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Offline hearn

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Why not a show on grass?
« on: September 27, 2015, 09:13:44 PM »
I may be wrong but it seems that almost all if not all Grand National car shows take place on an asphalt parking lot.  I'm sure this is the most expedient plan but with the number of concours declining each year, it would seem that plenty of beautiful grassy venues are available for the choosing.  Any thoughts?  Jim

Offline Daddio

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2015, 10:14:51 AM »
Three of our best attended yearly shows here in Ontario are on grass.
One is in Lakeview Park in Oshawa, a beautifully treed area on the shores of Lake Ontario, the other is in Cobourg in Victoria Park, also treed with a public beach and one in Bothwell in their community park.
The Oshawa show was recently moved from the parking lot of GM headquarters where there was no shade except in the shadow of the buildings, so most cars were left to bake unattended. 
Nothing is more relaxing than sitting in the shade on a hot August day showing your car and explaining it to inquisitive spectators.
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Offline Smedly

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2015, 10:24:45 AM »
Cobourg and Oshawa, both very nice locations and good show.
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Offline 76eldo

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2015, 10:51:53 AM »
Personally I'd like to see the GN's held in a scenic and /or historic location.   

The Packard Club always has their National meet at a park or an estate somewhere in a beautiful location. Their rules state that cars have to be driven to the location. Trailers are left at the host hotel parking lot.

Many of the activities during the week are driving tours as well.

Coming to a GN and parking your car and never moving it for 5 days and holding the show in the Hotel parking lot seems to be the way a lot of us do the GN.

Brian
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Offline hearn

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2015, 12:57:39 PM »
Personally I'd like to see the GN's held in a scenic and /or historic location.   

The Packard Club always has their National meet at a park or an estate somewhere in a beautiful location. Their rules state that cars have to be driven to the location. Trailers are left at the host hotel parking lot.

Many of the activities during the week are driving tours as well.

Coming to a GN and parking your car and never moving it for 5 days and holding the show in the Hotel parking lot seems to be the way a lot of us do the GN.

Brian

The CLC should be doing it like the Packard folks do.  Wonder if we can expect a change in the future?

Offline Dan LeBlanc

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2015, 01:15:58 PM »
The Lake George Grand National was on the front lawn of the hotel.  Loved it.  Fantastic location.

Next year is in Vegas and the year after is in VA, both to be at the host hotels in metropolitan areas.

We well have to see what 2018 brings.
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Offline Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2015, 01:42:31 PM »
I think many appreciate the convenience of the show being held at the location of the host hotel.

Such an arrangement also helps provide better security/safety to show vehicles where parking access is limited to participants.

While it is generally more enjoyable to have a grass show field, finding locations with both the accommodation and a sufficiently large grass area will probably not be easy.   

 
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Offline Jason Edge

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2015, 03:12:16 PM »
Lake George was indeed the best of both worlds - convenience of being at the hotel and the spectacular view it had with cars wrapping around the hotel mostly on the grass.
Kinda hard to beat this view....

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Offline Jason Edge

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2015, 03:14:06 PM »
And another from Lake George for kicks and grins

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Offline Greg Powers

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2015, 03:24:10 PM »
I second the idea of security. If you hold a show in a park or public area the cars would have to be secured at another location prior to the show. There is enough confusion already getting cars into proper spots without adding this possibility for disorganization. As to Lake George, confusion and anxiety are two words that come to mind in regards to the placement of cars for judging. The other aspect of a Grand National is about the people, even more than the cars. Having a large host hotel makes the experience so much more enjoyable. And of course lastly, we have yet to learn how to control the weather. I have a feeling many of our owners would not want to display their cars is a marsh (often the condition of grassy lawns after several days of rain).  And as a judge I really don't like crawling around in the damp or wet grass. -Greg     
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Offline hearn

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2015, 04:27:38 PM »
I think many appreciate the convenience of the show being held at the location of the host hotel.

Such an arrangement also helps provide better security/safety to show vehicles where parking access is limited to participants.

While it is generally more enjoyable to have a grass show field, finding locations with both the accommodation and a sufficiently large grass area will probably not be easy.

With hotels, lodges, etc throughout the United States to choose from, finding ones with a great setting (not a parking lot) does not seem an overwhelming task.  Let's not let convenience dictate the event.

Offline Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2015, 04:47:55 PM »
With hotels, lodges, etc throughout the United States to choose from, finding ones with a great setting (not a parking lot) does not seem an overwhelming task.  Let's not let convenience dictate the event.

I have no dog in this race; only speculating on possible explanations.

I really have no idea what properties are available that fit the bill for the number of rooms needed, facility requirements, parking space etc.

