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Offline 60eldo

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1960 Transmission
« on: December 29, 2019, 01:19:16 PM »
  Wondering if the VIN# of the car is stamped somewhere on the trans
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Offline Dave Shepherd

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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2019, 04:55:57 PM »
Might be, my friends 60 Vette was stamped, but Chevrolet did not start til partway into the 60 model year , say around December  59.

Offline The Tassie Devil(le)

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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2019, 05:26:12 PM »
The 1959 Shop Manual only shows where the Unit Number was stamped on a plate, and then attached to the Transmission.

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Offline 60eldo

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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2019, 05:30:36 PM »
  Yes, I saw that but no VIN # anywhere
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Offline wbdeford

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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2019, 07:12:02 PM »
Page 1-3 of the 1960 Shop Manual Supplement, upper left corner, describes where the serial number is placed.  The transmission is not mentioned.
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Offline savemy67

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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2019, 07:25:24 PM »
Hello Jon,

I have several years manuals' transmission sections, and none of them mention that the vehicle identification is inscribed on the transmission.  I also have 11 transmissions, '41 through '67, and nowhere have I seen any number other than the transmission serial number on them.

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Offline 60eldo

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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2019, 07:42:47 PM »
   So, if GM never did put a VIN# on the trans,we could asume that a matching #s car of the 59-60 would be a VIN#on the frame and the engine ONLY, cause I know other cars ford, Chrysler put the VIN# on dash, engine, frame, trans, and dif.
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Offline The Tassie Devil(le)

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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2019, 07:44:57 PM »
Page 1-3 of the 1960 Shop Manual Supplement, upper left corner, describes where the serial number is placed.  The transmission is not mentioned.
The 1960 Shop Manual Supplement shows the Transmission Unit Number location on page 1-2, 3rd picture down on the left of the page.

Bruce. >:D
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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2019, 07:49:49 PM »
  We are looking for the VIN#
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Offline The Tassie Devil(le)

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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2019, 07:52:42 PM »
Yes, I realise that, but as has been said, No VIN Number as such, as There is no VIN Number, as we know it, until around the late '60's.

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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2019, 07:57:14 PM »
    OK, great, so a 59-60 cadillac if its a matching #s car, the VIN is stamped on the frame and engine only,,,,thats it
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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2019, 08:06:45 PM »
    OK, great, so a 59-60 cadillac if its a matching #s car, the VIN is stamped on the frame and engine only,,,,thats it

And on the driver's door where the last oil change date is normally noted.
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Offline The Tassie Devil(le)

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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2019, 08:10:56 PM »
Don't forget the Body Number which is on the plastic lubrication plate that is screwed to the left rear door opening upright, below the door locking plate.

Back in those days, the only numbers that were recognised as legal were the Chassis Number and Engine Number.

But, don't forget the aluminium plate on the cowl.

Bruce. >:D

PS.   That is why so many cars can get easily cloned.
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1935 Ford 3 Window Coupe
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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2019, 08:55:34 PM »
   I have a trans in my garage its on a 60 engine reads   C-62  17518  Im thinking this is a 1962 trans, would the trans from 60-62 be the same?
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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2019, 03:19:33 AM »
There were few changes between 1960 and 1962. A study of the parts book could help, but I have not the time to do that.
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Offline The Tassie Devil(le)

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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2019, 06:26:53 AM »
I do know that when I installed a 1961 engine in my '60 CDV, using the '60 Transmission, I had to use the '61 Starter Motor, and the Starter Motor Guide Plate as the sump for the '61 was 1" shallower than the '60.

I couldn't fit the '60 Starter and mounting plate, which meant that I had to separate the engine from the trans one more time.   I was lucky that I had both sets of accessories.

It looked like the '61 and later vehicles had less ground clearance than the '60 and earlier cars.

Bruce. >:D
'72 Eldorado Convertible (LHD)
'70 Ranchero Squire (RHD)
'74 Chris Craft Gull Wing (SH)
'02 VX Series II Holden Commodore SS Sedan
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Past Cars of significance - to me
1935 Ford 3 Window Coupe
1936 Ford 5 Window Coupe
1937 Chevrolet Sports Coupe
1955 Chevrolet Convertible
1959 Ford Fairlane Ranch Wagon
1960 Cadillac CDV
1972 Cadillac Eldorado Coupe

Offline savemy67

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Re: 1960 Transmission
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2019, 09:35:44 PM »
Hello Jon,

If the number on the frame, on the engine, and on the lubrication sticker on the door pillar match, this would constitute a "numbers matching" car.  The number on your transmission indicates it is a 1962 Hydra-Matic.

My '64 MPL transmission section shows part number 861 9914 for the '60 and '61 transmission case, and part number 862 1710 for the '62, '63, and some '64 models' transmission case.  I don't have a '60 or '62 Hydra-Matic in my closet, so I cannot visualize whatever the difference is between the two part numbers.

You can download the '64 MPL from the Modified Cadillac web site here:

https://www.modifiedcadillac.org/documents/Shop_Manuals_and_Illus_Catalogs/Master%20Parts%20List%20thru%201964/

Were the '60 engine and '62 transmission running together in the same car?  If so, someone had worked out whatever changes were needed.  You may want to keep the parts for this amalgam together.

Respectfully submitted,

Christopher Winter
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