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1938 Heater/Defrost vents

Started by Rich888, January 15, 2018, 01:02:34 PM

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Rich888

Hi Guys,

Just in the process of refurbishing the heater in my 1938 Model 60 coupe. I've had the heater re-cored and been through the electrics and all in working pretty good.

However I am now trying to connect the two 1 3/4" defrost outlets from the heater to the vents under the windscreen (behind the dash). I have soured the correct hose but I think I’m missing something vital to connect the hoses to the vents. Obviously the hose is round and the vents are long slots so I assume there is a "nozzle" of some kind which bolts to the underside of the dash which then connects to the round hose?

My questions are:

Firstly am I right in my assumption?

Secondly would anyone have a pair they are willing to part with?

Or does anyone have some pictures/diagrams they could share so I could try and fabricate some myself?

Hope someone can help

Rich

Steve Passmore

Yes, it's a fitting rather like the end of a vacuum cleaner. They may be slightly different for different years but I have a pair for 1941 that you might make work.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

Barry M Wheeler #2189

This is something you might wish to pay Ed's price for. Try AllCads. Having the right thing to put in a narrow place might be worth the cost.
Barry M. Wheeler #2189


1981 Cadillac Seville
1991 Cadillac Seville

Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

Barry,
We all know you LOVE Ed!! I feel you're assuming that "HE" is the only guy that could possibly have the correct part. At a premium price of course. Looks like several other people might have the correct part. Lets give them a chance first!! If you really want to help, find someone with the correct parts in their car  to post pics.
Bob
1968 Eldorado slick top ,white/red interior
2015 Holden Ute HSV Maloo red/black interior.
             
Too much fun is more than you can have.

Steve Passmore

I have them Bob but it's not possible to take pics where they are situated. The 41 type may have a different angle on the pipe outlet but I'm sure the angle could easily be altered to accommodate. I would do that in a heartbeat for something completely unseen. Of course, if someone has the correct type that would be great but 37/38 option parts are not so available.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

Steve,
I have a number of them. There are a lot of differences.The only ones that are marked are the 41 style. I know it's impossible to photograph  them in place. I'm just trying to help you, Harry, me or someone else make a sale.
Bob
1968 Eldorado slick top ,white/red interior
2015 Holden Ute HSV Maloo red/black interior.
             
Too much fun is more than you can have.

Rich888

Thanks guys for the advice so far.


I haven't tried phoning round the specialist suppliers just yet as thought i would try on here first and see if anyone can help (and help them maybe make a little cash).


Steve, I might well be interested in your 41s if nothing turns up. I've studded dash photos of 41's as close as I can and the basic set up of the windscreen, its internal surround and its vents looks as far as i can tell the same as my 38. Of course you cant be certain its not a totally different set up underneath but it does look like a strong possibility. If they are still fitted to a car please don't spend time rolling around under dash just yet but i might be back to you for a few basic measurements if no luck on a pair of 38s.


Cheers


Rich

Steve Passmore

I have a pair off the car Rich but Bob is the best bet as he said he has some and he's much closer to you than I.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

John Washburn CLC 1067 Sadly deceased.

Rich,

I have a set and can take a picture to show you what they look like. These are off a 37 but believe them to be correct will check my 38 to see if they are.

The Johnny
John Washburn
CLC #1067
1937 LaSalle Coupe
1938 6519F Series Imperial Sedan
1949 62 Series 4 Door
1949 60 Special Fleetwood
1953 Coupe DeVille
1956 Coupe DeVille
1992 Eldorado Touring Coupe America Cup Series

Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

Quote from: Steve Passmore on January 15, 2018, 06:52:07 PM
I have a pair off the car Rich but Bob is the best bet as he said he has some and he's much closer to you than I.
Steve, thanks, but I can't find my 41's & the MPL shows them as a 2" inlet. I have 6 vents that I have no idea what they fit. I think the Johnny's input will help a lot.
Bob
1968 Eldorado slick top ,white/red interior
2015 Holden Ute HSV Maloo red/black interior.
             
Too much fun is more than you can have.

Rich888

Hi Johnny

Those 37s sounds promising, let me know when you’ve had a chance to compare them to your 38. If they look good then let me know how much you’re looking for them.

