CALIFORNIA raised gasoline TAX 32 cents a gallon?

[V63]

It's already $1 a gallon higher than the national average, now another lofty 32 cents higher?

there is no better state to separate you from your money.

Good place to buy a used SUV! Lots of motivated sellers coming up!

[EAM 17806]

California is on its way to bankruptcy, that's why they have to do this which of course hurts the middle class and low income working man; the land of the losers!  EAM

["Cadillac Kid" Greg Surfas 15364]

With all due respects, California by itself has something like the 5th largest economy in the WORLD.  I don't know how it works but it does.  It is the largest automobile market in the country, so what goes on there basically shapes the industry in this country.
Greg Surfas

[David Greenburg]

The gas tax is being raised 12 cents/gallon to a total of 30 cents.  And CA can be a sanctuary for old Cadillacs.  Both of mine coincidentally originally hailed from the land of the tin worm, east of the Mississippi.  I don't drive them enough to worry about the gas taxes.  A small price to pay for being able to enjoy my cars year round. 

[Steve Passmore]

Dwell on this guys. Our fuel is around $6.50 a gallon. 70% of that is Tax. The highest in Europe.

[30326]

In Sweden we pay about 14,4 SEK per liter 98 octane. One US gallon is close to 3,8 liter. One US dollar is around 8,50 SEK. So that gives us a price of 54,7 SEK for each US gallon. Exchanging that into US dollars is roughly 6,50 US dollar per US gallon.

And as Steve Passmore so correctly states the main part is taxes. And the taxes are constantly being increased. Biggest worry now for the people in charge is how they will be able to tax electrical cars. They are even suggesting that electrical cars should have a device fitted counting kilometer/miles and making sure you pay the same tax for each kilometer/miles as you pay today when buying gasoline.

[V63]

Did I hear correctly that France is planning on banning all fossil fueled vehicles in the near future?

[30326]

Yes, and its not only France. Other countries are talking about the same thing. Some cities now have a ban on diesel driven cars (Oslo). In Stockholm one! street has a ban on using studded tires.

The worst part however is that the politicians of the city of Stockholm after the last election decided to make a new policy regarding snow removing. They decided that snow removing should be done i feministic way. Meaning that areas that women frequent more than men should have priority. So focus should be on sidewalks and public transportation. Well when we got 2 feet of snow one day in November last year all streets were blocked by cars, trucks, buses so the snow removers was not able to reach and clear the sidewalks or being able to clear public transportation lanes. The whole city was forced stopped. Nothing was working. If the snow removers would have been able to do the job the normal way it would have been some delays, but at least the main streets would have been kept open and sidewalks could have been cleared in a normal fashion. Now it was a complete grid-lock.

[jagbuxx #12944]

Yes, our cookoo bird Governor and his team of Liberal representative decided to  raise the gas tax .12, diesel tax .20 plus raising the license fees to help pay for "road repair". I guess the existing taxes that we have been paying on fuel have been funding his train to nowhere, sanctuary city/state dreams, benefits/protections for illegals etc
It is out of control

[V63]

I purchased a 70's Cadillac for $2,500 in California.

I went to register it in AZ, and I was informed that CA wanted $900 in 'non op' fees???

A special return trip to CA was necessitated ...where only answer was to pay them $900. 

[Scot Minesinger]

Let's shut this down, 12 cents a gallon is not worth writing about when our toys cost an average of ten thousand dollars or more.  California is a nice place to live and it costs a lot to live there, that is about all there is to it.

[EAM 17806]

With all due respects, California by itself has something like the 5th largest economy in the WORLD.  I don't know how it works but it does.  It is the largest automobile market in the country, so what goes on there basically shapes the industry in this country.
Greg Surfas

They may have the 5th largest economy in the world but they sure do not know how to run it properly for the unfortunates who live there!  EAM

["Cadillac Kid" Greg Surfas 15364]

Ev,
With all due respects, last I heard there are no guards at the border keeping people from leaving.  Everyplace is different and so are people.  People go to where they are comfortable and it really does seem that California sets the trend in just about all things for the rest of the country. Like it or not.
Greg Surfas

[quadfins]

This is a gentle admonition to keep posts related to Cadillac topics, and not devolve into politics or other non-Cadillac topics that do not belong in this forum.