In any case, it is usually the host region that makes that call.
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Offline hearn

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2015, 08:55:40 PM »
I second the idea of security. If you hold a show in a park or public area the cars would have to be secured at another location prior to the show. There is enough confusion already getting cars into proper spots without adding this possibility for disorganization. As to Lake George, confusion and anxiety are two words that come to mind in regards to the placement of cars for judging. The other aspect of a Grand National is about the people, even more than the cars. Having a large host hotel makes the experience so much more enjoyable. And of course lastly, we have yet to learn how to control the weather. I have a feeling many of our owners would not want to display their cars is a marsh (often the condition of grassy lawns after several days of rain).  And as a judge I really don't like crawling around in the damp or wet grass. -Greg   

How do the Packard folks do it?  There is certainly just as many nice Packards as Cadillacs at this type of event.

Offline 76eldo

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2015, 09:36:18 PM »
Security is not an issue at all.

Regarding the Packard Nationals, everything is based at the host hotel all week.

They just pick a scenic location within 20-30
Minutes of the host hotel to have the judging meet. It's always at a nice location.
I've driven Packards from the 30's 40's and 50's over the years including a 53 Caribbean this year belonging to my brother in law. He had three cars in the show.

The park they chose was not open to the public on this particular day.

Never had any security problems.

Brian
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Offline k8096

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2015, 09:15:24 PM »
The Cad/LaS National meet at Hammersmith Farm, Newport, RI in 1982 was on grass, as was the 1990 or 1991 Grand National in Cincinnati.     

The Packard meet this year in Reading, PA was at a small historic estate.  I'm thinking there were about 100 cars.  The Cad/Las meets get 300 plus cars, so the that excludes some intimate settings that are available due to the number of spaces needed.     

It's all about findings a site with good drainage.   It's rained the past 2 years on Friday of Hershey week, but the grass show field on Saturday (on a former golf course) was manageable.   
« Last Edit: September 29, 2015, 09:31:44 PM by k8096 »
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Offline hearn

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2015, 09:58:22 PM »
The Cad/LaS National meet at Hammersmith Farm, Newport, RI in 1982 was on grass, as was the 1990 or 1991 Grand National in Cincinnati.     

The Packard meet this year in Reading, PA was at a small historic estate.  I'm thinking there were about 100 cars.  The Cad/Las meets get 300 plus cars, so the that excludes some intimate settings that are available due to the number of spaces needed.     

It's all about findings a site with good drainage.   It's rained the past 2 years on Friday of Hershey week, but the grass show field on Saturday (on a former golf course) was manageable.   

1982, 1990 or 91.  That's a few years back but at least we know they can do it.

Large wineries are one option.  They usually have the grass and the drainage.  Also, they like having that many visitors.  And by the way, a good portion of GNs are West of the Rockies and rain isn't a huge problem for lots of the year.

Offline k8096

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2015, 10:08:58 PM »
Almost forgot, the 1984 National meet at Greenfield Village was obviously on grass too.    I still remember the tour through the Clark Street assembly plant that year.     
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Offline Dan LeBlanc

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2015, 07:58:26 AM »
I, for one, like the Grand Nationals the way they are done.  My next one will be 2017.  I'll have traveled over 800mi to attend, so it will be nice to pull the car off the trailer, into its assigned spot for the week, and leave it to go enjoy the tours and socializing with friends.  One thing I like about having a show on asphalt is the fact that I don't have to dust the car every 30 minutes.  My first time at Hershey was a sunny day, and, with a black Fleetwood, I found myself dusting the car every 30 minutes - especially being parked next to the gravel footpath near the food vendors.

In Lake George, with the car parked on the asphalt, I had to wipe off the dew in the morning and that was it.  On show day, when I moved onto the field, constantly dusting again.

Nothing worse than dust on a huge black car.
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Offline hearn

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2015, 12:52:24 PM »
I, for one, like the Grand Nationals the way they are done.  My next one will be 2017.  I'll have traveled over 800mi to attend, so it will be nice to pull the car off the trailer, into its assigned spot for the week, and leave it to go enjoy the tours and socializing with friends.  One thing I like about having a show on asphalt is the fact that I don't have to dust the car every 30 minutes.  My first time at Hershey was a sunny day, and, with a black Fleetwood, I found myself dusting the car every 30 minutes - especially being parked next to the gravel footpath near the food vendors.

In Lake George, with the car parked on the asphalt, I had to wipe off the dew in the morning and that was it.  On show day, when I moved onto the field, constantly dusting again.

Nothing worse than dust on a huge black car.

It sounds like a mountain being made out of a mole hill.  I have been associated with lots of big dark cars at many different grassy venues and never saw such dust drama.  Dust mops work wonders and it seems like a small sacrifice for so much more pleasant a show.  I agree that I would avoid the gravel footpath whether it was by a grassy field or an asphalt parking lot.

Offline Dan LeBlanc

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Re: Why not a show on grass?
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2015, 01:32:42 PM »
It sounds like a mountain being made out of a mole hill.

Just as was bringing up this whole topic.

I have a differing opinion and say why I like an asphalt show setting and you say it's making a mountain out of a molehill? 

We do have post Grand National surveys that attendees are encouraged to complete.  Last I heard, people were pretty satisfied with venue choices.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2015, 02:02:13 PM by Dan LeBlanc »
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