Oh by the way not sure if you would have picked up on it but I’m in London, England so hope that’s not a problem for you to post to the UK?

Cheers

Rich

Steve Passmore

Well, that bowled me over Rich. For one I'm in Bristol and I too owned a 38 60 coupe. I didn't know there was another in the UK. I sold it to a friend in Cornwall. He will be tickled pink to know there's another. pictures, please?
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

Barry M Wheeler #2189

Well, this will not especially help Bob, but Rich, one thing you probably don't know as yet, but when you join the CLC one thing you will come to love is your worldwide Directory. In it are listed all of the members cars, included those in the United Kingdom such as Steve's. I have no doubt that within the next few days, you and he will meet, or at least converse at length, and you might be rummaging in his boxes of parts. Or at the least, it won't cost you so much to get some parts into your hands and you will be that much closer to solving your problems.

Bob, I will try to remember (After supper I completely forgot a church committee meeting last night as the local news mentioned that a man from IN was going to be on Jeopardy and I watched that instead) that you have parts too. The parts needed were ones that most folks don't usually have readily to hand, especially '37/'38, and that was the main reason I mentioned the firm that I did. I usually mention them as a last resort as their prices are, well, you know...
Barry M. Wheeler #2189


1981 Cadillac Seville
1991 Cadillac Seville

Rich888

Hi Steve

Yes I remember your car and in fact seeing it advertised for sale is what got me interested in the model. I did contact you at the time but you had already sold it by then however it was one of the main reasons I sought out my own car.

I think the guys in the US might know of my car as I understand it has been around on the circuit for a number of years and as far as I can trace it has changed hands a number of times over the past few years. I bought it into the UK in the summer of 2016 and it’s all up and running (all be it there are a number of minor jobs to sort out !!!) but I haven’t been to any major shows with it as I’m not much of a show and shine kind of person, I’m just enjoying driving it around.

Rich


Steve Passmore

Yes, I remember seeing it for sale.  Send me a PM if you want help with anything.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

John Washburn CLC 1067 Sadly deceased.

Rich,

Unfortunately I don't have the complete unit. What I have is the top piece that goes on the dash and points the hot air at the window. The part that goes to the hose, below the dash is connected to and this what holds it all together.

Not sure what happened to the other two bottom pieces. But this may help you in your search.

John Washburn
John Washburn
CLC #1067
1937 LaSalle Coupe
1938 6519F Series Imperial Sedan
1949 62 Series 4 Door
1949 60 Special Fleetwood
1953 Coupe DeVille
1956 Coupe DeVille
1992 Eldorado Touring Coupe America Cup Series

Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

Johnny,
Thanks for posting. I guess I forgot about those parts. It's been years since I had a 37.
Rich, I have 6 various  under dash vents. All 1 3/4" inlet. When you find out exactly what you need, I'll be happy to compare with what I have.
Bob
1968 Eldorado slick top ,white/red interior
2015 Holden Ute HSV Maloo red/black interior.
             
Too much fun is more than you can have.

John Washburn CLC 1067 Sadly deceased.

Bob,

Glad to help. Seems that I can remember stuff by trying to retrieve it is not so good.

Hope all is well.

the Johnny
John Washburn
CLC #1067
1937 LaSalle Coupe
1938 6519F Series Imperial Sedan
1949 62 Series 4 Door
1949 60 Special Fleetwood
1953 Coupe DeVille
1956 Coupe DeVille
1992 Eldorado Touring Coupe America Cup Series

Rich888

Hi Johnny

Thanks for sparing the time to dig out you parts and take a look anyway.

Bob  â€" I’ll have a wiggle under the dash this weekend and see if I can get some basic measurements down. I guess the critical ones are the distance between the mounting holes and the width of the slot. If the angle of the inlet is slightly out I can probably “jiggle” it a bit to get it to work

Cheers

Rich

Steve Passmore

Rich, this is a picture of the 1941 type. They have a larger hose fitting but have no 'offset' which is useful. The biggest question is this, do you have the vent slot holes in your dash?  My 38 coupe did not!  Without these, it's no good going any further.
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe