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1937 Lasalle transmission caged roller bearing

Started by Chris Pring, June 08, 2018, 01:27:29 PM

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Chris Pring

Can anyone point me in the direction of a supplier for the caged roller bearing that goes inside the gear on the clutch connection shaft and locates the main shaft. I believe it is called the main shaft pilot bearing. The dimensions are:

OD: 1 5/8" (1.625")
ID: 1 1/8" (1.125")
Length: 3/4" (0.75")

I am based in the UK and it is proving impossible to find over here. I have spoken to George at Olcar Bearings but no luck with him.

Thanks

CP


Steve Passmore

Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

Jay Friedman

1949 Cadillac 6107 Club Coupe
1932 Ford V8 Phaeton (restored, not a rod).  Sold
Decatur, Georgia
CLC # 3210, since 1984
"If it won't work, get a bigger hammer."

Chris Pring


Chris Pring

Quote from: Jay Friedman on June 08, 2018, 11:28:47 PM
Try Northwest Transmissions   nwtparts.com/


Thanks again Jay â€" Northwest Transmissions had that bearing. NOS made in West Germany. Now being fitted into a '37 LaSalle transmission which in turn will go back into a '51 Allard J2.

Steve Passmore

Did you try to find that bearing here first Chris? as anything made in Europe is usually available here through 'Bremmer Bearings' or 'Antifriction'
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe

Jay Friedman

Chris, please tell us more about the Allard: motor?, photos?
1949 Cadillac 6107 Club Coupe
1932 Ford V8 Phaeton (restored, not a rod).  Sold
Decatur, Georgia
CLC # 3210, since 1984
"If it won't work, get a bigger hammer."

Chris Pring

Quote from: Jay Friedman on June 28, 2018, 10:39:00 AM
Chris, please tell us more about the Allard: motor?, photos?

Hi Jay,

The J2 is a UK car that was originally delivered with an Ardun OHV converted Mercury engine. Like most J2s, it had the English Ford 3-speed transmission. The '37 La Salle transmission came from the US many years ago. It came complete with the Offenhauser 3840 bell housing and Ford torque tube conversion. The current engine is a Mercury with repro Ardun heads.

We had the transmission apart because it crunches changing up to 3rd gear and again going back into 2nd. It was also losing oil from the gear stick tower.

Apart from that bearing, which had twisted slightly probably due to an alignment issue with the engine/bell housing, we can't see much wrong with the transmission, but we are going to look at the detent springs in the synchro unit to see if they need replacing. Any other thoughts are welcome

We have read on this forum about how to fix the oil leak in the stick tower and we are also going to fit a breather that empties into a catch tank allowing any oil displaced by pressure to drain back.

This forum has been very useful in learning about this transmission and the tips on how to cure the common issues.

Chris

Chris Pring

Quote from: Steve Passmore on June 28, 2018, 09:22:19 AM
Did you try to find that bearing here first Chris? as anything made in Europe is usually available here through 'Bremmer Bearings' or 'Antifriction'

Steve, The shop working on the transmission did try their regular suppliers in the UK (I can't say if they included those two) but apart from an SKF needle roller that was close to within a few 1/1000" we couldn't find an exact replacement. Chris

Jay Friedman

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Quote from: Chris Pring on June 29, 2018, 07:25:57 AMWe had the transmission apart because it crunches changing up to 3rd gear and again going back into 2nd. It was also losing oil from the gear stick tower.

Apart from that bearing, which had twisted slightly probably due to an alignment issue with the engine/bell housing, we can't see much wrong with the transmission, but we are going to look at the detent springs in the synchro unit to see if they need replacing. Any other thoughts are welcome.  Chris

Some years ago Northwest Transmissions (www.nwtparts.com) in Ohio told me that they can rebuild the synchro units.  Apparently, what goes wrong is that the grooves in the "rings" get smooth, causing the synchro to no longer work.  If I remember, they charge $225 for each of the 2 rings, but you'd better get in touch with them yourself.  Ask them about the detent springs, too.

As mentioned in previous posts, Olcar Bearing Company in Southern Pines, North Carolina sells all the bearings for the transmission, including all the little needle bearings, for a reasonable cost.
1949 Cadillac 6107 Club Coupe
1932 Ford V8 Phaeton (restored, not a rod).  Sold
Decatur, Georgia
CLC # 3210, since 1984
"If it won't work, get a bigger hammer."

Hilarius

Hilmar Schneider #26898
1930-162, "353", 4D-SDN-7P
1940-7567, 2D-CCP-2/4P
1948-7519X, 4D-SDN-5P
1952-6019X, 4D-SDN-5P
1973 Mercedes 107R, 2D-CCP-2P
2015 Cadillac SRX, 4D-SDN-5P

Steve Passmore

Do you realize that company is Chinese Hilmar??
Steve

Present
1937 60 convertible coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe
1941 62 coupe

Previous
1936 70 Sport coupe
1937 85 series V12 sedan
1938 60 coupe
1938 50 coupe
1939 60S
1940 62 coupe
1941 62 convertible coupe x2
1941 61 coupe
1941 61 sedan x2
1941 62 sedan x2
1947 62 sedan
1959 62 coupe