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1949 Front Carpet

Started by Paul Phillips, November 22, 2018, 05:01:42 PM

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Paul Phillips

The hydraulic power seat cylinder on my 49 60 Special (6069X) recently failed and leaked a lot of fluid, ruining the front carpet. My preferred upholstery guy has a pattern that is marked for a Series 62 sedan. Does anyone know if that the front is the same on the 62 and 60 Special?  I only have a master chassis parts manual, but this should be listed in the master body parts manual, if someone can look that up.  The carpet is really too much of a mess to ship to the upholstery guy.

Thanks!
Paul
Paul Phillips CLC#27214
1941 60 Special (6019S)
1949 60 Special (6069X)
1937 Packard Super 8 Convertible Victoria
1910 Oakland Model 24 Runabout

Jay Friedman

Paul,

Carpet is listed in my 1935-55 Master Part List under Group No. 34.4060. 

'49 Series 61 and 62 coupe and sedan carpet is listed as being blue or brown depending on the trim code. 

'49 CDVs and converts have carpet that is black, tan, green, blue or red depending on the trim code. 

1949 Series 60 carpet is listed as being:
1. gray for trim codes 44, 44C, 45 and 45C;
2. tan for trim codes 46, 46C, 47 and 47C;
3. green for trim codes 48, 48C, 49 and 49C.

The tan and green carpet for CDVs and convertibles have a different part number than those color carpets for Series 60, but it doesn't say what the differences are.  The tan and green carpets for Series 60 are listed as being $6-7 more than those color carpets in CDVs and converts.  I would think the front floor space is the same, but don't know for certain.   

Jay


1949 Cadillac 6107 Club Coupe
1932 Ford V8 Phaeton (restored, not a rod).  Sold
Decatur, Georgia
CLC # 3210, since 1984
"If it won't work, get a bigger hammer."

Paul Phillips

Thanks Jay. Does make you wonder if it is a nuance of the trim differences - maybe a different grade of carpet or something about the binding material or color.

If you get a chance, could you look to see if the front floor pan is the same?  That would confirm dimensions are same & difference is something in the trim materials.

Thanks!
Paul
Paul Phillips CLC#27214
1941 60 Special (6019S)
1949 60 Special (6069X)
1937 Packard Super 8 Convertible Victoria
1910 Oakland Model 24 Runabout

Barry M Wheeler #2189

Paul,I just checked in the 1949 Data Book. Front seat dimensions are the same for Series 62/60S. (Where can you get that information at 11:20 on Thanksgiving evening except from CLC people?)
Barry M. Wheeler #2189


1981 Cadillac Seville
1991 Cadillac Seville

Alan Harris CLC#1513

I recall reading that the 1948 and 1949 cars used the same bodies for the series 61 and series 62. I can't recall if the 60 Special used the same body. I suspect that it did because there was no new body for the limousine in 1948 or 1949.

Even if the carpet is ruined, couldn't it still be measured and then compared with the pattern the upholsterer has?

Paul Phillips

Barry - you are right - CLC folks are great!  Thanks for the info.

Alan - 60S has 7" extra wheelbase length and almost 11.75" extra total length, but it seems to be in the rear seat area and trunk.  That is what I am hoping to confirm.  The 61 & 62 series were Fisher bodies, and the 60S & 75 series were Fleetwood bodies, according to the factory service manual.  That allows for the possibility of variation between the two plants.  The old carpet could be used for a pattern, if  I must, but it has gained several pounds and is dripping with ATF, which is what the power hydraulic system is filled with.  I will need to 'shampoo' it, probably several times, to make it suitable to ship.  I want to avoid that path, if at all possible.

If someone can look up the front floor pan section in the Master Body Parts manual (probably group 35) for the 49 to confirm they are the same, that would seal it! 

Thanks!
Paul
Paul Phillips CLC#27214
1941 60 Special (6019S)
1949 60 Special (6069X)
1937 Packard Super 8 Convertible Victoria
1910 Oakland Model 24 Runabout

Jay Friedman

#6
Wouldn't you know it, for 1949 in Group 35 in my Master Parts List almost all body panels are listed except the toe panel and the front and rear floor panels.  They are indicated by an arrow in the exploded diagram of the body shell, but the arrow is labelled "N.L." (which I assume means "not listed").  However, some of the other parts in the front half of the body seem to be common to Series 61/62 and to Series 60.

In fact, as Barry wrote, the front seat is the same in Series 60 and Series 61/62 and, as Paul wrote, it has also been my understanding that the differences in the Series 60 body (and chassis) are to the rear of the front seat, so I think it is a reasonable assumption that the dimensions of the front carpet in Series 60 are the same as in Series 61/62. 

Alan, Series 61 and 62 in '49 use the same body shell.  The differences are in the exterior and interior trim as well as the upholstery.

PS Had to work off some of that turkey last night by lifting and searching through my M.P.L., which is heavier than our old telephone books (remember those?).
1949 Cadillac 6107 Club Coupe
1932 Ford V8 Phaeton (restored, not a rod).  Sold
Decatur, Georgia
CLC # 3210, since 1984
"If it won't work, get a bigger hammer."

Paul Phillips

Thanks Jay - glad you got your turkey-reducing exercise!

I appreciate the help from all in trying to answer this.  I will post the 'final' answer after the replacement carpet is proven to fit.

Paul
Paul Phillips CLC#27214
1941 60 Special (6019S)
1949 60 Special (6069X)
1937 Packard Super 8 Convertible Victoria
1910 Oakland Model 24 Runabout

Brad Ipsen CLC #737

Paul,

How about making a paper pattern of your nasty carpet and send that to verify the upholstery shop's pattern.
Brad Ipsen
1940 Cadillac 60S
1938 Cadillac 9039
1940 Cadillac 6267
1940 LaSalle 5227
1949 Cadillac 6237X
1940 Cadillac 60S Limo

Paul Phillips

Thanks Brad.

That is a possibility but this stuff was so saturated with ATF that it is dripping. I visited the local self serve wash earlier today & used their floor mat clamps to hang the carpet. After about 20 minutes of hot high pressure soap spray and a liberal rinsing, I think I got enough ATF rinsed away that either I can pattern it or I can send it off. Waiting on the water to dry out to see what I have now.

Paul
Paul Phillips CLC#27214
1941 60 Special (6019S)
1949 60 Special (6069X)
1937 Packard Super 8 Convertible Victoria
1910 Oakland Model 24 Runabout