$10.00 Reward for Providing Correct Answer for Letter Code "I" (eye) on the 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag.
Please send me a PM and I will send you $10.00 for the correct answer.
The two attached Body Tags appear to be identical with the following accessory letter codes.
(E)-Soft Ray Glass;
(N)-Power Vent Windows (Rear Quarters on Eldorado);
(Y)-Six-Way Power Front Seat;
(S)-Remote Control Trunk Lock;
(M)-Automatic Door Locks;
(K)-Automatic Climate Control;
(I)-Unidentified; and
(B)-Rear Window Defogger.
I've checked the 63 through 70 Data Books and accessory 'Letter Code' "I" (eye) does not appear to be indicated, stated, or addressed, hence no definition/description of the accessory code.
If the 'Letter Code "I" (eye) is not a letter, but rather the number 1 (one), then accessory code number 1 (one) appears to be for the AM-FM Stereo Radio (Includes Two Front and Two Rear Speakers and Power Antenna).
The following 'Letter Codes' have been duplicated in the 67 Data Book:
(B) Contoured Bucket Front Seats with Console (Leather Upholstery Required)
(B) Rear Window Defogger
(F) Front Disc Brakes (Eldorado Only)
(F) Filler Plate (Any idea?)
(J) Twilight Sentinel (Automatic Headlamp Timer)
(J) Rear Center Seat Belt
(L) Level Control, Automatic (Standard on Fleetwood Eldorado)
(L) License Frame (Single)
(Y) Six-Way Power Front Seat (Strato Bench Seat Only)
(Y) Four-Way Power Left Bucket Seat
The following 'Letter Codes' do not appear to have been used in the 67 Data Book:
(G)-CORRECTION "Code G=Controlled Differential (Not on Eldorado)"
(I)
(T)
(X)-CORRECTION "Code X=Windows, Power (Calais Only)"
I am assisting a fellow CLC member with an authentication (unpaid) for an expensive potential purchase of a 67 Fleetwood Eldorado with no luck.
Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
matt CLC #18621
i am 2nd
Yes, I have too much time on my hands with -19, hence the extra time to assist with queries and local Cadillac inspections for fellow CLC members.
It's a wonderful distraction from 30 plus years as a tax/finance professional working within the Fortune 50.
oh, and I fired up the 2001 ETC after 6 plus months of dormancy and it ran like a charm this fine Memorial Day!
Major issue is going from a 2019 Dodge Daytona Scat Pack 392 c.i./485 HP in the SRT track mode to the ETC's excessively sloppy power steering with the standard over-steer, it's dangerous lmffao!
Thanks for your assistance.
matt CLC #18621
i am 2nd
I don't think there has ever been a satisfactory explanation for the letter "I" on a body plate, at least for 1967 through 1970 cars. I have been trying to figure this out for 30-plus years, including trying to figure it out by gathering the body plates of as many of these cars as I encountered in the salvage yards. My 1970 Fleetwood Brougham, with accessory codes EXVSMKIBN, has the same problem.
As a general rule, items such as the Trumpet Horn, Guide Matic, Twilight Sentinel, and Cruise Control (through 1970) were not encoded, because they were considered "chassis options".
Similarly, items such as license frames, license filler, door edge guards, floor mats, spare tire covers, trunk mats, etc., are considered "non-permanent" body options, and were not encoded, so one could cross these off the list.
Charles Fares
The I Code has been used as a variable over the years, and I wouldn't be surprised if the maker was reluctant to use thew Letter I when it could be possibly confused with the Number 1.
So far, this is what I have come up with.
For 1951`, the I was for E-Z-E Glass, and in 1952 E-Z-E Eye Glass changed to E.
Then in 1953, I became Wire Wheels.
in 1955 I became Sabre Wheels and '56 became Sabre Wheels - Chrome, then Sabre Wheels - Gold in 1957.
1958 Chrome Sabre spoke wheels (Std. Eldorado)
In 1970, I showed up again as Rim Blow Horn
In 1972 I became Remote right outside mirror
In 1973, I became Trunk Mat
In 1974, I became Trunk Mat - Rubber
In 1975, through to 1978, I came back to Trunk Mat
Bruce. >:D
Quote from: Matt CLC#18621 on May 26, 2020, 12:43:50 AM
The following 'Letter Codes' do not appear to have been used in the 67 Data Book:
(G)-CORRECTION "Code G=Controlled Differential (Not on Eldorado)"
(I)
(T)
(X)-CORRECTION "Code X=Windows, Power (Calais Only)"
Regards,
matt CLC #18621
i am 2nd
One observation - I don't know whether it holds any significance or not but in the both cases, including the code sequence submitted by Charles Fares, the "I" or "1" appears directly after "K".
