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Offline tozerco

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ONE FOR THE OLD FOLK HERE.... 1936, ..37 etc.
« on: November 25, 2018, 09:08:31 PM »
I now have two (2) Fleetwood "Body Tags" for 1936 75 series cars that have, in the space for "TRIM NO.", a stamped/punched entry that starts with the letters "F.O.". Does anyone know what these letters refer to? Can't find any mention of them in the relevant Authenticity Manuals. Note - these plates are from imported Fleetwood cars that are in Australia and the thought has occurred to me that it might refer to "Foreign Order" or some such...

Second question: Both these plates have FOUR (4) numbers immediately following the "F.O." and, referring to the Authenticity Manual, all interior trims seem to have only two (2) numbers. Is it possible that the first two numbers refer to the front of the car and the second two to the rear trim? So you know, one of these plates refers to "TRIM NO. F.O.7633" and the other to "F.O.7413". If my assumption is correct, this last example would suggest (from the Codes in the Authenticity Manual) black leather in the front (seat and door panels) and brown Bedford Cord in the rear. The car is a division window Imperial and this combination, which I have seen several times in division window Imperial cars in the US, would seem to me to make some sense as the front (chauffeur's compartment) was often upholstered in leather so as not to show the wear so much and to let the chauffeur slide in and out of the car more often than the rear seat passengers.

...in the interests of clarifying some more details of the cars produced in the pre-war era!
John Tozer
#7946

'37 7513
'37 7533

Offline Quentin Hall

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Re: ONE FOR THE OLD FOLK HERE.... 1936, ..37 etc.
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2018, 03:46:09 PM »
Good to see you are still around mate, I’ve been thinking about you cos I’ve met two separate Tozers in my travels of late. Ray Tozer is the mechanic on my corner at work.
And then a couple of weeks back I met Bill Tozer who is a 88 year old hot Rodder.
   I was doing some welding for a guy and his name is Coombes. I said my mother’s name is Coombe. I said “hang on you’re a kiwi too”. Turns out from Hastings where my grandparents lost their home in the 31 quake. Sure enough we are related. There were two William Coombe , related. His grandfather added the s to Coombe to become Coombes .
    Not a common name. ....oh and sorry I can’t answer your question. Hope you are well.
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Offline tozerco

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Re: ONE FOR THE OLD FOLK HERE.... 1936, ..37 etc.
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2018, 06:11:17 PM »
Hi Quentin,

Still trying to answer what are probably insoluble questions! Tozers up your way are probably the Yorkshire line. Mine are from the Devon line. eventually we were all English and, before that, Flemish.... but that's a bloody long while ago.
John Tozer
#7946

'37 7513
'37 7533

Offline harry s

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Re: ONE FOR THE OLD FOLK HERE.... 1936, ..37 etc.
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2018, 08:50:01 PM »
A number of years ago there was a discussion here on the forum about SO being special order and FO being factory order. I don't recall if it was definitive or a consensus was reached. The number following either of those letters, I'm pretty sure are the actual order numbers. My'37 has SO followed by four digits on the firewall plate. When I got the build sheet the four digits on it matched the firewall numbers. There was no information regarding the color or interior on the firewall plate. Hope this helps.      Harry
Harry Scott 4195
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Offline tozerco

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Re: ONE FOR THE OLD FOLK HERE.... 1936, ..37 etc.
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2018, 09:39:26 PM »
Thanks Harry,

That's informative and sounds about right!
John Tozer
#7946

'37 7513
'37 7533

Offline tozerco

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Re: ONE FOR THE OLD FOLK HERE.... 1936, ..37 etc.
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2018, 09:50:04 PM »
Hi Harry,

Clicked a bit early on that one.

Nice to know about that Order Number because, out here, I have yet to see a 1936 with the original engine in it so it isn't really possible to get the Build Sheets without stripping the body/chassis down to get the chassis number and working off that to "extrapolate" what the engine number might have been. I didn't do that with my '36 75 series parts car before I sold the chassis to a fellow who used it on a stretch limo.

All the '36 and '37 (and most later) cars that I have seen here have replacement engines in them (mostly 3F.... series motors) because these engines came here in their hundreds during WW2 and were sold off for peanuts after the War. Anecdotally, two (2) flatheads still packed in that waxy stuff and on an "A" frame could be had for $200 back then. They still turn up now and again... mostly having done service as water pump motors in the irrigation areas of Australia or as electrical generator motors for movie theatres in the more remote areas. I can think of only one original 1936 engine and I never actually got to see it.
John Tozer
#7946

'37 7513
'37 7533

Offline Steve Passmore

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Re: ONE FOR THE OLD FOLK HERE.... 1936, ..37 etc.
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2018, 05:06:09 AM »
I had a 36 engine here a while back. Very strange beast and one year only. Very few 38 through 48 flathead parts will fit so its easy to see why they were swapped out for a later engine with so many around at the time.
Steve

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