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Title: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Bryan J Moran on December 05, 2022, 02:40:18 PM
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/573842567816647/?hoisted=false&ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A23cc90d3-04de-4430-bda7-4dedd1301faf

Not a dealer located vehicle

No way on the price, not even sure it's an Eldorado, but is there any way that interior could be SO?
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Mike Baillargeon #15848 on December 05, 2022, 05:14:58 PM
Looks like a legit 66 Eldorado.....interior looks Eldorado also....

If I had to guess the interior is #489 Vermillion Leather...

I like the color combination on this car....I'd like it better at $25,000

Mike
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on December 05, 2022, 07:07:12 PM
Based on the pics, it has all the appropriate Eldorado bits and pieces. The interior is Antique Saddle leather which was a standard color offering. However, the pleated sections appear to be smooth rather than the standard perforated leather. The substitution of smooth leather was an available option when ordering; but I don't know whether it was treated as SO.
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: V63 on December 05, 2022, 10:30:16 PM
Seems light on options?
No tilt/telescope or headlight options.
Does have stereo however.
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Scott Nellis on December 06, 2022, 01:13:04 AM
   The photo of the crusty trunk tells a bit of a tale, possibly even crustier under the hood. This may be the reason there is no photo of the engine compartment. As was mentioned, it seems like it is overpriced.
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Matti R on December 06, 2022, 03:45:54 AM
Interior very similar to this 66 Eldo
https://www.nettiauto.com/cadillac/eldorado/13068146
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Mike Baillargeon #15848 on December 06, 2022, 07:44:23 AM
Quote from: Scott Nellis on December 06, 2022, 01:13:04 AMThe photo of the crusty trunk tells a bit of a tale, possibly even crustier under the hood. This may be the reason there is no photo of the engine compartment. As was mentioned, it seems like it is overpriced.

I'm with you there Scott....the license plate is from 1975...47 years ago....I think this one is a real barn find...

Mike
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on December 06, 2022, 08:06:54 AM
Substitution of smooth leather would have been special order.

Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Bryan J Moran on December 06, 2022, 08:51:45 AM
All I can say is that is the oddest looking original leather "color" I have ever seen.  It looks like a puffy dark cowboy saddle - color and texture. Of course some of that might be the angle of the photo of the front seat, which has a bit of fade.  I think it is awesome, but in the mid century modernism of 1966, it appears to be a throwback to an earlier time.

That is why I suspected it was a replacement interior or SO. 

Typical of the new Facebook marketplace, which is FREE, many sellers will throw prices up that are too high.  I have no idea what the right price is.  1966 Cadillac is one of my common searches on Facebook marketplace, as it's becoming my favorite Cadillac year.

I am sure 1966 Eldorado prices for truly nice cars are $35,000 to $60,000, but this one needs sorted.   It's local, if anyone wants me to go see it.   
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Mike Baillargeon #15848 on December 06, 2022, 05:11:34 PM
I asked the seller to shoot me some more pictures of the car.....I told him I needed the body ID tag and the motor....bonus pictures were of the chassis of the car....the floors look better than I was expecting....

The SO staples are on the body ID tag and no code for the interior....so there is something up with that interior....is it the lack of those perforated holes in the leather?

Ralph are you sure it's Antique Saddle Leather?....because the Vermillion Leather was an Eldorado interior leather....

I really do like the patina & color of this interior !

Mike
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Mike Baillargeon #15848 on December 06, 2022, 05:18:56 PM
Interior Pictures....

Mike
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Bryan J Moran on December 13, 2022, 12:09:34 PM
*********************  SOLD  ***********************************

Mike?  Did you buy it? 

Was interesting how quickly it sold. 
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Mike Baillargeon #15848 on December 13, 2022, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Bryan J Moran on December 13, 2022, 12:09:34 PM*********************  SOLD  ***********************************

Mike?  Did you buy it? 

Was interesting how quickly it sold. 

Bryan, if I had the room, this one I would have bought.....Car needed some attention but, It looks like it would have been a fun one....It surely can be a looker.

I hope somebody here in the club scooped it up...

Mike
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on December 13, 2022, 12:40:08 PM
Nonperforated leather is the SO.
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Mike Baillargeon #15848 on December 13, 2022, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on December 13, 2022, 12:40:08 PMNonperforated leather is the SO.