Now in the 53-56 cars there were two versions of air conditioning designated "K" or "K2" depending on whether the car had shelf outlets or roof outlets with clear tube ducts.
Therefore I wonder whether the presence of "I" or "1" after "K" signifies some small variant in the air conditioning system... ???
Quote from: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on May 26, 2020, 08:41:28 AM
One observation - I don't know whether it holds any significance or not but in the both cases, including the code sequence submitted by Charles Fares, the "I" or "1" appears directly after "K".
Yes,
Every 67
Fleetwood Eldorado body tag that I have reviewed, and that has contained multiple accessory letter codes,
including the accessory letter code "K" - Automatic Climate Control, the accessory letter code "I" (eye) has always appeared after the accessory letter code "K."
I believe someone published that ~ 97% of 67
Fleetwood Eldorado's were equipped with "K" - Automatic Climate Control.
Best regards and thank you for your assistance, it is greatly appreciated.
matt CLC# 18621
i am 2nd
Quote from: Matt CLC#18621 on May 26, 2020, 11:16:52 AM
Every 67 Fleetwood Eldorado body tag that I have reviewed, and that has contained multiple accessory letter codes, including the accessory letter code "K" - Automatic Climate Control, the accessory letter code "I" (eye) has always appeared after the accessory letter code "K."
The only problem with that theory is that Charles reports the "I" or "1" present on a Fleetwood Brougham also.
Again, just a hypothesis that it may signify two different A/C systems - perhaps one for high altitude, different carburetors or some other optional item that affected the type of A/C system installed - that is, if indeed the I/1 is related to the A/C.
The "I" after "K" (alphabet wise) is not a lead as the option codes are not in any kind of alphabet sequence.
I can't help but think given the history of "I" changing through the years it was some kind of "new" option that was just introduced or did not have a letter assigned at that time? In the history of the "I" above, were these the first years that option was offered?
Other thought is that "I" was a placeholder for a whole host of options and that to keep it simple they just put an "I" and the line had to read the build sheet for the correct Sabre wheel type or mat type. I could imagine 26 letters getting used up pretty quickly with a Cadillac.
One of the regions made a listing of all the codes, by year. I posted a link a year or so back. I don't know if this one is on there or not but don't reinvent the wheel, if unnecessary.
Another way to go about this, is request the build sheet from GM Heritage Center. Pay the $50, give them the VIN, and they send you a copy and it'll have all the options and codes on it. So you can cross check/compare. Many have incorrectly identified, so a cross check can't hurt. Some guy's job was to punch out those metal tags, so he'd be a good one to ask.
In my mind, it really makes no difference to the car. Just to the tag reading gurus who are kind of like mystics, Carnac the magnificent style. Unless, you're trying to save $40?
Quote from: Matt CLC#18621 on May 26, 2020, 12:43:50 AM
If the 'Letter Code "I" (eye) is not a letter, but rather the number 1 (one), then accessory code number 1 (one) appears to be for the AM-FM Stereo Radio (Includes Two Front and Two Rear Speakers and Power Antenna).
I always thought this was the correct answer:
(1) AM-FM Stereo Radio ($288)
(Includes Two Front and Two Rear Speakers and Power Antenna)
Maybe the assembly line didn't want to add a "1" to the factory options line, so the just used the "I" instead as it looked like a 1, no sense retooling the punching of the plate, used for years. Sometime through the years a "1" became an option and someone said..."Just use the I, it looks like a one" :)
Chuck
(1) RADIO, AM-FM STEREO (Not on "75")
(2) RADIO, AM-FM
(3) RADIO, AM
(4) RADIO, AM REAR CONTROL ("75" Only)
(5) Stereo Tape System (Includes Two Front and Two Rear Speakers; Radio Required)
Regards,
matt CLC #18621
i am 2nd
Please Share your 67 Fleetwood Eldorado's Build Sheet-Thank You Very Much!!
Capital idea!!!
Could someone with a 67
Fleetwood Eldorado please share their 67
Fleetwood Eldorado's build sheet?
thank you very much.
matt CLC#18621
i am 2nd
(
NB: I no longer own my 67
Fleetwood Eldorado.)
Quote from: fishnjim on May 26, 2020, 05:16:58 PM
One of the regions made a listing of all the codes, by year. I posted a link a year or so back. I don't know if this one is on there or not but don't reinvent the wheel, if unnecessary.
