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Paul

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RARE 1957 ELDORADO FOR SALE ON EBAY???
« on: January 03, 2005, 04:57:09 AM »


I just saw this listing on ebay. The seller claims it is an extremely rare 1957 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham Sans.

The sans, he claims, stands for no fins and is a no fin car manufactured without the fins.

Is this true? I have seen Cadillacs with the fins removed post-production by owners (mostly in the 1970s when fins were not fashionable but flared pants and gold chest chains were - go figure). But I digress.

I have many reference books on Cadillacs and I have never read, seen or heard of the Cadillac Eldorado Sans. I suspect this seller may be misrepresenting this car. Can someone clarify this, and perhaps email the seller to correct his possibly misleading representation?

The car is at:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4516522135&category=6147

Regards to all.

Paul Z



Yann Saunders, CLC #12588

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Re: RARE 1957 ELDORADO FOR SALE ON EBAY???
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2005, 08:22:18 AM »
I dont like sticking my neck out, since ANYTHING is possible.

However, Ive been studying Cadillac history and production since 1955 and NEVER came across any mention of a production Cadillac "Sans" fins (Eldorado or otherwise).  True, Ive seen a few conversions over the years, as well as some factory photos of clay styling bucks prior to the addition of the signature fins.

IMHO, the vendor is trying to "pull the wool".  First thing to ask him for is a copy of the factory build sheet as well as the "SO"  (special order) number, off the body tag.  The ad does not even list a VIN.  Next thing hell tell you is that the "Sans" cars were so special that they did not get a VIN !

Caveat emptor !

Matt Harwood

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Re: RARE 1957 ELDORADO FOR SALE ON EBAY???
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2005, 09:06:52 AM »
Sure looks bizarre without fins, doesnt it?

Werent there some cars that were modified by an Italian coachbuilder that didnt come with fins (or had them removed by the Italians)? Could this be one of those? But if Yann doesnt recognize this car, Im guessing its bogus...
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Johnny

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Re: RARE 1957 ELDORADO FOR SALE ON EBAY???
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2005, 09:57:40 AM »
I remember seeing somewhere a picuture of a 57 finless Eldorado. I also believe it was an aftermarket conversion.  My question is "Why would anyone want it?"  Besides being quite unattractive, why would anyone one to take away the premier styling factor of a 50s Cadillac?

Joe Abernathy #17524

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Not a Brougham
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2005, 09:58:31 AM »

The guy obviously dosent know what hes talking about.  Its not even a Brougham, its a Seville!

Yann Saunders, CLC #12588

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Re: RARE 1957 ELDORADO FOR SALE ON EBAY???
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2005, 10:05:52 AM »
There were no "Italian-modified" jobs that I know of.

With their Cadillac "Starlight" and "Jacqueline" pushmobiles [body on wheels - no engine] Pinin Farina did try their hand at creating what might have been a 1961-62 Eldorado Brougham, but Cadillac didnt buy it.

www.car-nection.com/yann/Dbas_txt/60pfjacq.htm

BTW, Pinin Farina was responsible just for assembling the 1957-58 Broughams in Turin; they had no hand in the actual design.

Yann Saunders, CLC #12588

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Re: RARE 1957 ELDORADO FOR SALE ON EBAY???
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2005, 10:09:46 AM »
You can see a few finless conversions (including an Eldorado Brougham !) on this page of the Cadillac Database:

www.car-nection.com/yann/Dbas_txt/Drm57.htm

Adam Shapiro

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Re: RARE 1957 ELDORADO FOR SALE ON EBAY???
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2005, 11:33:41 AM »
Not very appealing without the girls.  I have seen a local hack version.

Matt V16

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There is a white one just like this in N.J.
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2005, 11:48:51 AM »
  There is a white 57 just like this car in N.J.  I saw the car at a show and it looks so stupid..  The owner told us that the original owner was a woman who always had a Cadillac but could not stand how big the fins on cars were getting so she had them removed by the dealer when the car was new.. I would guess more so just to drive everyone nutty when they saw the car!  Blaaaath!

Doug

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Its another Coupe de Calis?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2005, 11:55:09 AM »
I wish he had better pictures - Id like to study the rear fenders.  I once saw a 64 with an ametur "fin-ectomy" and the car looked off balance and weird, as this one does.  Doug

Doug Browne

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Re: RARE 1957 ELDORADO FOR SALE ON EBAY???
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2005, 12:29:14 PM »
Yann - just wanted to say you really have an amazing database which I have spent hours in front of over the years. This time I ended up looking through the Eldo Broughams. I occasionally see Johns 60 Brougham (#87) at our local car club "cruise in" here in Atlanta. What a treat! Thanks and best regards - Doug

Larry

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Re: RARE 1957 ELDORADO FOR SALE ON EBAY???
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2005, 01:49:37 PM »
The first thing I could think of is if there were 2100 built, you would think at least someone (who is a collector, not a used car salesman) would remember them or have seen some years ago!

mike baillargeon

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There were 2100 Eldo Sevilles built in
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2005, 06:30:03 PM »
1957 not 2100 Eldorado San Broughams or what ever he call it. The eldo looks like a pretty good custom hack job was done to it in the late 60s early 70s.

Paul

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Re: RARE 1957 ELDORADO FOR SALE ON EBAY???
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2005, 11:02:01 PM »


I sent an email to the seller and asked him to clarify.

