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Offline pepsiii1988

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cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« on: November 19, 2021, 03:12:58 PM »
Hi, I fix my cylinder heads and have found a hole that I do not know if it should be there ? or if it matters that it is there? because right next to it is an original hole that goes out in the same towards to the intake
Jimmy Bergman

Offline Big Fins

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2021, 03:43:49 PM »
I'm wondering if someone butchered that head trying to look into the valley.

No, that should not be there. How about the other side? What does it look like?
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Offline pepsiii1988

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2021, 04:17:05 PM »
the other side has no hole if you mean the other cylinder head? Does it really matter that that hole is there? or does it have to be fixed ?

I live in sweden and here are not many such parts to get hold of here
Jimmy Bergman

Offline pepsiii1988

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2021, 05:25:49 PM »
 And where the hole is, its just a empty space so the hole does not affect to any oil or water channel
Jimmy Bergman

Offline Big Fins

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2021, 09:40:34 AM »
Seeing as where you are, those heads aren't on any street corner. If the engine was running fine, there is no intrusion by that hole into an intake or exhaust side, it breaches no water jacket and doesn't affect the operation, just live with it.

Anyone else see something that I don't?
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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2021, 01:23:51 PM »
Jimmy,
Look at the two pictures. one is a 500 cylinder head and the other (rusty with bigger holes) is a 425 inch motor cylinder head.. Check the casting numbers. The numbers are on the top of the head between the rocker mounting points. Check for the last three (of 7) numbers. They will end with 250, 902, 493, 552, and 423. Let us know what you find.
Greg Surfas
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Offline bcroe

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2021, 02:44:19 PM »
Ha, another attempt to reduce weight, much of that seen in 1977. 
Bruce Roe

Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2021, 05:03:22 PM »
They took almost 100 pounds out of the motor (425). They look like swiss cheese compared to a 5200.
Greg Surfas
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Offline Big Fins

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2021, 05:52:14 AM »
Is 100 pounds worth the integrity of the heads? Maybe in design, but someone really did a hack job on Jimmy's heads.
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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2021, 12:35:36 PM »
John,
Trying to find out which heads he has. if they are 425 heads than thats "normal"
I don't think anyone did that to the head. It looks exactly like the "as cast" holes.
Greg Surfas
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Offline DeVille68

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2021, 04:18:31 PM »
Hello

Those "holes" are the oil return paths to the pan. Check out my two pictures of my heads from my 68 472. They have about 4 of these holes.
Make sure there are no cracks.

Best regards,
Nicolas
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Offline Big Fins

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2021, 06:31:24 AM »
John,
Trying to find out which heads he has. if they are 425 heads than thats "normal"
I don't think anyone did that to the head. It looks exactly like the "as cast" holes.
Greg Surfas

Greg.
Look at the first picture in the thread in the original post. That is a total hack job done by a jigsaw or Sawzall. That surely couldn't be a factory casting hole. Ray Charles could see that.
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1959 Sedan deVille

Offline TJ Hopland

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2021, 08:52:17 AM »
I don't know for sure.  The original pic is pretty small so we can't really get a good look at it.    I remember my 425 looking a lot like Greg's when we can make bigger.   Lots of really broken looking holes all over the place. 
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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2021, 12:41:45 PM »
Still waiting for the OP to get back on casting number. That will answer his question of whether this is "as cast" or damaged.
Greg Surfas
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CLC #15364
66 Coupe deVille (now gone to the UK)
72 Eldo Cpe  (now cruising the sands in Quatar)
73 Coupe deVille
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76 Coupe deVille
79 Coupe de ville with "Paris" (pick up) option and 472 motor
514 inch motor now in '73-

Offline Big Fins

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2021, 06:06:24 PM »
If he ever does, I'm calling a hack job and damaged but still operable.
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Offline pepsiii1988

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2021, 03:34:35 PM »
Sorry for the late answer has worked a lot, I have checked but can not find the casting number?where exactly should it be located?
Jimmy Bergman

Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2021, 08:12:59 PM »
Top center of the cylinder head between the push rods and the top head bolt
Greg Surfas
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CLC #15364
66 Coupe deVille (now gone to the UK)
72 Eldo Cpe  (now cruising the sands in Quatar)
73 Coupe deVille
75 Coupe deElegance
76 Coupe deVille
79 Coupe de ville with "Paris" (pick up) option and 472 motor
514 inch motor now in '73-

Offline TJ Hopland

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2021, 11:03:40 AM »
The numbers are cast in and raised.  Didn't look like your head was that dirty so should be fairly easy to see.   

If we are placing bets I'm betting they are 425's. 
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Offline Big Fins

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2021, 02:14:36 PM »
Eventually we'll find out. I still call the way those holes were made, a hack job. NO factory casting has saw blade over-runs in it.
Current:
1976 Eldorado Convertible in Crystal Blue FireMist with white interior and top.
1969 Fleetwood Brougham in Chalice Gold FireMist with matching interior and top.

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1976 Eldorado Convertible
1972 Fleetwood Brougham
1971 Sedan de Ville
1970 de Ville Convertible
1969 Sedan de Ville
1959 Sedan deVille

Offline pepsiii1988

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Re: cadillac 500 8,2 cylinderheads
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2021, 04:02:03 PM »
Okay I take a look again when they get home from the engine workshop again
Jimmy Bergman

 

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