Author Topic: $10.00 Reward for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag  (Read 1625 times)

Offline Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2020, 02:06:30 PM »
Sorry not the answer.

My '67 Eldo has the "K" but no "1" or "I" and it has the full stereo setup as well as air conditioning. It is a California car.

Radio options don't appear on cowl tag.
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Offline D.Smith

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2020, 02:07:13 PM »
Sorry not the answer.

Radio options don't appear on cowl tag.

It's not a radio option, but the Group code.  Each group number varies by the radio type.

The tags without the number are cars where the radio was ordered individually because the car didn't have a group selected.   And because radio codes don't show up on a tag, you can have a car with a radio but not a number.    You can order a car without a group code selected.     
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Offline Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2020, 02:15:23 PM »
So far only cars equipped with air "K" have "1" or "I". (Probably 1)

In 50s they had "K" and "K2" depending on A/C style.

My submission is something A/C related unless a "1"/"I" tag w/o "K" is found.
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Offline D.Smith

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2020, 02:18:28 PM »
So far only cars equipped with air "K" have "1" or "I". (Probably 1)

In 50s they had "K" and "K2" depending on A/C style.

My submission is something A/C related unless a "1"/"I" tag w/o "K" is found.

BINGO!    You got it.   Since all the groups included climate control, if you didn't want A/C you would not select a group number.      So a non A/C tag would not have a K or number in 67. 

Offline D.Smith

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2020, 02:23:47 PM »
So here is the tag for a 67 Limo.

Climate control was standard in the limo so no letter K.    But it has group 4 which is limo only.

Offline Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2020, 02:29:47 PM »
BINGO!    You got it.   Since all the groups included climate control, if you didn't want A/C you would not select a group number.      So a non A/C tag would not have a K or number in 67.

But why would there be tags with "K1"?
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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2020, 02:36:42 PM »
 I always thought the “l” in the accessory codes referred to the radio. The numbers “1” through “5”are used from 1966 through 1976 to denote the sales code of the style radio selected with “1” being the premium and the higher numbers denoting sequentially less features. However that does explain why the data plate contains both the characters “1” and “l’. The “1” is in the numerical entries  and “l” in accessories. Why the change in font if they both represent the number “one”?

For the record the sales codes for radios are :

1965: R1 & R2
1966: 1 through 3
1967: 1 through 3
1970: 1 through 4
1972: 1 through 4
1974: 1 through 3 & 4
1976: 1 through 3 & 5
1977: A1 through A6 

I’m providing this as information only, not to snipe Dave’s claim on the $10. We may have to ultimately wait for someone to discover a GM data plate Rosetta Stone to know for sure

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Offline 67_Eldo

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2020, 02:40:27 PM »
But why would there be tags with "K1"?
Or why wouldn't there be a "1" on my tag?

I've attached a photo of my body tag along with the sales group sheet for 1967. My car has all of the Group 1 options. Yet I rate only a "K."
I also have an "N" (power vent windows) and no "V" (even though it was first sold in CA and had a complete A.I.R. system) or "L" (auto-leveling) or "F" (disc brakes).
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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2020, 02:53:48 PM »
Because you don't have to order options by group.    You can go right down the list and pick them out individually.

The groups just make it easier.   

Offline Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2020, 02:55:02 PM »
Or why wouldn't there be a "1" on my tag?

There are "K" tags with and w/o "1" but so far have been none having "1" without "K"
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Offline Dan LeBlanc

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2020, 04:42:51 PM »
Guys. It's for the optional axle ratio on a/c cars. I'll see if I can remember where I found that when I get back to my office computer in the morning.
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Offline Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2020, 04:58:24 PM »
Guys. It's for the optional axle ratio on a/c cars. I'll see if I can remember where I found that when I get back to my office computer in the morning.

I think we have a winner.
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Offline Dan LeBlanc

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2020, 05:37:36 PM »
Here you go.

1965 and 1966 used code 1.  The data book for 67 shows it as code R which was also used for recliners with headrest. To save confusion, it was likely revised back to 1 to distinguish between recliner and 3.21 rear axle after printing.
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Offline Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2020, 05:48:52 PM »
Here you go.

1965 and 1966 used code 1.  The data book for 67 shows it as code R which was also used for recliners with headrest. To save confusion, it was likely revised back to 1 to distinguish between recliner and 3.21 rear axle after printing.

Well we still have a problem since 1 was for optional ratio on non-air cars only, acc to the book while we have at least two accounts of tags with "K1" and of course those with "K" only but so far none containing "1" without the "K"!  Where's that Rosetta Stone... :-\
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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2020, 06:11:21 PM »
The 1967 book essentially claims that codes used in other model years may not be consistent with codes used in 1967.

Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2020, 06:49:59 PM »
Gentlemen,

There was discussion here a while ago related to what options are shown on the data plate. The conclusion was that the data plate contains only those accessories associated with the body, not the chassis. It also does not show features that are  standard for the model in question. Therefore no mention of the axle ratio,  disc brakes, crank case ventilation as they are chassis items.

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2020, 07:02:20 PM »
Gentlemen,

I found it !!! On page 237 of Cadillac of the Sixties there is an example of how to read the data plate. The illustration shows options of EXNYSMK I BA.  There is a note that identifies the letters as ”Regular Cadillac equipment codes except ”I” (eye) is used instead of 1” (one).
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Offline Matt CLC#18621

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2020, 07:30:11 PM »
So “I” (eye) is the summary of group 1 (one) option package?

Matt

Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2020, 07:52:15 PM »
I’m fairly confident that the “I” is a one identifying the radio because EXYK are parts of Group 1 accessories.. Additionally the letter  “I”  (eye)  is only ever used for the ‘72 Right side mirror and  ’73 through  “76 Trunk mat.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2020, 04:35:45 PM by Ralph Messina CLC 4937 »
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Offline D.Smith

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Re: $10.00 Reward for for Code I (eye) on 67 Fleetwood Eldorado Body Tag
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2020, 08:34:54 PM »
Dang!    I love that book.   I can't believe I never noticed that before!

 

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