This is his reply:

"the car has not had finns cut off. the vin. is 576237sdx... I found 3 others like it when I typed in 1957 eldorado sans    ... If you need you can call me 608 7882190   thanks rick"

I reckon the other fin(n?)-less Cadillacs are the ones on Yanns Cadillac database. But are they also genuine, or post-production custom jobs? Yanns database describes these non-finned 57 Eldos and Sevilles sans fins. This does not automatically make the post-production custom cars a new model called the Sans.

Buyer Beware.

Paul Z


Bob CLC#96

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Micky Mouse Mentality
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2005, 11:09:40 PM »
Itthe same old crap. A 59 Cad, take the fins off or put one in the center or leave them on & put one in the center. A 56 Cad, put in dual headlites. Remember those god-awful 36 Auburn tail fins that had to be put on everything possible in the 30,s & 40s? Bob

Richard blomquist

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Re: Micky Mouse Mentality
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2005, 12:31:11 AM »
I am the collector that has the 1957 caddi eldorado on ebay. I cant find the site again, but I printed off pictures of three other cars exactly like the one I have. no one here is trying to deceive anyone. we are trying to find out the truth. I have been in this hobby for thirty five years, and I have never seen one either. I am not trying to pull the wool over anyone s  eyes , and kind of resent the overtones. you can see the type of quality cars in my collection at whiteglovecollection.com.  If you help me get to the bottom of this, I will gladly correct the ads. i have had other people around the country trying to find out anything about my purchase.  we haven t been able to get a lot of additional info., so instead of referring to someone you don t know as having mickey mouse mentality, why don t you cadillac experts see what you can do to help out a fellow collector.  
by the way, it does say brougham on both front fenders.

rick blomquist

Yann Saunders, CLC #12588

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Re: Micky Mouse Mentality
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2005, 05:20:10 AM »
Hi Rick,

I am one of the guys who queried your recent eBay ad.  I am the compiler of "The CadillacDatabase", which I donated to the Cadillac-LaSalle Club in 1999.You kindly replied yesterday and I sent you my own reply this morning.

Here it is, for the benefit of CLC members who have become involved in the discussion.  I hope this clarifies the issue for all concerned.

QUOTE

Hi,

I assume you may have visited my own Web page:

http://www.car-nection.com/yann/Dbas_txt/Drm57.htm

where I have listed about 4-5 of these modified Cadillacs.  These are NOT factory original creations.  All of them were modified subsequently.

There never was something called a "Sans" project at Cadillac. "Sans" is a just foreign (French) word that has been adopted into US usage [like deja vu] as a cute way of saying "without".

You might want to change your eBay item description accordingly.

Best,

Yann Saunders
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kathy blomquist <kathyblomquist@hotmail.com> wrote:
The car is in storage so I cant get the numbers right know.   I typed 1957 eldo sans on the net and got pictures of three others. call me for more imformation 608 7882190   thanks rick



Yann Saunders, CLC #12588

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Re: RARE 1957 ELDORADO FOR SALE ON EBAY???
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2005, 05:35:46 AM »
Its amazing what people pick up from my "Cadillac Database" ...and proceed to DEFORM !

Remember the 1937 V-16 convertible coupe by Hartmann (of Lausanne, Switzerland) ?  Just for fun, I mentioned that the car had been specially ordered by Simon Patino, the South American tin magnate. This (deliberately false) information was seized upon and propagated by the french magazine , "NITRO".

It was picked up, even later, by the Barrett-Jackson folks who deformed it even further.  We learned from them that the Hartmann car was a unique creation by Figoni & Falaschi and that it was built for a msyterious "Betino Tin Magnet" [i.e. Patino, the tin magnate !]

So, folks, dont believe everything you see in writing.  It could be that nutty Yann Saunders gay just testing your credulity !

Johnny

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Yann Saunders Fun?????
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2005, 08:48:41 AM »
Quote from: Yann Saunders, CLC #12588
Its amazing what people pick up from my "Cadillac Database" ...and proceed to DEFORM !

Remember the 1937 V-16 convertible coupe by Hartmann (of Lausanne, Switzerland) ?  Just for fun, I mentioned that the car had been specially ordered by Simon Patino, the South American tin magnate. This (deliberately false) information was seized upon and propagated by the french magazine , "NITRO".

It was picked up, even later, by the Barrett-Jackson folks who deformed it even further.  We learned from them that the Hartmann car was a unique creation by Figoni & Falaschi and that it was built for a msyterious "Betino Tin Magnet" [i.e. Patino, the tin magnate !]

So, folks, dont believe everything you see in writing.  It could be that nutty Yann Saunders gay just testing your credulity !


I have always been impressed and overwhelmed with your Cadillac Data Base.  It has always been my "go to place" for information about Cadillacs.  I seriously question why you would want to have some "fun" by posting "false information".  I have as much of a sense of humor as the next person, but I dont think "having fun" at the expense of lessening your creditablity is a proper thing to do.

Matt Harwood

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Re: Yann Saunders Fun?????
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2005, 09:17:32 AM »
If I read it on teh Intarweb, it must be true...

Duh.

I read a site called fark.com once in a while, and they have Photoshop contests there. Two notable "creations" of the artists there have been propogated all over the Internet as "fact."

The first is a model of a future computer by "scientists" at Rand corporation. In the photo, youll notice that the computer has a steering wheel. The truth is that it is a static display of a submarine control panel manipulated by someone calling himself "Lukket." A lot of people fell for this one. A LOT.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/computer.asp

Heres a second one from the same source (fark.com). This one was created by a guy calling himself "RobDenBleyker:"

http://www.collegehumor.com/?image_id=99039

Beacuse you read it on the Internet, you SHOULD be skeptical. Anybody can say anything...

 

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