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Offline Tpicks55

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Best Paint
« on: November 22, 2015, 05:43:06 PM »
I was reading in a car mag and it was talking about types of paint to use on cars, classic types.  The point was made that purists should only use lacquer paint or enamel on vintage cars.  The two part paint should not be used because it looks fake and plastic.  Im not ready for paint at this stage but it is something to start to think about.  Id like all your opinions.  Thanks,  Tony
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Offline Bobby B

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Re: Best Paint
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2015, 07:24:42 PM »
Tony,
 Hi. Technically…Lacquer is really not sold over the counter anymore due to certain regulations. I didn't say you couldn't buy it …... ;). Point made. My question is why would you? It just doesn't hold up compared to today's products. Yes, it looks miles deep in certain colors, but truthfully just doesn't hold up compared to newer technology paints. Better results and finishes just as deep and smooth can be achieved with the proper prep, equipment, and product, without the inherent problems of lacquer which would involve cracking, crazing, etc. I will admit to my being stubborn and trying to hold out as long as I could before making the switch. I think I applied the last Gallon of Lacquer that Dupont sold. Then came Centari, Diamont, Glasurit, etc…….
                 Bobby
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Offline chrisntam

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Re: Best Paint
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2015, 12:11:29 AM »
Yep, basecoat, clearcoat is the way to go!

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Offline TonyZappone #2624

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Re: Best Paint
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2015, 06:40:48 AM »
I would use whatever modern brand single stage that experts on this forum could recommend.  Base coat-clear coat changes the color of the original paint.  I can remember the colors of the 50's and 60's, and they sure as heck didn't look like the glow in the dark look of color coat clear coat.
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Offline cadillac ken

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Re: Best Paint
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2015, 09:32:55 AM »
Enamels and lacquers are a thing of the past.  I defy anyone to tell me a show quality paint job produced in my shop can be told from a lacquer or enamel job. Be careful what you read in magazines.  I could tell you some real eye popping statements made in some articles I have read that are absolutely untrue.

As pointed out anyone using these types of paint are denying themselves the benefit of superior technology of todays formulated finishes.  Now with that said, I would agree that a single stage urethane does have a more "vintage" look, but only to the professional and trained eye-- most cannot tell what type of paint has been applied to a car simply by looking at the finish.

One of our customers was talked into a lacquer job on his 1958 Biscayne years ago. Our shop about that time built for the same customer a 1958 Apache pick up truck. We painted it with a base coat / clear coat system.  His Biscayne has seen very little use and it is showing crazing and cracks in the paint.  The truck still looks like the day it was delivered-- and it has been used and seen a lot more sunny days, by far, than the Impala has.

But or course there is no shortage of "experts" these days more than happy to give you their opinion.  Talk to the guys who have been doing it for over 30 years first and you will get the up to date facts on today's paint systems and why nobody uses lacquer or enamel anymore.

Offline Art Gardner CLC 23021

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Re: Best Paint
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2015, 11:54:36 AM »
I grew up in the paint and body business my dad started in 1964.  So I have seen us move from lacquer to enamel to urethane.  Hands down, the best paint to put on a car is urethane (be it single stage or two stage).  It is easier to paint and stays better looking much longer.  Far less maintenance than lacquer.  There is no comparison.

So just put urethane on it and be done with it.  Use an epoxy primer on the bare metal and the thing will last longer than most of us.  Biggest thing is to get the size and amount of metal flake correct in vintage "poly" paints -- way too many paint jobs look obviously modern and non-authentic regarding metal flake, not paint type... 
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Re: Best Paint
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2015, 02:15:40 PM »
Yes I think the best you will get now is just a good single stage. It does have a different look to it. I recently had the front of my F355 repainted with Glasurit single stage and refused to do it in base/clear so it matched the rest of the car.

Not as shiny but more depth is the way I would describe it.

Offline Tpicks55

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Re: Best Paint
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2015, 09:36:57 AM »
Thanks all for the responses.  That settles it for me as a good paint shop is all I will need now.
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