Another way to go about this, is request the build sheet from GM Heritage Center. Pay the $50, give them the VIN, and they send you a copy and it'll have all the options and codes on it. So you can cross check/compare. Many have incorrectly identified, so a cross check can't hurt. Some guy's job was to punch out those metal tags, so he'd be a good one to ask.
In my mind, it really makes no difference to the car. Just to the tag reading gurus who are kind of like mystics, Carnac the magnificent style. Unless, you're trying to save $40?
Guys,
Here's data plate I got in a self serve yards years ago. You notice that it has NO I. I already sent my guess to Matt some days ago as he asked. I have a # of data plates. It a real shame that 68 & 69 cars didn't have any codes on their plates. It eliminates lots of plates from the comparison pool. But... I think there's enough to draw a conclusion. I'm eager for Matt to post my guess.
Bob
All I want to know is whether there are any tags with "I" or "1" that do not contain the code "K" so the air conditioning theory could be eliminated.
My '67 Eldo has the "K" but no "1" or "I" and it has the full stereo setup as well as air conditioning. It is a California car.
Could "I" indicate an unusual "delete"? For example, it was possible to delete auto-leveling. How was that indicated (if it was indicated at all)?
While I have no answers, I would note, and am surprised no one else has, that on the first body tag in the original post one finds the numeral "1" used. It is different from the "l" following the K appearing on that tag.
I would find it more than highly unlikely that either GM or Cadillac would use two different styles of number one on any body tag?
Someone with a 67 Fleetwood Brougham body tag told me the I stands for am/fm radio.
I believe the number 1 through 5 is for the different radio options.
Regards,
matt CLC #18621
i am 2nd
Quote from: Matt CLC#18621 on June 03, 2020, 10:59:34 PM
Someone with a 67 Fleetwood Brougham body tag told me the I stands for am/fm radio.
I believe the number 1 through 5 is for the different radio options.
Regards,
matt CLC #18621
i am 2nd
No. Not on the body plates. On the WARRANTY PLATES, the radios were encoded numerically, a through 5. 1967 and 1968 used a strip of metal pasted to the rear cover of the warranty booklet with Addressograph type, which then became a metal plate with clear Dymo label-maker tape in reverse, with blue GM logos. Late 1968 and all 1969 and 1970 used a plastic warranty card with raised letters, which was run through a charge-a-plate, like credit cards were back in the old days.
Charles Fares
I'll take that $10 reward.
You're looking in the wrong place for that code. It's not in the data books, it's a sales code for an option group.
It's on the window stickers.
Here are three examples of 1967 window stickers. 2 with code 1 for the stereo, one with code 2 for just AM-FM.
Code 1 is for option group one with a STEREO RADIO (AM-FM)
Code 2 is for option group two with a RADIO (AM-FM)
So its not a radio code, but indicates an option group.
And because it's a sales thing, it is indicated on the window sticker with the group number next to the radio to indicated which group the car has.
I'll take Paypal or cash :)
Sorry not the answer.
Quote from: 67_Eldo on May 28, 2020, 06:18:44 PM
My '67 Eldo has the "K" but no "1" or "I" and it has the full stereo setup as well as air conditioning. It is a California car.
Radio options don't appear on cowl tag.
Quote from: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on June 04, 2020, 02:06:30 PM
Sorry not the answer.
Radio options don't appear on cowl tag.
It's not a radio option, but the Group code. Each group number varies by the radio type.
The tags without the number are cars where the radio was ordered individually because the car didn't have a group selected. And because radio codes don't show up on a tag, you can have a car with a radio but not a number. You can order a car without a group code selected.
So far only cars equipped with air "K" have "1" or "I". (Probably 1)
In 50s they had "K" and "K2" depending on A/C style.
My submission is something A/C related unless a "1"/"I" tag w/o "K" is found.
Quote from: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on June 04, 2020, 02:15:23 PM
So far only cars equipped with air "K" have "1" or "I". (Probably 1)
In 50s they had "K" and "K2" depending on A/C style.
My submission is something A/C related unless a "1"/"I" tag w/o "K" is found.
BINGO! You got it. Since all the groups included climate control, if you didn't want A/C you would not select a group number. So a non A/C tag would not have a K or number in 67.
So here is the tag for a 67 Limo.
Climate control was standard in the limo so no letter K. But it has group 4 which is limo only.
Quote from: D.Smith on June 04, 2020, 02:18:28 PM
BINGO! You got it. Since all the groups included climate control, if you didn't want A/C you would not select a group number. So a non A/C tag would not have a K or number in 67.
But why would there be tags with "K1"?