Eric, why would somebody order non-perforated leather?

Mike
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on December 13, 2022, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: Mike Baillargeon #15848 on December 13, 2022, 12:42:51 PMEric, why would somebody order non-perforated leather?

Preference. I once owned a 1964 CdV that was ordered exactly the same way- red smooth leather. Trim code was "00".
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on December 13, 2022, 01:05:18 PM
1964 CdV w/27,000 miles. SO smooth leather. 1964 Smooth Leather.jpeg   
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on December 13, 2022, 01:12:38 PM
Mike,

We can't be certain unless we tested the upholstery selector book samples against the actual car. Absent that, comparing my book samples to the pics, I believe it's Antique Saddle. Another tell is the color of the carpet and dash which are brownish, not red. The Antique Saddle leather is a slightly reddish brown with a blotchy color finish that was advertised as a distinguishing feature. The red leather has a uniform color finish. The SO designation tends to support Eric's comment that smooth , rather than perforated leather, was treated as an SO.

 My last Eldorado was a bit worse than this one but a southwest car with no rust......A sun baked car can have as many, but different, problems as a salt belt car. The seller and I both thought it had 134M well-worn miles and closed the deal at half the asking price of this car. When I disassembled it and did a bit if investigation, I found the engine had been completely rebuilt about 10M early.....Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut. :)
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: James Landi on December 13, 2022, 06:01:52 PM
It's SOLD
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Bryan J Moran on December 14, 2022, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: Ralph Messina CLC 4937 on December 13, 2022, 01:12:38 PMMike,

The Antique Saddle leather is a slightly reddish brown with a blotchy color finish that was advertised as a distinguishing feature.

That is certainly what caught my eye was that western saddle look of that leather. 
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: J. Skelly on December 14, 2022, 12:46:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Baillargeon #15848 on December 13, 2022, 12:42:51 PMEric, why would somebody order non-perforated leather?

Mike

It's easier to clean without the perforations.  Otherwise the leather cleaner or conditioner can get in the perforations.  My Monte Carlo had it and I would have preferred smooth leather.
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Mike Baillargeon #15848 on December 14, 2022, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: J. Skelly on December 14, 2022, 12:46:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Baillargeon #15848 on December 13, 2022, 12:42:51 PMEric, why would somebody order non-perforated leather?

Mike

It's easier to clean without the perforations.  Otherwise the leather cleaner or conditioner can get in the perforations.  My Monte Carlo had it and I would have preferred smooth leather.

Yes....That makes sense....Thanks

Mike
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on December 15, 2022, 08:52:07 AM
Doesn't preference make sense?

The '64 I purchased from a prominent CLC member who bought and sold a lot of vintage Cadillacs. He told me that when it came to selling 63/64 Cadillacs with leather, he found a number of buyers of who said they preferred the '63 model, specifically citing the smooth leather used that year which they preferred to the perforated leather used in '64.

While perforating the leather certainly compromises the durability of the material to some extent, I seriously doubt anyone who special ordered smooth leather on a brand new car did so for those considerations. The chose it because they thought it looked more attractive which is my personal opinion as well. 
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: badpoints on December 15, 2022, 10:40:50 AM
I have smooth leather and my trim tag looks the same.
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on December 15, 2022, 10:49:06 AM
Quote from: badpoints on December 15, 2022, 10:40:50 AMI have smooth leather and my trim tag looks the same.

If that's an original seat, the two tone combination was another part of the SO in addition to the smooth leather.
Title: Re: 1966 Eldorado with SO Interior(maybe)
Post by: Bryan J Moran on December 22, 2022, 12:42:02 PM
I just received mt eBay purchased base 1966 Cadillac brochure (16 pgs) and it was interesting reading.  Is there a more comprehensive dealership catalog or brochure I should be looking for? 

I have 2 1966 Coupe de Villes saved on Facebook marketplace, one is gold with a light tan perforated leather interior.  The other is black with black fabric interior. 

On page 7 of the 16 pg brochure which covers CdV the top photo is of the antique saddle leather option. That same photo describes the leather in one of the Cdv's I am viewing as 'gold.'