Your friendly be-finned moderator,

Jim

["Cadillac Kid" Greg Surfas 15364]

thanks Jim
Greg Surfas

["Cadillac Kid" Greg Surfas 15364]

This is still off the subject, but from first hand experience;
1.Registration and title are of course separate.
2. ANYTHING can have a lein on it, for ANY reason.
3. What on earth are you trying to say?
Greg Surfas

[59-in-pieces]

I live here in Cali. and I agree with everything negative said by others about this State.
Our Governor - called MOON BEAM - and, we are the State of "fruits and nuts", and have a huge "GNP".
Back on topic before I get shunned.
The increase in gas fees does effect the working class stiff - and not so much the retiree (who doesn't commute to work and back) or the weekend classic driver and like someone said - it's a small price to pay for a weekend jaunt - thanks Mr. Rockefeller for that observation.
Because our cars - classics or not - are personal property assets - and as such - maybe assessed with unpaid fees, fines, levies, and liens - all of which must be paid for title to pass clean to the buyer - the result is often to increase the cost to buy, and effect the negotiations - if known.
And NO they are not enumerated on an ownership document - like a "pink Slip" - title.
The State is prohibited from assessing Willie Nillie added taxes on our real property (land & improvements- largest assets we have) because of our Proposition 13 which put a ceiling on the taxes, with small escalations over time - which stifled the taxation of the State and put the burden of raising more money for its bloated bureaucracy on personal property - like cars.
The fees associated with ownership of a car - classic or otherwise, car or truck, is Licensing Fee AND Registration Fee for vehicles intended to be used on the road.
The "Non-Op fee" (also due annually) was enacted - in part - to make up for cars which were no longer Licensed or Registered and as a result did not use gas which reduced that fuel tax revenue as well.
The Lic & Reg fees for the longest time declined over time based on the age of the car, but no more - mine have gone up for the past couple of years, again to help feed the gluttonous State Gov.
So. as far as transferring title to a Cali car, do your research through our Dept. of Motor Vehicles - and prepare for endless delays on the phone, or return of written inquiries.
The best of the worst ways is to visit a local DMV office - call or go on line for an appointment - show up and get your report.
Well, there is another way far less painful, if you are a member of perhaps the AAA (Automobile Club of SoCal), call make an appointment and they will print out a report of the unpaid fees and those fees for transferring title from the seller - wait for it and the State Sales Tax.
Long story short, buying or selling vehicles in Cali may not be easy, not be cheap as it may have been even in the recent past - OH and be careful of scammers.
Have fun,
Steve B.

[EAM 17806]

I live here in Cali. and I agree with everything negative said by others about this State.
Our Governor - called MOON BEAM - and, we are the State of "fruits and nuts", and have a huge "GNP".
Back on topic before I get shunned.
The increase in gas fees does effect the working class stiff - and not so much the retiree (who doesn't commute to work and back) or the weekend classic driver and like someone said - it's a small price to pay for a weekend jaunt - thanks Mr. Rockefeller for that observation.
Because our cars - classics or not - are personal property assets - and as such - maybe assessed with unpaid fees, fines, levies, and liens - all of which must be paid for title to pass clean to the buyer - the result is often to increase the cost to buy, and effect the negotiations - if known.
And NO they are not enumerated on an ownership document - like a "pink Slip" - title.
The State is prohibited from assessing Willie Nillie added taxes on our real property (land & improvements- largest assets we have) because of our Proposition 13 which put a ceiling on the taxes, with small escalations over time - which stifled the taxation of the State and put the burden of raising more money for its bloated bureaucracy on personal property - like cars.
The fees associated with ownership of a car - classic or otherwise, car or truck, is Licensing Fee AND Registration Fee for vehicles intended to be used on the road.
The "Non-Op fee" (also due annually) was enacted - in part - to make up for cars which were no longer Licensed or Registered and as a result did not use gas which reduced that fuel tax revenue as well.
The Lic & Reg fees for the longest time declined over time based on the age of the car, but no more - mine have gone up for the past couple of years, again to help feed the gluttonous State Gov.
So. as far as transferring title to a Cali car, do your research through our Dept. of Motor Vehicles - and prepare for endless delays on the phone, or return of written inquiries.
The best of the worst ways is to visit a local DMV office - call or go on line for an appointment - show up and get your report.
Well, there is another way far less painful, if you are a member of perhaps the AAA (Automobile Club of SoCal), call make an appointment and they will print out a report of the unpaid fees and those fees for transferring title from the seller - wait for it and the State Sales Tax.
Long story short, buying or selling vehicles in Cali may not be easy, not be cheap as it may have been even in the recent past - OH and be careful of scammers.
Have fun,  Thank GOD we have a few basically intelligent people in Socialist Land California!  EAM
Steve B.

[David Greenburg]

Actually, judging from Silicon Valley real estate listings, the capitalist system seems to be working very well here. The DMV can be cumbersome and bureaucratic, but I've certainly seen that in other states as well.  Instead of the interminable phone delays of the past, they now have a system where you call and leave your number, and they call you back. I have found the people on the other end to be responsive and helpful with convoluted registration questions (like bringing a car in from Canada); much more so than the clerks you face in person. My MO is to call them and work through any issues/ forms on the phone before showing up in person.  And yes, if it's an issue that AAA can handle, that can save a lot of time.

[gary griffin]

Regarding taxing electric cars Washington state was talking about an electronic device that will transport your mileages electronically to the state computer similar to the way cell phones are tracked by the Federal government.  I was born in 1940 and at about 12 years old I saw a movie called 1984 which scared the heck out of me, and I actually did read the book in 1984 to see haw accurate the predictions were.  We are way beyond that now for sure, is Fahrenheit 451 in the near future??