I always thought the “l†in the accessory codes referred to the radio. The numbers “1†through “5â€are used from 1966 through 1976 to denote the sales code of the style radio selected with “1†being the premium and the higher numbers denoting sequentially less features. However that does explain why the data plate contains both the characters “1†and “l’. The “1†is in the numerical entries and “l†in accessories. Why the change in font if they both represent the number “oneâ€?
For the record the sales codes for radios are :
1965: R1 & R2
1966: 1 through 3
1967: 1 through 3
1970: 1 through 4
1972: 1 through 4
1974: 1 through 3 & 4
1976: 1 through 3 & 5
1977: A1 through A6
I’m providing this as information only, not to snipe Dave’s claim on the $10. We may have to ultimately wait for someone to discover a GM data plate Rosetta Stone to know for sure
Quote from: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on June 04, 2020, 02:29:47 PM
But why would there be tags with "K1"?
Or why wouldn't there be a "1" on my tag?
I've attached a photo of my body tag along with the sales group sheet for 1967. My car has all of the Group 1 options. Yet I rate only a "K."
I also have an "N" (power vent windows) and no "V" (even though it was first sold in CA and had a complete A.I.R. system) or "L" (auto-leveling) or "F" (disc brakes).
Because you don't have to order options by group. You can go right down the list and pick them out individually.
The groups just make it easier.
Quote from: 67_Eldo on June 04, 2020, 02:40:27 PM
Or why wouldn't there be a "1" on my tag?
There are "K" tags with and w/o "1" but so far have been none having "1" without "K"
Guys. It's for the optional axle ratio on a/c cars. I'll see if I can remember where I found that when I get back to my office computer in the morning.
Quote from: Dan LeBlanc on June 04, 2020, 04:42:51 PM
Guys. It's for the optional axle ratio on a/c cars. I'll see if I can remember where I found that when I get back to my office computer in the morning.
I think we have a winner.
Here you go.
1965 and 1966 used code 1. The data book for 67 shows it as code R which was also used for recliners with headrest. To save confusion, it was likely revised back to 1 to distinguish between recliner and 3.21 rear axle after printing.
Quote from: Dan LeBlanc on June 04, 2020, 05:37:36 PM
Here you go.
1965 and 1966 used code 1. The data book for 67 shows it as code R which was also used for recliners with headrest. To save confusion, it was likely revised back to 1 to distinguish between recliner and 3.21 rear axle after printing.
Well we still have a problem since 1 was for optional ratio on non-air cars only, acc to the book while we have at least two accounts of tags with "K1" and of course those with "K" only but so far none containing "1"
without the "K"! Where's that Rosetta Stone... :-\
The 1967 book essentially claims that codes used in other model years may not be consistent with codes used in 1967.
Gentlemen,
There was discussion here a while ago related to what options are shown on the data plate. The conclusion was that the data plate contains only those accessories associated with the body, not the chassis. It also does not show features that are standard for the model in question. Therefore no mention of the axle ratio, disc brakes, crank case ventilation as they are chassis items.
Gentlemen,
I found it !!! On page 237 of Cadillac of the Sixties there is an example of how to read the data plate. The illustration shows options of EXNYSMK I BA. There is a note that identifies the letters as â€Regular Cadillac equipment codes except â€I†(eye) is used instead of 1†(one).
So “I†(eye) is the summary of group 1 (one) option package?
Matt
I’m fairly confident that the “I†is a one identifying the radio because EXYK are parts of Group 1 accessories.. Additionally the letter “I†(eye) is only ever used for the ‘72 Right side mirror and ’73 through “76 Trunk mat.
Dang! I love that book. I can't believe I never noticed that before!
C'mon fellas,
I said that a long time ago, and listed all the references to the Letter I, and what it refered to. It was a changing option code.
Don't give the money away just yet.
Bruce. >:D
Ralph,
NO 70's had rim blow horns. This discussion is limited to 1966 to 1970 cars.
Bob
Quote from: Bob Hoffmann CLC#96 on June 04, 2020, 09:51:36 PM
Ralph,
NO 70's had rim blow horns. This discussion is limited to 1966 to 1970 cars.
Bob
Bob is correct. NO 1970 model Cadillac had a rim-blow horn, and it was not available as an option. The "myth" of the 1970 rim-blow has been perpetuated in one of the CLC databases, and it is clearly in error. Additional fact: Cadillac was known for "listening" to its customers, and the 1969 rim-blow was so disliked that it was eliminated for 1970.
-Charles
Corrected
I have a rim-blow steering wheel on my other car, and I forget that it is there at times. ;)
Bruce. >:D