be greatly appreciated john

Steve Passmore


They have no nuts on them John, beside, when the crescent shaped spacers are on there would not be enough thread.
As for the driven plate, they are different throughout the years along with the flywheels. Attached is a picture of my 36 engine with the deep recessed flywheel, the driven plate fits with the bulk of the springs inside this recess.  The dowels are sticking through as you can see with little thread showing. On 41 as I remember the bulk of the plate fits into the pressure plate, Usually they can only fit one way.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

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1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

mr41cadillac

my dowels stick in the engine side and the threaded side sticks out towards the rear like your dowels do but mine are longer and threaded. I know they were in like they are because they wee not removed thanks john

Steve Passmore

These in my picture have the threads on the outside just like yours, the picture just doesn't show it that well. I have never seen nuts on the ends of them. I believe the thread is for pulling the dowels out.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

mr41cadillac

ok thanks. I don't remember taking anything or nuts off, so I guess they cant fall off thanks

mr41cadillac

so im installing the clutch like this. the side with the  springs that stick out will go towards the pressure plate or facing the rear. and nothing goes on the threaded side of the prongs on the flywheel. in hope this is right, wish these manuals had good pictures thanks john

Bill Ingler #7799

Hi John: Here is a side blow up of the engine and clutch. Figure AO is a dowel which looks to me to be attached to the end of the crankshaft. Then it looks like the 2 dowels fits through the flywheel. If the end of those dowels are threaded then I assume that would be to accept nuts to hold & align the flywheel so the flywheel/crank bolts can be inserted. Bill

 

Steve Passmore

In all the cars I've had and engines worked on Bill I have never seen nuts on the ends of these dowels, of coarse thats not to say someone could have removed them all but even on a new in the crate wartime motor they were never there, that aside, my 36, 37 and 38 engines do not have enough thread showing once the flywheel is on to fix a nut to them.  Just my take.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

mr41cadillac

thanks for the picture. I will show to my friend today. I made pictures when I disassembled but cant find them. but I was very careful to place in separate bags the parts and there were no nuts for the threaded side of the dowels. and we will place the clutc h disc  with side where the springs stick out to face the pressure place toward the rear of the car. thanks again and if someone has any pictures of the clutch discplease let me know. I hope this is the right wat thanks john 

rismt

Here are two pictures of my clutch disc & pressure plate with the orientation of the disc to the flywheel and pressure plate. On my 1939 the springs face the flywheel. Hope this helps.
Bob Schwartz
Bob Schwartz
CLC Member #25646
Spokane, WA
1939 Cadillac Series 61 Sedan

Brad Ipsen CLC #737

The threads on the end of the dowels are only for removing them.  There is no room in the bell housing to move the flywheel back off the dowels so the dowels must be removed before the flywheel.  The sequence is remove 4 of the 6 flywheel bolts that hold the dowel retainer plates.  Then remove the dowels.  Remove the remaining two flywheel bolts and prepare for a heavy flywheel in your face as you take the flywheel off the slight step in the crankshaft that centers it.  A simple tool to remove the dowels can easily be made.  First get or make a long nut that will fit on the dowel.  Make an extension shaft about 3 inches long to fit the other side of this nut.  Cut a pipe that fits over this shaft but a little shorter and an ID bigger than the dowel.  Put a nut and washer on the end of the shaft.  As you tighten this against the pipe it will pull out the dowel.
Brad Ipsen
1940 Cadillac 60S
1938 Cadillac 9039
1940 Cadillac 6267
1940 LaSalle 5227
1949 Cadillac 6237X
1940 Cadillac 60S Limo

mr41cadillac

we have the clutch disc and pressure plate installed. we left the 2 dowels in. next question is this. after we install the yoke can you operate the clutch , before installin in the car to make sure it backs the pressure plate off the disc the proper amount? thanks for all everyone input, im learning alot as this is my 1st time personally doing engine and transmission. and as they say a man has to pay for his education. thanks john

Steve Passmore

I'm going to assume you have the clutch plate lined up with a guide of some sort John, I use an old gearbox front shaft, If you do then you can test the clutch but its best to fit the gearbox sleeve as that holds the bearing in position.
If you have no guide in there the clutch plate will drop out of alignment and will never fit on the transmission.
You'll have to have someone holding on that engine when you attept to operate that lever :o
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe