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fuel line from carb to filter

Started by Daryl Chesterman, October 25, 2018, 03:11:30 PM

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Daryl Chesterman

I finally acquired the fuel filter assembly for the 59 Deville, with A/C, but I am having a hard time finding the fuel line that connects the filter assembly to the Carter AFB carburetor.  The previous owner had used an inline filter, and a tee for the by-pass line along with hose.  I am trying to find the steel tubing make it original.  I ordered one from USA Parts, and it is too long.  I talked to Classic Tube, and theirs is too long also.  Could anyone supply a picture of how the line is connected, and a possible supplier?  Caddy Daddy shows a line, but it looks wrong, because of the bends.  I know there are many on this board who have a 59 Deville, so I am hoping someone can help out with a picture and possible source for the steel line.

Thank you!
Daryl Chesterman

Gabe Davis

#1
Hi Daryl,

Check out this thread I posted in earlier. It has some shots from the manual of what the fuel filter setup looked like. They are small and in the background but they are there. I have not gone down the path of trying to recreate this line as I have not yet had my original Carter AFB rebuilt. I am running an Edelbrock at the moment which is connected via a rubber line from the filter assembly.

http://forums.cadillaclasalleclub.org/index.php?topic=151119.0
1959 Coupe DeVille
Rosewood with Dover White Top

Daryl Chesterman

Thank you Gabe for your response.  I had used the pictures of your previous post to show me how to mount the fuel filter assembly to the fuel pump.  Now I just have to find the correct steel line that goes from the filter assembly to the Carter carburetor.  When I find a source for that line, I will have accomplished the restoration of the fuel system.

TonyZappone #2624

On my '58 convertible, Rochester Carb, no air conditioning, I have purchased three lines, none of them fit.  If anyone has the solution for this one also, I would appreciate it.
Tony Zappone, #2624
1936 Pierce-Arrow conv sed
1947 Cadillac Conv cpe
1958 Cadillac conv
2016 Cadillac CT6 Platinum
2022 Chrysler Pacifica Pinnacle

Maynard Krebs

Be exceptionally careful by guarding against fuel leaks.. when any fuel line goes across and above the engine or exhaust manifolds.   I understand that a lot of non-A/C Cads "burned to the water line" as a result of 'just a little leak'.

Cape Cod Fleetwood

In Line Tube will make you one, exactly as you want it.

\m/
Laurie

https://www.inlinetube.com/
There are 2 kinds of cars in the world, Cadillac and everything else....

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The Past -
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fishnjim

I'd just make one.   A hunk of steel tubing, bender, and a flare tool.   I'd do it 4 U, if I had dimensions but...   I'm not sure how close to the '58.   Should be about the same but your's is A/C, I'm not.
Someone has one in a parts car or on a shelf somewhere.   But if you know the routing from the picture, etc. you can figure it out with a ruler.   If you're tubing challenged, I doubt you'll "buy a new one" unless it's NOS or used.   Those are parts that aren't usually available except from the manufacture and they expire after a time, but the "makings" remain.   
Try the NOS guys or all cads.   That'll convince you to make one when they want as much as the tools and tubing.   Or find a friend who bends and flares.   Any good mechanic.

Paul

I had the same issue. I ordered one for the carter and then used a tube bending tool to make one bend and hook it up. The path is not exactly original, but it’s close. This was the easiest way. I tried bending and flaring my own tube but ended up with leaks. Good luck.
59 Caddy, Seminole Red with Dover White top

gkhashem

#8
Here is the correct fuel line set up for a non A/C car. Also a Rochester carburetor that by the way runs beautifully.

I feel confident it is original. The car had an AC fuel pump on it that had blue paint on the bottom of it at the time of purchase.

The fuel pump failed after about 10 months of use. The car had gone about 600 miles in 15 years so when it was used from hibernation the fuel pump failed. I had it rebuilt but have never put it back on. When I do I will repaint it Cadillac blue.

Fuel pump on it is an Airtex an exact appearance of the original except for the AC on the cap.

The worm clamp may be different on the gas line hose. The original may have had a Corbin clamp in it. I do not remember. I suspect it did.

The service manual photo from the other post appears to have a fitting on the end of the gas line hose. Very interesting as to what was there originally.



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fishnjim

The '58 will be similar to the '59 but different part numbers.
The ('58) Rochester carb(below) has a straight center fuel port*.   The brass pipe connections from the fuel pump to the filter are the same.   The '58 set-up typically is "in line", but you may have to rotate filter on axis to get the line on keeping clear of the valve cover.
Best just to make one.  Won't show much with air cleaner on.   Going to be "S" shaped.   I thought I had a '58 Rochester engine picture but can't find - too many to keep track of.   If you have one you bought that's close but long, then cut and bend one end to fit and  reflare (SAE 45 double inverted).   Reuse the flare nut, make sure you put on and in right direction before you bend or flare the final end.
You can contact the '58 owners club and see if anyone has an original picture.   I belong but no longer access their site.
* - The '58 Carter carb side entry - line "L" shaped goes up and straight back to right 90 for left side entry.

MY 59

Let me know if you still want a pic
I have a AC Deville with a Carter
David Bone :)

1959 Cadillac Sedan Deville
1967 (aussie) ZA ford Fairlane

Jon S

Quote from: Cape Cod Fleetwood on November 09, 2018, 01:11:49 AM
In Line Tube will make you one, exactly as you want it.

\m/
Laurie

https://www.inlinetube.com/

I ordered from them and there was no way the part could ever fit. I had a local shop make one up for 1/4 the cost and it fit like a glove.
Jon

1958 Cadillac Sedan De Ville
1973 Lincoln Continental Coupe
1981 Corvette
2004 Mustang GT

Daryl Chesterman

David, could you take a top view and a right side view(as best as you can--the A/C compressor is in the way)  of your fuel line set up?  Is yours factory original, or did you have to have one made?  I have just left the hose in place for now while I am working on other problems.  Thank you in advance.

Thanks to all who have posted suggestions.  It looks like I will probably have to make a line as there doesn't seem to be any OEM lines available.  I emailed All Cadillacs, a week ago, and they did not respond.

Daryl Chesterman

Cape Cod Fleetwood

Quote from: Jon S on November 15, 2018, 05:46:13 PM
I ordered from them and there was no way the part could ever fit. I had a local shop make one up for 1/4 the cost and it fit like a glove.

Did they refund your money?

\m/
Laurie
There are 2 kinds of cars in the world, Cadillac and everything else....

The Present -1970 Fleetwood Brougham

The Past -
1996 Deville Concours
1987 Sedan De Ville "Commonwealth Edition"
1981 Coupe De Ville (8-6-4)
1976 Sedan De Ville
1975 Sedan De Ville

The Daily Driver and work slave -
2008 GMC Acadia SLT *options/all

Jon S

Jon

1958 Cadillac Sedan De Ville
1973 Lincoln Continental Coupe
1981 Corvette
2004 Mustang GT

MY 59

Hi Daryl, I hope this is of some help
As far as I know it is factory original?
David Bone :)

1959 Cadillac Sedan Deville
1967 (aussie) ZA ford Fairlane

Daryl Chesterman

David, thank you so much for the pictures!  This clarifies why I thought the line that was sent to me was wrong.  I don't have the glass bowl filter oriented properly!  I just went straight out from the pump, with the filter.  I need to get a 90 degree elbow for the filter outlet, and change the filter orientation, and I think I will be in business.  As has been said before, "A picture is worth a thousand words"!  Thank you again!!!

Daryl Chesterman